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Expect a blistering response from the Association to Protect Arab Cattle as well.

Yeah, my jaw dropped when I saw what he was quoted to have said. Just more proof that crazy knows no religious, ethnic or racial boundaries…

On the more possitve side, the President gave a speach today. I listened to most of it before leaving for work today. Note the shoutout to Minnesota’s own Keith Ellison at then end of paragraph 9.

One part of his speach stood out, and drew much applause:

“Too many tears have flowed. Too much blood has been shed. All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together.”

Amen to that.

Abortion? Death penalty? Immunizations? Nope. This is the subject where no one seems able to keep cool when discussing. Also the only topic where extreme violence is seen as an acceptable answer and where people honestly cannot see what is really going on.

Can we just talk about Diablo Cody?

Well, some of the commentors on this site began a jihad against DC some time ago, so we may get more agreement talking about this topic than Ms. Cody.

I don’t know how one could ever clarify words like “kill men, women and children.”

We should just gather all the crazies together, give them some sticks and stones, and let them have at it with each other. Hopefully, they will cancel each other out until there are none left.

We should just gather all the crazies together.

Utah?

At least we know there is a “pro-Israel” policy you can criticize without being shouted down as anti-Semitic. I don’t think it’s an idea that will do much good for any of Abraham’s children in the long run.

Don’t speak so soon, champs. Dan Israel hasn’t jumped into the thread yet.

I look forward to seeing how one can “clarify” those comments to make them not fucking insane.

Comment like this don’t surprise me from either side. The hatred is so ingrained–it’s way beyond a land dispute. Even if Israel pulled completely out of the west bank tomorrow, I am skeptical that peace would ever occur.
I have a friend working a peace delegation over there right now–he’ll be back on june 8th. Can’t wait to hear from him how things are looking, and whether or not he sees any progress.
As much as I ‘d like for there to be peace over there, sometimes I think it is too late, and will simply never happen. Yay religion!

that was satire, right?

I’ve decided I’m an advocate for a one-state solution: make ‘em share. That’ll teach them to sort out their differences. I don’t think the United States should be in the business of supporting theocratic states. New rule: if we start, break, or fix other countries it should be only for the purpose of proper secular democracies.

I’ve always felt that the hatred and problems are so intractable, that if peace ever does happen, it really will seem like the second coming.

Screw peace. What about the turtles?

I would urge everyone to read the many responses from other rabbis to that same question on that same page. Most are compassionate, just, and filled with longing for peace.

People have noted that religion is behind Rabbi Friedman’s hate. Religion – belief in God and a reliance on thousands of years of law, study, and commentary — is also behind the other rabbis’ responses.

I would like to know what Dan Israel has to say about Diablo Cody.

If only everyone recoiled so forcefully at the actual killing of women and children, such as the Christmas time assault on Gaza.

I would like to know what Dan Israel has to say about Diablo Cody.

Now you’re talking, kurtis.

People have noted that religion is behind Rabbi Friedman’s hate. Religion — belief in God and a reliance on thousands of years of law, study, and commentary — is also behind the other rabbis’ responses.

Tricia, I don’t think any of us who find Rabbi Friedman’s words repulsive are necessarily opposed to religion. I think we recognize that it’s the dogma, not the faith, which fosters the violence.

It’s dogma that inspires Wahhabists to proclaim jihad; dogma that compels a Christian to murder a doctor; dogma that elicits from an Orthodox Jew a call for genocide.

I certainly don’t know about specific people, Noodleman, but I know that it’s easy to read those jaw-dropping, tear-inducing words and back away from — or stay away from — all religion. I’m tempted, myself. That’s why I really hope that people will read the other responses.

Agreed, on your separation of dogma from the rest of religion.

(One of my captcha words on this comment: El.)

I would say noodle, that it is more the interpretation of said dogma that inspires, compels, or elicits all these things, not the dogma itself.

“Tricia, I don’t think any of us who find Rabbi Friedman’s words repulsive are necessarily opposed to religion.”

….no comment

Why do one rabbi’s comments receive front page mention while the incitement, inflammatory, violent, hateful, eliminate-all-Jews remarks occurring in mosques all over the world on a daily basis are ignored? That doesn’t seem like impartial coverage to me.

For a very short history lesson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09pmTh64vD8

Islamic religious leaders say that Jews should be exterminated every single day. Jews in Palestine mandate from 1870-1929 provided economic opportunity for Arabs from that region to migrate and prosper. In 1948 the U.N. gave the Arabs billion of dollars which they could have used in order to build up their land. Instead, it went towards acquiring weapons to kill the Jews – terror attacks against Jewish men, women and children.

Eventually they tell a lie that Arabs had a country there and the Jews stole it. Take out your history books – any literate person can discover that “Palestine” did not exist and therefore could not have been stolen. It is about time more Jews face reality and stop believing that pandering to Islamic lies and feeding your unproductive, mortal Islamic enemies will earn you good will and security.

This medieval Islamic bigotry towards Jews will eventually cause Jewish extermination. The “Palestinians” are just finishing off what Hitler began. The odds against Jews is too great to be ignored and your enemies are educated to be hateful and suicidal and too many of you are not willing to do or say what it takes to survive, like the brave rabbi.

Why do one rabbi’s comments receive front page mention while the incitement, inflammatory, violent, hateful, eliminate-all-Jews remarks occurring in mosques all over the world on a daily basis are ignored?

Because the rabbi that said it was Minnesotan and not from all over the world. And he did it in an interview for the public to read.

Why do one rabbi’s comments receive front page mention while the incitement, inflammatory, violent, hateful, eliminate-all-Jews remarks occurring in mosques all over the world on a daily basis are ignored?

Are antisemitic comments really being ignored by the press? It seems like all you hear about Muslims is that they think Israeli Jews should be pushed into the sea.

If your question is why the rabbis comments are on this particular site, it is because he is a Minnesotan, and MnSpeak deals with Minnesota topics. There’s no hidden agenda; I myself am Jewish.

Ah, yes, the cut ‘n’ paste rant.

I would say noodle, that it is more the interpretation of said dogma that inspires, compels, or elicits all these things, not the dogma itself.

I guess what I mean by dogma IS the interpretation of any particular articles of faith.

Something like “Thou shalt not kill,” though, really doesn’t need any interpretation, does it? Nor does “love thy neighbor as thyself.”

Neither of the above do I consider to be religious dogma. What I do consider dogmatic is the bending of those rules to suit a personal purpose. “Thou shalt not kill” then means you can kill a doctor because someone has interpreted something in the Bible in a twisted way?

Dogma is hard and fast. It does not allow for change or growth. Dogma sits behind a stone wall, away from the sunlight, smothering itself in its own feces.

Well, maybe not the feces part.

no, feces is right.

I unequivocally condemn Manis Friedman’s repulsive remarks. They have nothing to do with Judaism.

I thought June was pretty good, even if Diablo Cody can get on my nerves.

Any other questions? Justpbob, I’d appreciate it if you’d let me weigh in on a topic in the future before you put words in my mouth or assume that you know how I feel about something, especially something as controversial as this. Your implication above that I would somehow endorse Friedman’s ugly remarks is rather offensive to me, to say the least. Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING I’ve ever said on here or publicly in any other forum in the past would indicate that I would support this kind of hateful message.

I meant to say “I thought JUNO was pretty good.” June ain’t bad either, as a month. And I liked June Cleaver. Nice mother to Wally and the Beav.

There ya go, Dan. Putting words into your own mouth.

Looks like Bob has a problem with one of our nation’s states, too.

My appologies to Dan Isreal, whom I did not mean to offend.

That said, Utah can bite me.

Took a vacation in Utah. Really liked the people. Very polite, like Minnesotans, but not as frivolous in comparison. The Mormans had large families, but all the kids behaved in the restaurants. They must be doing something right.

My cousin Mary Beth is a member of the Church of the Later Day Saints, and a resident of Utah. I think she will understand the context in which I snark.

She is likely to send me a Tweet later today telling me that Minnesota can bite her, too , and that anyone from Indiana (she’s a maryland girl) shouldn’t cast stones.

Utah wouldn’t be on my list of “terrorist-sympathizer” states.

Not letting people freely booze in bars without a sponsor is a terrorist action.

The bars aren’t worth drinking in anyway. They’re kinda dreary and there’s not a lot of conviviality.

It’s just not a drinking culture.

I fully accept and appreciate justpbob’s apology. Now who else can I pick a fight with? Mormons? Mitt Romney? Diablo Cody? Right-wing creationists? Left-wing anarchists? Rabbis? Imams? How ’bout aggressive drivers? We all hate them, right?

@Dan: People who don’t use their turn signals? Much worse than aggressive drivers because they’re so … so … so … inconsiderate!

@noodleman yeah, that burns me up! How about people who won’t let their kid get chemo? Can we argue about that too? Who’s in? Abortion! Abortion doctor killers! Gay marriage! C’mon, SOMEbody, start hurling invectives at me!

How about the Flying Imams? I say that because I just love that term — sounds like an old-timey circus act.

Baring that, Dan, you can say anything bad you want against the Dutch. Never trust the Dutch.

How about Dutch Flying Imams? Do they split the cost of the plane ticket?