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This is great news. Since there are no Wal-marts in Minneapolis, Target is my most convenient retail store.

Yeah, Wal-Mart is the problem. If only we were all paying $25 more for car seats. Wal-Mart. Right.

And that you'd rather not go broke.

I actually think people can keep body and soul together without supporting child labor or buying lots of cheap plastic crap, but maybe that's just because I'm a liberal elitist and don't live in "Real America."

I'm just glad we survived the last 8 years so we could see how the so called "Real Americans" made our country a "Real Clusterfuck."

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The Wal-Mart by the Mall of America? That place is scary. I went there once because I was on the hunt for a simple but USB keyboard under $20 (this is apparently a hard feat) and they were the only place that had one. Never again.

Sandburg, yeah, that one. I'm still mildly mad that I broke my 6 year ban (at the time) to buy something there, but I was in the market for an A/C and apparently Wal-Mart is the only place that sells them in August.

Alie, I know I've read that the health benefits for Walmart employees are at least equal to Target employees. In some cases it's better. I think Target's marketing buys it a large amount of goodwill. And the unions go after Walmart because it's a bigger target.

But both Walmart and Target charge less for groceries-- they both use cheap non-union labor.  Of course, whenever a new Walmart or Target opens, there are huge lines of people waiting to apply for those jobs.  So clearly those gigs are better than nothing.

If we as a society really cared about these things, we'd be willing to pay more to support it.  It's pretty clear that as a society we value the economic benefit provided by the increased buying power these kinds of stores provide.

Jason, yep, that's what I thought. As for cheaper groceries, I've found that, a lot of times, Cub and Rainbow are the same if not cheaper for things like meat, dairy, and produce. Don't know about Wally World, though.

I buy toothpaste at Walmart because Target doesn't carry my brand. I buy shampoo at Walmart because Target doesn't carry my brand. Target has for quite a while given up on men. Thus, driving us to alternatives.

@Bob

What, you don't think the higher-end chains do market research?

It's pretty clear that as a society we value the economic benefit provided by the increased buying power these kinds of stores provide.

Partly because most people don't realize the impact that Walmart/Target etc. have on their own wages.  I can try to look it up, but I've seen studies that indicate that average wages in non-retail businesses  drop ~3% in the surrounding area after Wal-Mart opens a store in a new location.

Here's one study that looks at retail wages. I'm sure I've seen one that mentioned non-retail as well.

Don't the people lusting after "low, low prices" realize they're shooting themselves in the foot?

Fine. Buy a pair of jeans for $20 ... the same price a pair were 20 years ago.

There are only two ways that price stayed so low: the US worker making those jeans hasn't seen a wage increase in 20 years, or that the US-based textile company that once had those jeans made in the US is now outsourcing that job overseas where labor is cheaper.

If you want your wages to go up, people, you will have to accept higher prices. If all you want are cheap goods, don't bitch to me or anyone else about the falling value of your own income.

I do not buy groceries at non-union stores because there are union stores available.

Also, in regard to organic stuff, Lunds and Kowalski's are much cheaper on organic frozen goods (like Amy's Brand) than Rainbow. And on organic milk.

You might be on to something Geoff...

If it weren't for child labor, those kids in other lands would have nothing to do but loaf around and play games. We can't have that!

Target = Walmart with more shine.

They both pay low wages, bully suppliers and kill local competition.

Walmart re-wrote the game of retail, target quickly followed suit.

Everybody comes in with the: "there driving jobs out of america BS...they are only driving jobs that no one wanted or weren't profitable. The real problem with the US economy is the fact that education funding has been cut, lateral thinking and creativity are at all time lows and innovation is being stifled (stemcell research to name one)

We now live in a knowledge economy but our future brain trust is being homogenized and filtered to the point of no return.

/rant

What, you don't think the higher-end chains do market research?

I'm smarter than they are. Also, it's all about me, and my wants.

But enough of that, let's talk about me.

I read that finally the loopholes are being closed that have allowed giant agri-businesses like Horizon and Archer Farms (Target's so-called organic brand) to get away with calling their products organic...and driving actual organic farms out of business in the process.

Yeah, the definition of organic for labeling purposes was sketchy as hell. Glad to hear they're doing something about that.