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An interesting discussion broke on on Twitter today when it came out that Baja Sol's CEO is also the chair of the Republican Party in Minneapolis, prompting some to decide not to eat there (summary and links to the conversation courtesy of Heavy Table). DeRusha opens the discussion on his blog, asking "Would you punish a company by taking your business elsewhere, because you dislike the politics of the CEO?"

51 Reader Comments

Max Sparber  url02:46pm
Jul 2

I also participated in this discussion, so some of the Heavy Table links might be comments from me.

cjc  url02:53pm
Jul 2

I prefer to spend my money at places who treat their employees well, aren't scared of unions, etc. It's impossible to completely avoid giving Republicans money, but I do my best. In a case like this, I'd rather not know the politics behind the food. Ignorance is bliss.

Rat02:57pm
Jul 2

All they owe me is a good meal and service in exchange for my money.

noodleman  url03:00pm
Jul 2

Being a party chair, to me, is different than being politically-committed like Tom Monaghan, the uber-pro-life CEO of Domino's. It's less about ideology than it about organization. So far as I know, the Republican party is a legal entity that is entitled to play the game just like any other political party.

I'm not sure, though, if we need to start "punishing" people for their political views. Why even think of doing that in the first place? Isn't that what politics is all about -- especially in a democracy? Is Chipotle any less "Republican" than Baja Sol? Does buying from Baja Sol turn you into a Republican?

s4xton  url03:08pm
Jul 2

What I said over at WCCO: the main bit on my original Tweet is that we're talking about not just any random Republican, it's party chairman Tony Sutton who, despite 12 of the highest judges in the land with zero judges dissenting saying otherwise, will still tell the media that our system "robbed" the election. It's that kind of attitude and rhetoric that I think is damaging. I still continue to support the food industry, dining out and working people.

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Dougie_D03:09pm
Jul 2

I guess if I had the choice and the proper knowledge of what my alternatives were I would consider factoring in the Political stance of the CEO but since there is basically no way I would know if they alternate choice is worse I don't factor those things in when picking a dining establishment.

You never know maybe the CEO of Pancheros is the leader of your local John Birch Society or Pentecostal.

ryanol (not verified)03:16pm
Jul 2

Baja Sol sucks so I don't have to make a call on this one.

Dougie_D03:23pm
Jul 2

Dude you can eat all the chips and salsa you want and stick it to the republican man! That said the burritos are 3rd rate. I prefer Taco Bell! The new Chicken Burrito with avocado ranch sauce is dreamy!

kurtis  url03:28pm
Jul 2

I know the wife of the original owner -- she's my realtor. Nice lady. Don't know her politics, and don't care. I'm willing to cut people the same slack I'd want them to cut me. Do I want Republican parents forbidding their children to read my books because I voted for Obama? Would I think that was fair? Heck no.

Rat03:31pm
Jul 2

But do you think the book jacket shot of you making that "O" symbol with your hands was a good idea?

noodleman  url03:32pm
Jul 2

... Tony Sutton who, despite 12 of the highest judges in the land with zero judges dissenting saying otherwise, will still tell the media that our system "robbed" the election.

 

Then boycott Baja Sol not because Sutton's a Republican but because he's a political imbecile. Most Republicans were not in favor of Coleman and the RNC stretching this thing out, just as there are many Republicans who are urging Michele Bachmann to grow up or get laid wrt to the US Census.

Targeting someone because of their party affiliation seems just this side of totalitarianism. That's not the direction we should be moving in ... as a country or a culture.

kurtis  url03:36pm
Jul 2

It was supposed to look like I was holding a baseball. And I also have an explanation for the dead elephant tee shirt I'm wearing in that picture.

Rat03:53pm
Jul 2

You were in the windup to throw the Circle Change You Can Believe In, no doubt.

kurtis  url04:07pm
Jul 2

Good one.

Tuck (not verified)04:16pm
Jul 2

"Targeting someone because of their party affiliation seems just this side of totalitarianism. That's not the direction we should be moving in ... as a country or a culture."

Word. I can see withholding dollars for action, or even advocacy, but a party is generally more about ideas, and punishing ideas is not a good road.

justinph04:36pm
Jul 2

Not that this is 100%, but if the person is a CEO, I'd say generally there's a pretty good chance he's a republican.

Insert standard logic about privileged rich white guys here.

mjm04:44pm
Jul 2

Just a thought...

Do any of the people who might consider a boycott of a place like Baja Sol use banks? Because I'm pretty sure that most bank execs are Republicans.

Jack Pine  url05:02pm
Jul 2

Yes, lefties, please stop doing business with any entity whose CEO you perceive to be guilty of being a Republican. Sure, you'll have to go through life hungry, cold, on foot, and uninsured -- and with little medical care -- but hey, you'll be pure! Because everyone knows that Democrats have a corner on virtue!

Jack Pine  url05:08pm
Jul 2

Also, this should mean no more watching KSTP, since Stanley Hubbard reportedly is the state's largest Republican donor. Giving up Grey's Anatomy or Lost = demonstrating one's moral superiority, right?

kurtis  url05:09pm
Jul 2

A comment entirely worthy of the Star Tribune comment section.

Jack Pine  url05:15pm
Jul 2

Which, being owned by venture capitalists, probably should not be purchased or read by decent people.

kurtis  url05:19pm
Jul 2

On the other hand, the Internet was invented by a Democrat who believes in global warming. Maybe all those righties should sign off in a fit of orchestrated indignation.

lunch!05:22pm
Jul 2

Since when did Republicans have a monopoly on money and entrepreneurship?

Cat  url05:23pm
Jul 2

Who needs Maz now that Jack's here. Yay!

My concern with companies is more about how they treat the employees, how they do business, etc. Whether they lean left or right doesn't matter to me.

I'm neither decent nor republican. I think that makes me a post-modern hippie.

Rat05:23pm
Jul 2

"It's that kind of attitude and rhetoric that I think is damaging."

To his salsa?

kurtis  url05:28pm
Jul 2

"Since when did Republicans have a monopoly on money and entrepreneurship?"

That's one of their most enduring mythologies. Read the Star Tirbune comments. Democrats are all on welfare. Republicans all have jobs.

Jack Pine  url05:30pm
Jul 2

Kurtis, you forgot a couple of our truisms: most crime is committed by illegal immigrants, marriage is meant by God to be between a man and a woman, and the designated hitter is an abomination.

kurtis  url05:37pm
Jul 2

If you limit your platform to #3, you might have a convert.

jeffk05:48pm
Jul 2

I think that all other things being equal I'd avoid giving money to a Republican because it could potentially be used for filthy things. Thing is, though, it would be a fairly small perturbation in the decision-making process, because my stomach is charge of that. Which would keep me away from Baja Sol.

s4xton  url06:05pm
Jul 2

Noodleman- I think it is clear I am targeting Sutton, not Republicans.

noodleman  url06:32pm
Jul 2

This campaign (for wont of another word) seems similar to how gangs react to one another. Or high school cliques. I thought we outgrew those kinds of relationships the older we got.

To even propose boycotting a business because its owner or operator is of one political leaning, and different from yours, isn't socially productive or constructive. If you disagree with Sutton because you are pro-choice and he is pro-life, that is one thing. But there are moderate beliefs within the Republican party (just as there are moderate Democrats) that should be encouraged; not derided. This is a life where we have to learn to play together.

Is Sutton being Republican as great an evil was apartheid in South Africa?

noodleman  url06:34pm
Jul 2

I think it is clear I am targeting Sutton, not Republicans.

Then why does his being the chair of a political party bear any consideration at all? You're trying to punish him for being a Republican; not because of his burritos.

Bixby  url06:35pm
Jul 2

The thing about Baja Sol is that the fish tacos are biased toward tasty-relative-to-where-I-worked.

Why are we having this discussion? If you don't want to support his company because you don't like the man for whatever reason, it's your money.

The end.

Rat06:39pm
Jul 2

The only thing boycotts in South Africa hurt were South Africans.

It's like Republicans dumping French wine because the French government didn't kowtow to the United States in ways that were acceptable to them.

They only people they hurt are the ones who can least afford to be hurt.

kwatt08:00pm
Jul 2

I more or less agree with the Rat's original comment. I won't stop buying Apple products b/c Steve Jobs was a John Kerry advisor and Al Gore is on their board. The company makes great products that I love.

But at the same time, I will never give any of my $$ to a tribal casino in Minnesota, because such a sizable amount of their revenue is used directly against my employer every two years, and because I can go on living without being a casino gambler.

So I guess it's just the degree to which it offends you and whether or not you can live without whatever you're giving up.

noodleman  url08:15pm
Jul 2

We can make individual choices. It's the indication of something being organized, in retaliation, that troubles me. I don't buy a Domino's pizza because former owner Monaghan is passionately pro-life; I just dislike the company's product. (And when I wonder why someone buys a Domino's pizza, it's not because I'm questioning the political leaning of the customer; I question their taste.)

As was pointed out earlier, buy most anything in your average American store and chances you're buying it from an owner who has voted Republican at one time or another.

Let's be less divisive, and accept the fact that political winds blow in many directions ... all the time. You can be devout; you can be a zealot; you can be a patriot without being uncivil. Otherwise, we're just looking at the start of another civil war.

kc!  url08:22pm
Jul 2

If you are head of a political party, hold a political office or have a political sign up at you place of business, I will judge you and possibly shop at or not shop at your place of business because of it. You have chosen to put your political beliefs out there and I will repond accordingly.
If you give money to a political party quietly, I probably won't care. Unless you give money directly to a cause that seeks to take rights away from someone, like Prop 8 or MCCL, then I will take notice.

Rat08:32pm
Jul 2

"I won't stop buying Apple products b/c Steve Jobs was a John Kerry advisor and Al Gore is on their board."

Probably the most famous and visible Mac-loyal person is Rush Limbaugh. He loves Apple products.

noodleman  url08:37pm
Jul 2

I suppose I wouldn't buy something from someone who advocates genocide, or discrimination, or who is a war monger. I also wouldn't be interested in anything Mac Hammond, or any other "prosperity church" leader, has to sell. But I also don't buy anything that has been made into an info-mercial.

Rush Limbaugh is an info-mercial, btw.

noodleman  url08:41pm
Jul 2

Oh, and I doubt, should I know ahead of time, that I'd buy anything from a paranoid-schizophrenic.

noodleman  url08:47pm
Jul 2

P.S. I was composing my Rush comment while Rat was composing his. What I posted wasn't in reaction to anything Rat wrote.

Jason DeRusha  url09:07pm
Jul 2

Someone commented earlier today that Republicans tend not to care about this stuff, and just seek out good products and good prices; while Democrats tend to be more into boycotting because of political beliefs.

Not sure if I buy that premise, but I might buy that premise. I forget whether or not I agree with the person who said that.

noodleman  url09:15pm
Jul 2

"Good prices" and "good products" are both relative terms, though, Jason. I'm sure GM benefited from a belief in both when the company should've been paying more attention to "good."

"Good" becomes a euphemism for other things, otherwise.

noodleman  url09:17pm
Jul 2

Let me rephrase I'm sure GM benefited from a belief in both when the company should've been paying more attention to "good."

I'm sure GM benefited from a belief in both when the company should've been paying more attention to "better."

kc!  url09:21pm
Jul 2

IIRC there are many conservatives that boycott Disney because they are friendly to Gays.

noodleman  url10:05pm
Jul 2

@aliecat: So, is Disney "liberal?" Or are they among the businesses who see the advantage of being aware of life's many permutations?

mnblrmkr  url10:14pm
Jul 2

I doubt Democrats are any more prone to calling for boycotts than Republicans. But conservatives seem to be just as likely to call for boycotts as liberals.

Bill Cooper pulled (supposedly. He DID publicly claim he was going to) all TCF advertising form the Strib and City Pages.

Conservatives have boycotted Disney (as kc pointed out) over gay friendly policies. They've also done the same against Ford, Wells Fargo, advertisers on "Will and Grace", etc.

Conservatives have called for a boycott of GM. At the risk of giving it more traffic, here's a site that lists various conservative boycotts.

aliecat  url10:51pm
Jul 2

What? I wasn't involved in this convo...

noodleman  url11:02pm
Jul 2

@alicat: Uff-da. My mistake.

Omedetou gozaimasu.

aliecat  url11:06pm
Jul 2

It's OK, I tend to linger on the brain...

Raindog (not verified)10:35pm
Jul 3

Load up on that free salsa. I'll be leaving you all frequent "presents" in it.

Enjoy!

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