Secrets of the City

You’d think the city was being run by an overreaching council and a blundering bureaucracy, the way they’ve been paying out settlements this week…

I looks like the city really messed up — again. While I sympathize with the neighbors, it sounds like Minnespolis failed to follow a sensible plan to work with Jeff (whom I know) to work out the reported problems associtated with the patrons of Gabby’s hip-hop nights.

The guy who owns the place is named Jeff?

Who’s Gabby?

The Rat always pictured Gabby talking about himself in the third person.

“Gabby’s gonna sue.” “Gabby ain’t gonna stand for this,”

Hofstede’s The Rat’s council member. She cost the city $201,000. She could be voted out of the game.

You should run against Hoftede, Rat.

 I don’t know who the original “Gabby” was, but I suspect from the caricature on the  bar’s sign (it’s on Marshall) that he looked a lot like film actor George “Gabby” Haynes.

Here’s a shot of their sign:

Why the Greydon Clark reference in the header? he appears to be a b-movie actor/director….

Oy Gabby had “hip-hop” nights? How come no one notified any of us hip-hop bloggers about this.

I think I’d have a problem instilling hope and change.

Greydon Clark was the director of “Satan’s Cheerleaders.” That’s all the clarification I need!

I think I’d have a problem instilling hope and change.

It’s a tough job. Plus, you would need to create a hand gesture that represents your campaign.

Sparber must have just seen “Satan’s Cheerleaders” and he has a couple synapses that are firing wrong again.

That would explain Max’s new musical play on the final days of Tiny Tim (grin).

From the articles I’ve read on this Jeff would not take any responsibility for what his patrons did once they left the property.

Drunk and pissing in the neighbors yard at 2 AM? That’s not my problem, I can’t control people once they leave my property.

I have seen “Satan’s Cheerleaders” so it would be my guess that Max has too. I’ve seen “Ninja Cheerleaders” too — for the record.

seems like this would be a great opportunity for a homeowner to take some video at 2am of the behavior. then deliver to fox 9 for a shocking report.

The late-night goings-on in these little neighborhood bars in Northeast is the subject at many-a neighborhood association meetings. Gabby’s isn’t alone in that regard.

true. some friends were none too thrilled when psycho suzies became popular. every weekend now there’s loud music at night, people urinating on their lawn, beer bottles everywhere. can’t beat city living.

With a max. capacity of 689 people, Gabby’s isn’t so little. It is much larger than other bars in the hood, like Dusty’s and the Sample Room.

I have heard that in its heyday, Gabby’s used to back ‘em in. Today it has the worn and shabby look of joint that has been riden hard and put away wet.

Maybe I’ll stop by tonight and say hey to Jeff and get his side of the story.

Max, the new headline doesen’t make sense!

(grin)

Cubbie, Psycho Suzie’s doesn’t serve bottled beer. But I can imagine that the noise and parking over flow is pretty nuts. I refuse to go there during the summer. I don’t really need to park 4 blocks away to go to a bar.

Those neighborhopds along Marshall are not the best kept up. Feels a little industrial, run down and ungentrified.

i know, dude. but sometimes people like to bring it with in the car. when you get there, you can’t go leaving an empty bottle in your car. so you throw it on the lawn.

oh, and i’m not implying it’s the bar’s responsibility to curb that behavior. they shouldn’t be held accountable for what people do when they’re not on the premises.

I’m guessing you don’t see the difference between what someone does before they enter your establishment and what they do after you have fed them 3-1’s for 4 hours.

People bring bottled beer in the car and then leave it on the lawn? For fucks sake that is stretching the bounds of imagination.

I’m guessing most of those beer bottles are from the guy on the porch with the dirty wife beater on.

Once again the right wing representitive will not admit they have made even the most minor error.

And then goes on to create an improbably story to cover up their fuck up. Is this a personality disorder?

I disagree to somewhat cubbie. If people bring their own alcohol in the car, and problems arise from that, no. But if the problems are arising from intoxicated people leaving the bar, then yes, they do bear some responsibility, and should be held accountable to some extent. There’s a fair amount of precedent: Dram shop laws, and most recently, the wave of “social host” laws that suburbs have been passing.

I feel the same way about litter that arises in the neighborhoods around fast food joints too.

Maybe part of the solution would be to do something like St Paul does around Grand Ave: Once you get some determined distance from the bar, make street parking in the evening to morning residential permit parking only.

Here’s a solution: If you don’t want to live around a bar, move. It wasn’t like you didn’t know it was there.

This is like people who move into the Nokomis neighborhood bitching about jet noise from the airport.

I bitch about the jet noise and I don’t live anywhere near Nokomis.

This makes me think of when that entertainment company took over Riverplace. It wasn’t like the residents didn’t know that it would be noisy and crowded, etc. What I don’t think they were counting on was the increasing number of people who peed and hurled anywhere they could; other than the restrooms. Funner.

Rat, many of hte complaints were coming from people living 4-5 blocks away from the place. I wouldn’t really consider 4 blocks away to be “living around a bar.”

In a place like NE, it’s might be difficult to find a place that isn’t within several blocks of a bar.

And finally, what’s so fucking difficult about a business owner being a good community member/neighbor and running his business in a manner that doesn’t create problems for the people in neighborhood?

As Dougie said: They’re YOUR patrons. The ones you’ve been selling alcohol to all night. Yes, you do bear some responsibility for their drunk and disorderly conduct.

(obviously, that statement isn’t directed a the rat, but the bar owners)

Cat raises a good point: People may buy a place near a business, one that they’re fine with, but down the road, that business may change, and cause problems that didn’t exist before.

Someone could buy a house in Blaine, and be fine with the size and amount of air traffic at the Blaine airport. They might have a legitimate complaint traffic tripled, or if it started servicing 747s.

Which makes me think of Grand Ole’ Days. When I first moved here it was a raucous, fun, party event and everyone who lived around there seemed to brace themselves for the “Event”.

Then the crackdown came.

So … did partiers get more disgusting over the years? Or was the patience of the residents’ just finally pushed to the edge? Or did we become less tolerant? Or did the drugs people took over the years make people more likely to puke and pee more?
Or are the crazy kids nowadays just wussy, can’t hold your drugs/booze kind of partiers?

Just askin’

Instead of more laws, why don’t we just learn to teach people how to be good citizens? E.g., how throwing empties on the lawn is not a good thing?

What would Michael Richards have to say about this?

We do know what Max’s response to any alleged Michael Richards opinion would be.

That’s getting a lot of traction. I guess a lot of people have been getting that awful little email forwarded to them.

“I feel the same way about litter that arises in the neighborhoods around fast food joints too.”

How about litter that arises from neighborhoods around schools?

According to Snopes that email existed long before M.R. was blamed.

That said, I think there’s room on the Internet for an Opposite Snopes to reinforce all Internet myths as truth.

I don’t need an Opposite Snopes to believe that there indeed was a diver scooped up and found in a tree.

It’s real. It happened.

There is an opposite Snopes already. It’s called every 60-year-old who has access to an email account.

I assumed the movie Urban Legends was a documentary. Don’t tell me I was wrong because they wouldn’t have made a movie about it if it all wasn’t real.

I hope to go on a racist tirade during my comedy routine (August 4, 8pm at ACME) and then have a racist email falsely attributed to me a year afterward.

/Gotta have dreams

The case got a mention in Minnesota Litigator.

@Max: It makes me sad that your statement is more true than not true:0(

On the other hand, I wish some of the e-mails were true, because I consistently win the lottery in the UK.

@Bix: I’m currently working on your e-mail. It should be ready to go weeks before your gig on the 4th.

“There is an opposite Snopes already. It’s called every 60-year-old who has access to an email account.”

Heh. So very true.

That’s getting a lot of traction. I guess a lot of people have been getting that awful little email forwarded to them.

@Max: The visibility might tie in more with the forthcoming Seinfeld “reunion” on Larry David’s “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” Nothing like a little mud to sully the reputation of a repentant racist.

@Bixby: Can we heckle you and then watch you burst into a racist tirade? Oh, wait. Only white people are racist.

How about litter that arises from neighborhoods around schools?

The school’s neighbors should pick up any litter that they’re leaving on the school grounds.

The scuba diver was dropped onto a burning house, not a tree!

There is an opposite Snopes already. It’s called every 60-year-old who has access to an email account.

Are you calling my aunt the opposite Snopes? Oh wait, she is the one that sent me a similar e-mail to the one mentioned.

I am reminded of the time I asked my mom on Mother’s Day, why there was no “Children’s Day”? Her reply, “Every day is children’s day…”

Gabby’s should hold a festival, the way Northfield does, to celebrate “Defeat of City Hall Days.”

Drink specials, a pig roast, beer tent, live music.

I’ll drop that in Jeff’s ear..

@justpbob: The patrons can also reenact the running of politicians out of town … with live ammo, as long as you have a conceal-and-carry license.

On horseback.

I think you are onto something, noodle.

What are the odds that Gabby’s patrons may be armed, on hip-hop or any other night?

I will continue with the myth, er, I mean reality, that it was a tree.

A TREEEE!

*thread derail alert*

Farrah Fawcett and possibly Michael Jackson in the same day? That would be weird.

/derail

As Dougie said: They’re YOUR patrons. The ones you’ve been selling alcohol to all night. Yes, you do bear some responsibility for their drunk and disorderly conduct.

but if the bar didn’t overserve them and they’re basically just being a-holes cuz they’ve had a couple drinks, it’s sat night, they’re young, etc…and they piss on a lawn 4 blocks away…well there’s not much the bar owner can do about that.

True to an extent, but I suspect the reality is that most of the people causing problems, at 2-3 AM, have had more than a “couple of drinks.”

One of the reasons I suggested that they should consider residential parking permits for areas like that.

Are residents charged for said permits?

i agree, residential parking permits is a good idea. if i was a resident, even if i had to pay a fee for the permit…man, it would be worth every penny to sit out there and watch the cars get towed that first week.

but the most obvious solution is to get maz to let all the air out of their tires.

I don’t know rat. Anybody know how St Paul does it around Grand Ave? Probably not any reason to charge anything other than perhaps a nominal cost to cover materials. It could maybe be managed by the neighborhood assoc.

cubbie, I don’t think his heart could take that amount of excitement.