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With Clint Eastwood's newest movie opening Friday, perhaps it is time we had a new thread about it. As we know, it was written by local writer Nick Schenk, was originally set in Minnesota, and still retains some Minnesota flavor. First reviews range from fair to terrific, and the film was cast with some Hmong actors and has generated some excitement in the Hmong community. It has come with some criticisms, too: Hmong writer Sharon Her says that the movie is underresearched and doesn't represent the commuity well; Northwest Asian Weekly says the movie falls short in its depiction of Hmong culture; MPR looks at some of the mixed responses people in the Hmong community are having about the film.
What if I were to shoot a movie depicting the lives of second-generation Swedish immigrants? Swedes and non-Swedes would very likely find fault with my depiction, saying things like "Well, that's not at all what Svenskarnasdag is like" or "All Swedes don't eat lutefisk, y'know" or "We all don't talk that way, by golly."
Even though my immigrant grandfather did speak "that way," and he and his relatives did eat lutefisk, and that my memories of Svenskarnasdag are from my own youth?
On the other hand, we hear from the revisionists who want, for the sake of equality and diversity, to put people in movies where they don't historically belong. One example I can think of were the complaints about another Eastwood movie -- set in WWII -- that there weren't any black soldiers depicted. Well, gosh, there weren't any blacks involved in the real battle (Guadalcanal?) any more than there were white fighter pilots flying Mustangs as Tuskegee airmen.
Sharon's article is well written, but I don't get the city pages headline "Gran Torino is racist and insensitive, says Hmong writer" Isn't that a main point of the movie? Or does the headline imply that not fully understanding hmong culture is racist? Besides, as far as I can tell, she didn't really say that at all in the article. Her main complaints are that of inaccuracy/shallow research. City Pages headline Fail?
And from NW Asian weekly, the writer states: “Gran Torino” offers no distincition between the Black, Latino, or Hmong gangs. They all cruise, flash guns, flash secret hand signs, and talk like they learned their lingo out of somebody else’s movie. The narrative never explains the differences, if any, between Hmong and non-Hmong gang cultures.
Maybe the focus was not meant to be on the gangs themselves, but on the relationships between the characters, in which case, these differences are not really relevant, and in my opinion, not very discernable anyways. Of course, I haven't seen the movie so am completely speculating.
As I said, I haven't seen the movie, but I say kudos to Schenk/Eastwood for giving it a try. I'm excited for it.
I think that's what they call "Linkbaiting," Baker.
My prediction: the clip of Eastwood pumping a shotgun and growling "get off of my lawn," will become an Internet standard whenever somebody wants to make the usual joke about, well, old people wanting the damned kids to get off of their lawn.
My mom told the neighbor kids to get off her lawn whilst shaking a rake at them this summer. It was awesome.
Some poor old lady got arrested for keeping a football that some neighbor kids kept throwing into her yard. The parents called the police on her. Bitches.
Did Nick Schenk write this in MN? Someone told me he used to sit and write at NE Grumpy's. Oh, how the gossip in this town swirls about the wild times of Nick Schenk. I wish he would pop in here and defend himself.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the movie for Eastwood alone, and for the Hmong stuff. Did someone already discuss the possibility of the first evar MNspeak movie meetup?
From the article: The narrative never explains the differences, if any, between Hmong and non-Hmong gang cultures.
Someone tell me what the differences are? Because when I see gangstas on the street, they all are basically doing the same things.
This is what the Strib said, Jane:
The script had humble roots in Schenk's friendships with old soldiers he met while clerking at the St. Anthony Village Liquor Warehouse and with his Hmong co-workers on the night shift at a Bloomington factory that packaged videotapes. and: "Loading trucks every day, your back was tired but your mind was fresh.
And:
I had met all these old vets at the liquor store. They came in every day for a pint of their 'medicine,' with stories they couldn't tell their wives and children. I was the outlet. So I'd just roll into Grumpy's [Bar, a northeast Minneapolis dive], where my friend was the bartender, and write the stuff longhand on a pad of paper.
And Whoppers are involved how?
The movie's good, and surprisingly funny. BTW, Clint didn't have a shotgun. It was an M1, the standard army rifle from Korea and WWII.
That's ok. The firearm's secondary to the sneer anyway.
The movie is quite good. The character IS unapologetically racist, but that's the point. You get the typical Clint Eastwood bad assness, a bit of well-placed humor, a strangely heartwarming tale of friendship, and a coming of age story. I really, really liked this flick. I didn't know the writer was from Minnesota, but there are a few indications that it's set in the Midwest, not MN in general though. Eastwood's pissed-off-old-man faces in it are worth seeing it alone.
Nick is a friend of mine and not the I know a famous person kind of friend. I went to his wedding. (He was divorced before this movie was sold) He lived in my friend's spare room for a while. He used to deliver floor tile to some of the job sites I worked at. He lives in LA now most of the time but is back quite a bit. I saw him at Grumpy's around Thanksgiving. His family still lives in Columbia Heights and NE.
Dave Johannson that has a story credit is also a local boy and devilishly handsome. He is still currently married.
The movie is set in Highland Park, MI. In the film you can see Eastwood's character driving around Lake Shore Drive in Grosse Pointe, MI. I personally loved the film and enjoyed the explanations of Hmong culture.
The movie is set in Highland Park, MI. In the film you can see Eastwood's character driving around Lake Shore Drive in Grosse Pointe, MI. I personally loved the film and enjoyed the explanations of Hmong culture.
Highland Park makes North Minneapolis look like paradise.
Nick on MPR this morning.
I saw it last night.
It was good, but I did recognize some of the awkwardness of the hmong actors. That vbeing said, I think it fit ok, because of the awkwardness that would really be present in a situation like this in real ife...
Overall it was a good movie, and it made me guiltily laugh.
Baker, I saw it too. I think I know whta you "guiltily" laughed at, and I laughed at that too--almost every time! I don't think I feel guilty though, I think it was supposed to be funny, or at the VERY least, make us laugh nervously.
Really liked this movie and won't be surprised if it wins some award.
I was in the St. Louis Park theatre, filled with primarily middle aged white folks. It was almost an outburst of laughter at every little quip. I imagine if I had watched this movie in an inner city theatre it might have been much more 'quiet'
But, there were some creative ones, that is for sure!
*sigh*
...won't be surprised if it wins some award.
Kind of hoping it doesn't. The more awards it wins, the longer the DVD release will be delayed, and the longer I'll have to wait to b e able to see it.
Oh... sorry about that mnblrmkr.
Baker, I'm pretty sure there were some Hmong-speakers in my audience, b/c some people really cracked up a couple times at things said in Hmong.
And yet, it is not a comedy.
They were probably saying: "Eastwood smells like a dog today."
"Hey all you Hmong viewers! We're not getting paid enough."
Good one, Rat!
Just saw this last night. It was obvious it was supposed to be in Michigan, as they alluded to Eastwood working 50 years for Ford, the 6-month long winters and especially the last scene which is shot on the shore of Lake Michigan. Not sure exactly where in Michigan this was supposed to be, but it doesn't really matter.
Very good flick, funny and a more/less unpredictable ending with a nice twist. I really liked the Hmong actors, and the main boy (Toad/Tao) was actually in my daughter's English class last year at the U of M. Politically incorrect? That was the whole point of Eastwood's character, as well as the barber. And don't tell me the grandma was not a racist, she was pretty funny too. Nice humor throughout.
And of course, the famous Eastwood squint and grunt/growl was in full force in this one. Maybe a bit overplayed, but funny anyway. I laughed a lot at this one and did not feel the least bit guilty, it was intended that way.
Clint Eastwood has to be the best tough guy actor ever, bar none.
Hey ddubbs - Detroit is not on Lake Michigan, it's Lake St. Claire (the same lake that is in the map hung in his character's basement stairwell), and that scene is actually Lakeshore Drive in Grosse Pointe.
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