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The Rat (not verified)07:46am
Nov 7

The Rat will be the first to say Vote Democrat!

mazasapa08:36am
Nov 7

I predict that in any race the democrats lose, the loss will be blamed on racist voter suppression, hacked voting machines, sexism, or greed. Democrats never lose because they're a lousy candidate or because they lacked the right ideas or point of view, but only because they were screwed somehow. I also predict that any races a republican loses will be explained here as the people slapping down the racist, sexist, homophobic nazi, and not because he/she was a lousy candidate or because they lacked the right ideas or point of view.

Carry on.

Max Sparber  url08:51am
Nov 7

And I predict that every one of those accusations will turn out to be absolutely correct.

The Rat (not verified)08:57am
Nov 7

I predict that any races a Democrat loses will be the people slapping down an unhinged, Bush hating, Jew hating, Bin Laden loving coward who wants to tax people to death and turn the nation into a third world country to stop global warming.

tmay (not verified)09:20am
Nov 7

where do I find where to vote? I'm still kinda new in town ...

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champs09:22am
Nov 7

Here ya go, tmay. I'll bet it's not the best or prettiest link, but it does tell you everything (and it was in my browser history -- I don't use bookmarks).

Incidentally, my wife got conned into voting yes on the transportation amendment, and didn't want to redo her whole ballot -- so if you were planning to vote yes, you can safely vote no, instead.

tmay (not verified)09:28am
Nov 7

oh well crap. I was told I could register today with a utility bill, but the state website says I have to have either a military ID or a passport with the utility bill. All I have is a california DL and a birth certificate (also from CA).

So basically I don't get to vote now, right?

champs09:28am
Nov 7

and when I say "if you were planning to vote yes", I don't mean anyone specifically -- I'm just offering a vote trade.

tmay (not verified)09:29am
Nov 7

I guess I could get my neighbour to 'vouch' for me if he's home before the vote's over with.

mazasapa09:32am
Nov 7

Yeah, take your illegal alien neighbor to vouch for you.

tmay (not verified)09:33am
Nov 7

uh, yeah .... no. that was rude, uncalled for and generally stupid. But then I expect no more from you.

alamn09:36am
Nov 7

Good signs on election day: I am usually the first voter at my polling place. Today when I arrived at 6:50 a.m., a dozen people were already waiting in line. Saw more "sigh wavers" on the road than usual. Both led me to conclude that voters are energized this year and I predict a higher than usual turnout, even by Minnesota standards.

alamn09:39am
Nov 7

sigh wavers?

champs09:29am
Nov 7

Without a passport, your options do get pretty slim...

In theory, it would be enough to beg anyone at the poll station to vouch, but you might want to start with a neighbor -- and I know that's awkward enough.

Your other way around that is to *apply* for a Minnesota ID/DL today, because the receipt is just as valid as the card itself. That's also going to involve going to the gub'ment center, and applying for a state ID/DL, and I'm sure you don't have all day for that.

rew09:50am
Nov 7

I predict that I may end up sloppy and spill a drink on Matt tonight if MPR gives us enough booze...

tmay (not verified)09:48am
Nov 7

yeah, the whole reason I don't have a local ID/DL already is because their hours suck major ass and I actually work for a living. Taking a day off work to stand in a queue is not quite an appealing thing to me. Plus my CA DL doesn't expire until halfaway through next year so I'm just like "why bother?"

I guess I know why to bother now ):

Elizabeth (not verified)09:47am
Nov 7

For those of you wondering about the positions of candidates, especially in some of the "smaller" races, I would recommend the League of Women Voters of Minnesota site.

Eddie (not verified)09:58am
Nov 7

It won't help you today, but the Hennepin County Service Center in the basement of the Midtown building is open on Saturdays. I've been there twice since it opened and there were no lines. Actually, it might be faster to go there on a weekday too, so it might help you today. They are open until 6pm tonight.

HCSC

grote (not verified)10:01am
Nov 7

What's all this talk about Tommy Lee and the big erection today?

alamn10:05am
Nov 7

TMayham: As I recall, all MN licence offices will be kept open until polls close today just to deal with situations such as the one you are facing. You will have to make two trips instead of one, but it can (and should) be done.

Good luck!

jim (not verified)10:12am
Nov 7

line of the day grote! nice.

jodee (not verified)10:12am
Nov 7

I think that if tmay showed up at the polls with a valid CA license and a current utilility bill, they will let him vote. It's always been incredibly easy for me, even when moving around a lot.

matt  url10:21am
Nov 7

Has anyone heard about republicans pretending to be democrats on the phone over the last few days? They're calling democrats and acting really annoying. I know someone who just got called. From what she said they were talking about, there is no way it could have been a legit call.

Elizabeth (not verified)10:26am
Nov 7

Matt--

You mean these calls?

mazasapa10:29am
Nov 7

The only time I ever pretended to be a democrat was when they were handing out free cartons of cigarettes to people on the street who said they'd vote for them. Oh, that and when they wanted to buy my dead mother's name for their registered voters' list.

Err (not verified)10:34am
Nov 7

Tmay, did you not know you wanted to vote today? Why didn't you look into what was needed to vote before today? Did the election catch you by surprise?

And those pesky service centers, with their quick service and evening and weekend hours...

black java (not verified)10:46am
Nov 7

I'm I the only one voting NO on the transportation amendment?

black java (not verified)10:48am
Nov 7

oops. "Am I" the only one?

matt  url11:08am
Nov 7

I voted no on the Transportation amendment. It's crappy lawmaking. And all the money that would have gone to other stuff is just going to come out of the general fund now.

baker (not verified)11:03am
Nov 7

black java, I almost voted no. I was against a constitutional amendment--thought it was sort of a trivial thing to amend the const. for. But then I realized that this state needs soem serious help in transportaion, and I'm just not sure anything would have happened that would provide that help without this measure.

Eddie (not verified)11:09am
Nov 7

I voted no the transportation amendment. I want the spending on transportation, but I don't want politicians to weasel out of being responsible for making decisions. This is a republic and we elect people to decide how to run the government. I think a huge majority is for it, but the politicians can't seem to find a way to do this without a constitutional amendment. Booo!

matt  url11:11am
Nov 7

"but I don't want politicians to weasel out of being responsible for making decisions. This is a republic and we elect people to decide how to run the government"

Word.

crz  url11:22am
Nov 7

My precinct was BUSY. The machine said I was the 277th person to vote so far there.

Max Sparber  url11:13am
Nov 7

I voted no.

Question (not verified)11:25am
Nov 7

Voting against the transportation amendment.

Raindog66 (not verified)11:23am
Nov 7

I predict history will judge Michelle Bachman to be the biggest laughingstock in the history of Minnesota politics.

I predict Keith Ellison will be become a national political force within 4 years and eventually make a successful run for the Senate.

I predict Amy K. will underwhelm and Kennedy will eventually get busted for child porn possession.

I predict Polenta will win and continue to drive good people from this state, continue to ruin the education and transit systems and reinstate the Death Penalty which will become his only (horrible) legacy.

The Rat (not verified)12:11pm
Nov 7

"The only time I ever pretended to be a democrat was when they were handing out free cartons of cigarettes to people on the street who said they'd vote for them. "

As I recall they were only packs of cigarettes. Shrewd of you to hold out for a carton.

tmay (not verified)12:42pm
Nov 7

Yeah I knew it was going to be an issue, but I'd already discussed it with someone who had experience and I was under the impression I could get away with my out of state ID and a utility bill. It wasn't until I was looking up my local polling place today that I spied the rules and saw that I needed a passport instead.

I also really don't understand all the sudden animosity for the transportation amendment. It was getting a lot of support until the last week or two and everyone just changed their mind about it. Was there some kind of exposé I missed?

TBartel12:56pm
Nov 7

Tmay, the teachers union pulled the "But what about the children" card on the transportation amendment. Somehow, if you like trains and buses, that means you are against schools. Matt is right though. It is bad lawmaking, but since we have such bad lawmakers, I figure, what the hell.

Max Sparber  url01:04pm
Nov 7

Tmay, my girlfriend registered with an out of state ID and a utility bill.

bobby_b01:09pm
Nov 7

"I also really don't understand all the sudden animosity for the transportation amendment. It was getting a lot of support until the last week or two and everyone just changed their mind about it. Was there some kind of exposé I missed?"

- - -

There was more, and better, explanation of the difference between "at least 40 percent" and "no more than 60 percent."

Once (lots of) people realized that this was simply a hijack by the Light Rail crowd, it became part of more conversations.

.

black java (not verified)01:09pm
Nov 7

I'm glad I'm not alone on this one. Here's the wording that kills me...with a minimum of 40% of the funds used for local and regional public transit.

Doesn't that mean public transit funding could go as high as 100%? Maybe I'm just confused? What about our roads and highways? What about greater MN?

bobby_b01:32pm
Nov 7

"Doesn't that mean public transit funding could go as high as 100%? Maybe I'm just confused? What about our roads and highways? What about greater MN?"

- - -

They could apply 100% to transit whenever they wanted. They could apply 0% to roads whenever they wanted.

"Greater MN." - You mean Eden Praiire?

black java (not verified)01:36pm
Nov 7

The farther you are in poximity to metro transit the more this could potentially suck. Do we really want to amend our constitution based on that kind of wording? I think its misleading to people who just glance it over. This amendment stinks if you ask me.

zenrhino01:43pm
Nov 7

WTF is up Hofstede's britches lately?

Wasn't she the "Hey, this is an arts city!" candidate?

g rote01:49pm
Nov 7

Has anyone heard about republicans pretending to be democrats

some of my dearest friends do that every weekend in a futile attempt to pick up sexually liberated women.

tmay (not verified)01:52pm
Nov 7

hey, max, thanks for the heads up. I'm going to go try to register over lunch right now and see if it flys. (polling place is one block from work, so why not? I can at least use it as a smoke break)

mulad02:03pm
Nov 7

Some Flickr photos from today from around the country. Lots of pictures of signage in different languages, among other things.

g rote02:10pm
Nov 7

Tmay, my girlfriend registered with an out of state ID and a utility bill.

Tmay is Max's girlfriend? That explains so much.

Max Sparber  url02:12pm
Nov 7

Well, we swap gender roles depending on mood.

g rote02:41pm
Nov 7

that reminds me of my favorite prison sex joke.

Tax lawyer gets sentenced to prison for fraud. Upon his arrival he meets his bunkmate Bubba. Bubba asks tax lawyer if he would rather be the husband or the wife. Tax Lawyer indicates that he's not into prison sex. Bubba, once more with feeling, asks tax lawyer which role he prefers...tax lawyer mulls it over and says "I guess I'll be the husband". Bubba proceeds to say "well then get over here and start sucking your wife's d#ck"

champs02:46pm
Nov 7

It's nice to see they're keeping illegals out of the polling places.

ScottW. (not verified)02:47pm
Nov 7

833 voters by 1:30 pm at my S. Minneapolis polling place.

The poll workers seemed impressed with the turnout.

tmay (not verified)02:56pm
Nov 7

):

max they wouldn't let me register with my out of state ID

and one of the poll workers was being a huge dick to me about it

"oh hey, nice ID, take it back. Yeah it's lovely, but all its good for is a coaster"

Thanks jagoff! Way to make light of the fact that now I probably won't get to vote! My neighbour I was going to try to get to vouch for me works late and might not even be home by the time the polls close at 8! Sweet!

So I'm disenfranchised now and dude was mocking me about it.

"Yeah, you can keep your electric bill too, but you'd better pay it or they'll turn your electricity off!"

No shit? Wow, that's funny, I thought it was just to make me feel good and get me registered to vote ... oh wait, it does neither of those things.

Max Sparber  url03:02pm
Nov 7

Well, that's terrible.

cary03:03pm
Nov 7

The wording sucks on the amendment. The whole 60/40 thing is bunk, I agree. That said, our roads/transit aren't going to get funded with the current crop of legislators. We need to pass that amendment.

tmay: Your best bet is a vouch. Find someone, anyone to vouch for you.

black java (not verified)03:13pm
Nov 7

tmay: Where is your polling place?

Jerad03:21pm
Nov 7

Yeah--there's a chance somebody here might be able to vouch!

Or you should be able to call up one of the parties and they might be able to find people from your neighborhood who can vouch for you.

And, seriously, get the name of the dude who treated you like that at the poll.

champs03:21pm
Nov 7

You know, the wingnuts have it right.

We really should focus in on the problem of illegal immigrant voters -- it's massively more important than concerning ourselves with black box voting devices (but not in Minnesota!) and the inability of eligible voters (like tmay) to get registered.

That said, tmay should've tried voting in the primary -- at least that way, the rules would be crystal-clear, and even if he never got into the primary (I didn't) he could definitely be registered to vote in time for the general.

look busy (not verified)03:23pm
Nov 7

I once found someone to vouch for me on a message board after being rejected in the morning. Apparently my registration card had not made it through the process and I was never put on the list. Didn't have a utility bill or current ID.

You can always knock on your neighbors' doors - someone's bound to recognize you as the guy from down the hall and go to the polls with you.

I voted for the transportation amendment. Too bad for schools, etc., but nothing's stopping them from organizing to get their slice of the pie.

tublecane (not verified)03:35pm
Nov 7

Tmay could have easily voted today if he was proactive about it. There is not right in the Constitution to hold peoples hands through the voting process. It is a serious right and should be taken seriously. It shouldn't be as easy as getting any asshat off the street to vouch for you just because your going to vote for the same bunk people/policy.

DouglasG  url03:36pm
Nov 7

No to the terrible constitutional amendment. If the legislature cannot decide, and the governor cannot decide how to spend the tax dollars, then we should de-elect them on a day like today. There shouldn't be an automatic fund because it will likely get over funded and then what happens to that money?

Connor04:07pm
Nov 7

Yes to transportation. Congresspeople know their constituency, so you can be sure highways will get their share. That 40% is to see that transit gets anything.

Max Sparber  url04:09pm
Nov 7

It shouldn't be as easy as getting any asshat off the street to vouch for you just because your going to vote for the same bunk people/policy.

Yes it should.

tmay (not verified)04:12pm
Nov 7

marcy-holmes in my polling place

I swear if I see that dude who was shitting on me again I'm going to punch him in the cock after I vote. Then say "HA HA, look I voted, now die"

not really, but he put me in a shitty mood.

spaceman04:15pm
Nov 7

you would have to punch him really really hard in the cock to kill him. Like Mike Hatch hard.

tmay (not verified)04:14pm
Nov 7

oh and tuble, eat my ass. I have a valid picture ID and a utility bill to my name at an address in the district/precinct/whatever. The only problem is that my ID was issued by another state government and so they refuse to recognize it. It's funny because I can buy alchohol with it and not get hassled. I'd been told those things were all I needed, but someone neglected to mention it had to be a MN ID to me, so I didn't know until today.

tmay (not verified)04:17pm
Nov 7

ps, yes, let's make voting as difficult and time-consuming as possible! That's the right way to make sure people are well-represented in government!

democracy in action! keep lots of legitimate voters out in the dark on the off chance some illegitimate ones might sneak in!

dotty (not verified)04:37pm
Nov 7

And I my precinct? No one checking ID's. Sure, I'm on the roster and registered, but no one verified that I was me. Aren't they supposed to?

mulad04:33pm
Nov 7

I think that the reason for having a Minnesota ID is to prevent "vote early, vote often". Not that it would be impossible to cross-check a driver's license number of someone who did same-day registration with an out-of-state ID, but of course laws vary from state to state, so whoever it is that goes through and verifies that the registration cards are legit might be able to get data from one state but not another. Keeping it all in Minnesota works.

Of course, getting someone to vouch might be the easiest thing. I had thought that the person vouching had to be pre-registered, but apparently they can do same-day registration and then vouch for someone. Or maybe the poll worker I overheard this morning was smoking something.

Minnesota is very relaxed about registration compared to the rest of the country.

spaceman04:47pm
Nov 7

no, dotty, not if you are pre-registered

tublecane (not verified)04:45pm
Nov 7

mulad: Where did you vote that you heard that? You might have been next to me...I voted over lunch and registered with my MN drivers license with my new address, and asked if I could vouch for my fiance since even though I registered that day. They said I could. Was planning on having my buddy do it for her but now I will just go with her.

I hope she doesn't get jealous of Tmay's invitation to eat his ass....

baker (not verified)04:45pm
Nov 7

Tmay, how long have you lived in Minnesota?

tublecane (not verified)04:50pm
Nov 7

Sadly dotty no MN does not require that, surprising enough as it is. Don't want to disenfranchise all those people out there that can't afford to be bothered to go out and get an ID.

MarieB (not verified)06:11pm
Nov 7

Hey Tmay, did the election worker have a "Jeff" name badge on? About 22-25 years of age? If so, yes, he was a dick to registered voters as well. Acted like a bouncer checking IDs at a bar.

mulad06:49pm
Nov 7

tublecane: I voted at The Burlington on Energy Park Drive.

mazasapa06:48pm
Nov 7

Minnesota is very relaxed about registration compared to the rest of the country.

It has to be or democrats wouldn't win elections here.

jderusha07:26pm
Nov 7

I'm attempting to live blog from the DFL party HQ, if anyone cares. They have 4 TV screens up: CNN, MSNBC, Comedy Central, and MNPublius.com.

Max Sparber  url07:40pm
Nov 7

Very nice, Jason.

the real adam (not verified)07:44pm
Nov 7

I'm going to spend the evening riveted to the Goode-Weed congressional race in Virginia's 5th district. Perhaps ordering a pizza will be in order.

tmay (not verified)07:46pm
Nov 7

I don't think he was named jeff, no. He was kind of balding as I recall. I took off work early and bussed by ass downtown to get a state ID receipt so I could vote. Dude was still there when I got back and I gave him a dirty look, but I'd lost all my fuming anger so he survived the encounter.

Maz, shut the bloody fuck up. Seriously. "ZOMG DEMOCRATS ARE ALL VOTING ILLEGITIMATELY!" You're just as bad with that BS as people saying "DIEBOLD MACHINES ARE RIGGED TO GIVE REPUBLICANS VOTES!" Don't you see that?

Probably not, because you're an idiot.

mazasapa08:16pm
Nov 7

I thought the mentally incompetent were prevented from voting.

tmay (not verified)09:15pm
Nov 7

then how did you vote?

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