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	<title>Comments on: Bleskashek: Down, but Not Out</title>
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		<title>By: scoste</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60150</link>
		<dc:creator>scoste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with that, as a former juror on a federal court trial, but in this case, there was no need for a jury becasue it never got that far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with that, as a former juror on a federal court trial, but in this case, there was no need for a jury becasue it never got that far.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60141</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;d do better instituting an intelligence test for jury duty.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;d do better instituting an intelligence test for jury duty.</p>
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		<title>By: the bard</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60130</link>
		<dc:creator>the bard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, we kill all the lawyers.</description>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60127</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole affectional-preference thingy is so loaded with danger in the legal world right now that Rybak&#039;s decision to keep her on as an employee but demote her is easily the most cost-effective &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; risk-averse move he could have made.  Sitting around with a bunch of lawyers a few weeks ago, all of whom regularly finance and supervise the defense of similar employment-context lawsuits, the consensus was that, if he could pull such a thing off and get Ms. B&#039;s sign-off on &quot;no future lawsuits by me against the City&quot;, he&#039;d be doing well.&lt;br /&gt;
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There&#039;s no guarantee that some whacko jury wouldn&#039;t decide that the City, and the Department, failed to understand the proper ways to utilize and protect and nurture the new lesbian-firefighter class, and so bear the blame for, not only the other employees&#039; &quot;damages&quot;, but for wrecking Ms. B&#039;s career and reputation.  &quot;Had these neanderthal City and firefighting employees not been such bigots in their degrading and unfair treatment of poor Ms. B, she would never have been so stressed and wearied as to have sought the comfort of emotional involvement with other workers!&quot;, would go the closing argument, and I&#039;ve seen &lt;strong&gt;lots &lt;/strong&gt;of money change hands on weaker words.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, if the City had to fight her in a public legal battle, just think how valuable the resulting deposition and court testimony transcripts would be for all of the firefighters who would be (will be anyway?) starting their own lawsuits against the City because of the &quot;harm&quot; they&#039;ve been forced to suffer at Ms. B&#039;s hands. (&quot;Hands&quot;?   Oh, nevermind . . .)  Their cases would be so much cheaper and easier to run, plus they&#039;d have probably more evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the City and Ms. B if both of those two entities were duking it out than they could likely get just questioning them on their own.&lt;br /&gt;
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Those employees are probably going to be suing the City anyway, but at least now  the City won&#039;t be paying bigbux lawyers to gather the information for the employees on the City&#039;s legal-fee dime.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fighting for principle is important, but not when it&#039;s going to cost a ton of public money to do it, and the only benefit you might see out of it is the warm and fuzzy feeling that you got to fire someone.  I could see this decision saving at least a few hundred thou (and, realistically, maybe a cool mil or so) of the City&#039;s money, and, at least I&#039;ve heard, they have other things they could spend it on.&lt;br /&gt;
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No, I can think of many reasons why Rybak isn&#039;t my choice of a leader, but this decision isn&#039;t one of them.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole affectional-preference thingy is so loaded with danger in the legal world right now that Rybak&#8217;s decision to keep her on as an employee but demote her is easily the most cost-effective <strong>and</strong> risk-averse move he could have made.  Sitting around with a bunch of lawyers a few weeks ago, all of whom regularly finance and supervise the defense of similar employment-context lawsuits, the consensus was that, if he could pull such a thing off and get Ms. B&#8217;s sign-off on &#8220;no future lawsuits by me against the City&#8221;, he&#8217;d be doing well.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no guarantee that some whacko jury wouldn&#8217;t decide that the City, and the Department, failed to understand the proper ways to utilize and protect and nurture the new lesbian-firefighter class, and so bear the blame for, not only the other employees&#8217; &#8220;damages&#8221;, but for wrecking Ms. B&#8217;s career and reputation.  &#8220;Had these neanderthal City and firefighting employees not been such bigots in their degrading and unfair treatment of poor Ms. B, she would never have been so stressed and wearied as to have sought the comfort of emotional involvement with other workers!&#8221;, would go the closing argument, and I&#8217;ve seen <strong>lots </strong>of money change hands on weaker words.</p>
<p>Plus, if the City had to fight her in a public legal battle, just think how valuable the resulting deposition and court testimony transcripts would be for all of the firefighters who would be (will be anyway?) starting their own lawsuits against the City because of the &#8220;harm&#8221; they&#8217;ve been forced to suffer at Ms. B&#8217;s hands. (&#8221;Hands&#8221;?   Oh, nevermind . . .)  Their cases would be so much cheaper and easier to run, plus they&#8217;d have probably more evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the City and Ms. B if both of those two entities were duking it out than they could likely get just questioning them on their own.</p>
<p>Those employees are probably going to be suing the City anyway, but at least now  the City won&#8217;t be paying bigbux lawyers to gather the information for the employees on the City&#8217;s legal-fee dime.</p>
<p>Fighting for principle is important, but not when it&#8217;s going to cost a ton of public money to do it, and the only benefit you might see out of it is the warm and fuzzy feeling that you got to fire someone.  I could see this decision saving at least a few hundred thou (and, realistically, maybe a cool mil or so) of the City&#8217;s money, and, at least I&#8217;ve heard, they have other things they could spend it on.</p>
<p>No, I can think of many reasons why Rybak isn&#8217;t my choice of a leader, but this decision isn&#8217;t one of them.  </p>
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		<title>By: scoste</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60117</link>
		<dc:creator>scoste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From watching WCCO last night, I see Bonnie used Jerry Burg as her lawyer.  He&#039;s a gay lawyer who I&#039;ve heard is quite a nasty guy to deal with in cases.  A former neighbor of mine used him a few years back to settle a sexual discrimination lawsuit against an employer downtown....and he won the case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From watching WCCO last night, I see Bonnie used Jerry Burg as her lawyer.  He&#8217;s a gay lawyer who I&#8217;ve heard is quite a nasty guy to deal with in cases.  A former neighbor of mine used him a few years back to settle a sexual discrimination lawsuit against an employer downtown&#8230;.and he won the case!</p>
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		<title>By: A Wise Man</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60115</link>
		<dc:creator>A Wise Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it weren&#039;t for Civil Service these people would all be on welfare.  They could not make it in the private sector.  Either way we end up taking care of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it weren&#8217;t for Civil Service these people would all be on welfare.  They could not make it in the private sector.  Either way we end up taking care of them.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60112</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cubbie, I&#039;m pretty sure that what would make us happy is very clearly laid out here. She should not be gathering tax dollars as wages, as she is a pervert and a criminal. If your boss started sexually assaulting you, stripping naked at work, and engaged in sexual relationships with every underling who would let her, do you think she&#039;d get a demotion?&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, notice that her &quot;apology&quot; is anything but. She mentions the &quot;appearance of impropriety,&quot; and that the *allegations* have damaged the department, but makes no actual statement of wrongdoing. For the last time people, just like saying &quot;I&#039;m sorry you were offended&quot;, it&#039;s not an apology unless you admit to doing something wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t know if I understand how this could be anything but cut-and-dried. I&#039;m pretty sure that when you fire someone for gross misconduct, sexual harassment (possibly assault), and many other offenses, that there would be no &quot;golden parachute&quot; anyways. Union contracts are ridiculous, but not that ridiculous, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cubbie, I&#8217;m pretty sure that what would make us happy is very clearly laid out here. She should not be gathering tax dollars as wages, as she is a pervert and a criminal. If your boss started sexually assaulting you, stripping naked at work, and engaged in sexual relationships with every underling who would let her, do you think she&#8217;d get a demotion?</p>
<p>Also, notice that her &#8220;apology&#8221; is anything but. She mentions the &#8220;appearance of impropriety,&#8221; and that the *allegations* have damaged the department, but makes no actual statement of wrongdoing. For the last time people, just like saying &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry you were offended&#8221;, it&#8217;s not an apology unless you admit to doing something wrong.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I understand how this could be anything but cut-and-dried. I&#8217;m pretty sure that when you fire someone for gross misconduct, sexual harassment (possibly assault), and many other offenses, that there would be no &#8220;golden parachute&#8221; anyways. Union contracts are ridiculous, but not that ridiculous, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: scoste</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60110</link>
		<dc:creator>scoste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, nice to hear that both Lilligren &amp; Remington felt the way they did!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, nice to hear that both Lilligren &#038; Remington felt the way they did!</p>
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		<title>By: grote</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60106</link>
		<dc:creator>grote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i forgot who said it here (Tom?) but MPLS has a weak mayor system, so RT is a perfect fit.&lt;br /&gt;
Bonnnie won&#039;t be wielding her firehose in public any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i forgot who said it here (Tom?) but MPLS has a weak mayor system, so RT is a perfect fit.<br />
Bonnnie won&#8217;t be wielding her firehose in public any more.</p>
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		<title>By: rosie</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9901#comment-60105</link>
		<dc:creator>rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Other council members joining Schiff for the settlement were Council President Barbara Johnson, Cam Gordon, Elizabeth Glidden, Scott Benson, Sandy Colvin Roy, Betsy Hodges and Don Samuels. Those against were Lisa Goodman, Diane Hofstede, Robert Lilligren, Paul Ostrow and Ralph Remington. &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;strong&gt;Lilligren and Remington both said Friday they wanted harsher discipline for Bleskachek, including her termination&lt;/strong&gt;. &quot;I thought we didn&#039;t go far enough,&quot; Remington said. &quot;Those of us who voted no were willing to roll the dice.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/462/story/893009.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;strib&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Other council members joining Schiff for the settlement were Council President Barbara Johnson, Cam Gordon, Elizabeth Glidden, Scott Benson, Sandy Colvin Roy, Betsy Hodges and Don Samuels. Those against were Lisa Goodman, Diane Hofstede, Robert Lilligren, Paul Ostrow and Ralph Remington. </p>
<p><strong>Lilligren and Remington both said Friday they wanted harsher discipline for Bleskachek, including her termination</strong>. &#8220;I thought we didn&#8217;t go far enough,&#8221; Remington said. &#8220;Those of us who voted no were willing to roll the dice.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/462/story/893009.html" target="_blank">strib</a></p>
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