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bob, we love you man, but what does the ALA have to do with Iraq? Or is this just on a personal level?

I’m trying to draw a line, and it looks like this:
ALA -> Air pollution -> Automobile emissions -> oil dependence -> Iraq

but that’s not exactly a very straight line.

Many of the Islamofascists are known smokers.

Will Cathy Wurzer ask someone to “get in on this”? Because every time she does I think of juveniles having pizza.

Who hired her?

I am going (after work) as “Just plain Bob,” not as a representative of the American Lung Association. However, tmay is right that you can draw some lines on auto emmisions.

vehicle emmisions -> air pollution -> lung disease -> cleaner air -> ALA

People can draw their own lines on the future of America in Iraq.

I <3 K Wurzer,
she is hawt

Iraq suxors

As far as this forum goes I predict it will be a few hours of anti-Bush/’Iraq is chaos’ mantra. Not that they’d be unjustified or wrong. But I’d be surprised if anyone who actually supports the war effort or the president shows up. Should be a fairly one-sided debate.

Report back to me on what you guys figure out, and a timeline for implementation!

It’s not cut and dried.

Low cost transportation -> personal and business mobility -> infusion of universities with best talent -> quickest development of cures for lung ailments in the world.

I pity the Iraqis the day after the U.S. leaves, I don’t care when that is. I don’t know if that supporting the war effort or not.

me too. As much as this war SUCKS, if we leave the country in complete chaos and civil war as it is now, it will not only come back to bite us in the arse in the form of extremism, but will re-inforce the notion that the USA does not stand up to it’s word. Plus, many more iraqis will be killed. the death rates will soar, even higher than they are now.

Our withdrawal will be viewed, no matter what, as a victory for jihad, and will be the body of their propaganda foe decades to come. So I think we need to make our exit slowly. No matter hwich way we look at it, we can’t really stay, and our it is goin to be messy when we leave.

I hope the people that encouraged this misguided effort are fucking learning something.

who needs a round table.

The trouble is, in order to have enough troops on the ground to act as the de facto police force, we would need literally hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Iraq — it can’t be done without instituting a draft. Which means it won’t happen.

I hope the people that encouraged this misguided effort are fucking learning something.

Yeah. Next time, just nuke the bastards.

That strikes me as trading one set of problems for another.

But I don’t know if you’re serious or just trying to yank peoples’ chains.

Yanking chains. He has nothing reasonable to contribute. There’s already 600,000 dead in Iraq; I think the Iraqi people have learned an important lesson from this war. Unfortunately, it’s not precisely the lesson we were hoping they would learn.

Is there really 600K dead from this war?

According to Johns Hopkins, yes.

I don’t believe that figure.

Their method was an extrapolation method, but they extrapolated a phenomenan (violence) which is not evenly distributed across Iraq.
It is concentrated in certain areas, and I’m not so sure that this was the best way to approach this…

for methodology:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6045112.stm

You’re not the only one questioning the methodolgy, but it seems to hold up.

well, the experts seem to agree with the results….
Maybe it is closer to the truth, but keep in mind the margin of error….

The lowest estimate of deaths is put at 392,979 and the highest at 942,636.

Reports of 20-100 (or more) civilians killed in insurgent/civil war activity are almost daily, so the 600,000 figure doesn’t seem implausible — and the US military never seems to be on the scene. Saddam Hussein is “disarmed” and out of power. Nobody saying “we can’t leave until the job is done” can explain what that means. Exactly what the hell are we doing there anymore?

BTW, there are at least 50,000 documented deaths attributed to combat in the war itself. Neither number takes note of somewhere near one million Iraqis thought to have simply fled the war for dubious national status in neighboring countries.

You know, I question that figure too. I’m absolutely convinced it was 427,000 dead, tops.

Any last minute thoughts? I’ll be leaving soon to get a good parking spot near MPR…

I Say: GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST FOR GOOD, AND LET THESE ROTTEN SAVAGES ANNILHATE EACH OTHER IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD OR PROPHET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RELIGION IS A CANCER TO SOCIETY!!

As Samwise the Hobbit said, “Well, I’m bacK.”

See link to MPR coverage of the event here.

There will be further discussion of this issue on MPR’s Midday program at 11 this morning followed by a broadcast of the Iraq roundtable at noon. Both will be on KNOW 91.1 FM in the Twin Cities and other stations throughout the region.