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Never mind. The American Hot Sausage has been deflated. I will try to find the cached version.

I don’t get it. What does sausage have to do with racism?

Now it says, “Thanks Tammy, you made us famous.”

Lee’s campaign cached a version of the site:

link

Does anyone think that American Hot Sausage is a strange name for a blog that would try to dispel African American stereotypes?

Post link updated.

See here for a response of sorts.

I listened to Ellison and Lee on KFAI. Lee was the only one who wasn’t racist. Al McFarlane kept saying “but what are you going to do for the black man” and she kept replying that she would do nothing for the black man, because she didn’t believe any minority deserved special treatment beyond what other minorities get.

No, no. Ellison is a great option guys. Great! This is going to work out just super – you watch.

Anyone know if Ellison has repudiated this?

Does he even know about it?

From Tammy Lee for Congress:

Press Conference Today at 4:00 pm

Cyber Investigator Links Racist Hate Site to DFL candidate for office and Ellison Supporter

(Minneapolis, MN)  Computer forensics legal expert and cyber investigator, Paul Luehr, a former federal prosecutor and attorney at Stroz-Friedberg, LLC has tracked the racist, hate website to a DFL candidate for local office.
This person is believed to be connected to the vicious, hate comments against Tammy Lee is someone who has been endorsed by Keith Ellison.

PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY AT 4 PM

TO EXPOSE CONNECTIONS TO DFL CANDIDATE

Location: Tammy Lee for Congress HQ

9 W. 14th Street (on 14th between LaSalle and Nicollet)

SPEAKERS: Paul Luehr, Former Federal Prosecutor; Tammy Lee, candidate for Congress

The hate site with links to the blog ‘American Hot Sausage’, is registered to Rahelio Soleil of Burnsville. A cyber investigator and attorney has uncovered enough links to believe Soleil is the pseudo name for a DFL candidate for local office in the 5th district.

The site, which is intentionally created to look just like Lee’s actual campaign web site and shows up prominently in a Google search of “Tammy Lee Congress” links to known white supremacist David Duke, the Ku Klux Klan, and other hate groups.

Links on Tammy Lee’s official site, including the volunteer sign-up, were changed on the racist site to read “Be part of our high-tech lynching! Sign up to volunteer and join our cross burning movement that starts in the 5th CD, but can sweep the nation.”

Press Conference? What a sad desperate attempt that only reinforces Tammy Lee is a racist twit.

Political Satire ain’t a crime…unless it’s committed against WHITE people.

How sick!

Boy there’s a lot of out-of-work humorists with too much time on their hands.

Actually, the basic problem was that the site wasn’t funny. It’s not as if Jonathan Swift were at work here…or even Art Buchwald.

To the contrary:

Voting Republican will not keep the DFL Negro candidate from getting elected – because there are not enough Republican votes to win. However, there are enough votes for a white woman with perfect teeth to win.

To get this country back on track, we need a little more Applebees and a little less Kentucky Fried Chicken – if you know what I mean!

Funny stuff!

The Ellison campaign headquarters just described the site as being “way, way, way over the line.” Apparently, Pulse was the first paper to contact them.

*cough*

I thought Tammy Lee was asian.

Actually, the basic problem was that the site wasn’t funny. It’s not as if Jonathan Swift were at work here…or even Art Buchwald.

H.L Meinken, too. It’s a new day and this is New Media. How cares about a buncha dead white guys?

The person who is loud and forceful in the moment carries the day.

I thought Asian was the new white.

I’m glad on the day before elections we’re talking about who is more racist and whether or not there should be a satirical web site calling a candidate racist.

I hate those boring discussions about issues.

No, really.

Ok, then Dick Gregory. He was funny.

I’m sure he could have come up with some funny stuff about Ellison’s wanting to make it ok to make false police brutality reports.

The disgusting misogyny and blatant bigotry (often, pure anti-Semitism – no, not “criticism of Israel”, real-live Jew-hatred) on display at American Hot Sausage has been appalling – for a while now.

This is nothing new – but what is new is the possibility that “Rahelio Soleil” is a real live candidate for office who has been endorsed by Ellison.

That’s some serious shit, if it’s true.

What issue concerns you, King James?

a discussion of transportation, alternative fuels and the environment would be more worthwhile than how racist of full of hatred a candidate is, but those are dull topics, evidently. you folks have fun with your she said/he said finger pointing.

Quote from American Hot Sausage:

“Are they saying this is untrue? Tammy Lee does not have a v*gina? Folks, this could be groundbreaking. Could this be the historic emergence of a shem*le candidate that social conservatives have warned about for years. If so, we might be inclined to switch our votes from Ellison. Certainly a black Muslim is trumped in political correctness by a shema*e “little person.”

Is this the kind of rhetoric that Keith Ellison supporters want to be associated with? Is it OK to demean and denigrate a woman running for office like this? Is a white woman who campaigns against a black Muslim man “racist” for simply running against him and criticizing him on the issues?

Is it OK to demean and attempt to humiliate a white woman candidate (with misogynist language) if her opponent is a black man?

If you look at how women around the world are treated, especially in war zones, where rape is a sickeningly-common “weapon of war”, (and how about right here in America, where domestic abuse and sexual assaults on women are far too common?), can you reasonably conclude that only black Muslim men have it “tough” in this world?

Yes, of course, black people and Muslims are discriminated against – it’s stomach-turning and I condemn every last instance of it. But women are “fair game” now for slurs and insults and derogatory language? That’s what American Hot Sausage certainly implies, if not outright states.

Is this what the Far Left has come to? Misogyny and anti-Semitism are OK now?

I’ll be over in the corner, throwing up.

The Ellison campaign responds.

Has anyone actually said this is okay, Dizzy? The Ellison campaign has denounced it. I know you have a hard on to get the guy, but this is a total non-starter as an issue.

I thought Tammy Lee was asian

Talk about your racist stereotypes!

Um, yeah, if you hop around the local blogosphere, a LOT of left-wing bloggers link approvingly to American Hot Sausage.

I know it may not be the biggest campaign issue, but it’s illustrative, to me, of the complete lack of a moral compass that has started to afflict the Far Left.

The Far Right no longer has a monopoly on bigotry. That’s my point, and I trust you know how to use Google Blog Search, so do a search there for American Hot Sausage and THEN tell me that nobody supports him.

In fact, the City Pages Blotter put an approving link to American Hot Sausage up a couple months ago.

It’s become fashionable on the Far Left to spew this kind of hate rhetoric. Yes, it’s protected free speech, but that doesn’t mean I can’t call it for what it is: hate.

you folks have fun with your she said/he said finger pointing.

I bet he’s off to find a discussion on alternative fuels and the environment

Is this what the Far Left has come to? Misogyny and anti-Semitism are OK now?

Well…ask Borat!
Number One Movie in America!

Very Nice!

Somebody give poor Dizzy a tissue…

Here’s one link:

http://mplsupsidedown.blogspot.com/2006/11/of-tammy-timmy-and-pastor-ted.html

I trust your Googling skills to find others….there are plenty to choose from.
American Hot Sausage is actually a favorite blog among local Far Lefties.

So don’t tell me nobody supports that kind of rhetoric – the local blogosphere is a veritable echo chamber for that kind of Far Left-based hatred.

I actually find it pretty indicative of the type of people Ellison supports and vice versa…no surprise given his history.

I finally have made up my mind who to vote for in this race. I can’t get myself to vote Republican like I used to this election…they focus far too much on social issues that I disagree with their position on (gay marraige, stem cell, etc) and are not about cutting spending anymore. I will vote for T-Paw since he kept the lid on spending and new taxes. I think it is funny that the Dem’s say property taxes are up, but support a candidate who won’t put a cap on them (probably so they can remain at the same levels while they go ahead and raise income taxes too). That rambling aside I’m voting for Tammy Lee because she is much more moderate than the candidate the extreme liberal’s put up — Ellison. He’s scary…luckily he would have no power and hold no weight in Congress if he does get elected.

Well, the blogosphere is full of loonies, ain’t it? The point is, Ellison has no substantive link to the site, so how is this an issue?

Press Conference? What a sad desperate attempt that only reinforces Tammy Lee is a racist twit.

How sick!

Raindog, do you have some sort of proof that Tammy is a racist, or is this just another non-sensical anti-authoritative hippy rant of yours?

The website wasn’t even funny.

I didn’t say it necessarily affected the outcome of this race….I just ask myself again and again how it came to this: many on the Far Left turn a blind eye to woman-hatred and Jew-hatred.

Borat is played by a devout Jew who’s proud of being a Jew and supports Israel and lived in Israel. I don’t need a tissue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacha_Baron_Cohen

I’m very proud of Sacha Baron-Cohen – and the 800 zillion other Jews who make you laugh, produce some of the best rock and roll, have written some of the best books, have won a ridiculously disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes, etc. etc.
Most of them support Israel strongly. The vast majority of them would take great exception to the Israel-bashing and Jew-bashing that goes on in Far Left circles these days.

Maybe you should read this piece by a writer for the Ali G show who said exactly the same shit I’m saying about the new trendy kind of anti-Semitism:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2312891,00.html

Ellison is guaranteed a role as back-bencher if he’s elected.

How long has Dennis Kucinich been in Congress? Think he’ll get any power if the Democrats take over? Not likely.

800 zillion? Wow — we’ve really made a comeback since the 40s! We were down to about 18 million.

luckily he would have no power and hold no weight in Congress if he does get elected.

The same can be said for your influence here…or anywhere else for that matter!

.. if you hop around the local blogosphere, a LOT of left-wing bloggers link approvingly to American Hot Sausage.

A lot? I count 187 links to the American Hot Sausage blog at Typepad … which, ironically, now only allows for ID/Password sign-in. Why would “a LOT” of bloggers link to anything that is so user-unfriendly that it requires an ID and password?

Hyperbole, Dizzy. You’re full of hyperbole.

And then there’s this endorsment from the Alan Fine web site from the Sausage man himself:

“‘I trust he is smart and that his motives are pure’ – Reverend Rahelio Soleil, main contributor to American Hot Sausage: A Progressive Democrat-leaning Blog. Posted July 14, 2006. Rahelio Soleil is a extremely liberal commentator and a regular contributor to City Pages, the Rake, The New Black Magazine.

The Tammy Lee campaign has named Chris Stewart, DFL endorsed candidate for the Minneapolis School Board as the author of the “spoof” page in question. I just called Chris Stewart and spoke to him. He refused to answer my question as to whether he had written the site. A simple yes or no question and he refused to answer. He referred me to his campaign manager. I am waiting for her return call.

My mind is made up, the voters will speak, and in two years we’ll hear all the same charges repeated when Mike Erlandson tries to get the nomination again.

Well Chris Stewart just earned my vote!

Dizzy – seriously -are you for real? You’re a Jew who hates Blacks. If that isn’t some satircal cliche’ bit than I don’t know what!

And now all you reactionary, kneejerk racists are gonna sit and crow about how Ellison will have NO POWER.

Is that why you are voting for Tammy Lee? So she can have zero impact?

Enjoy your Bitter Fiesta on Tuesday.

The Truth marches on…

The Allen Fine Institute for the Study of Domestic Violence.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That just made my day.

Raindog, can I get the Bitter Fiesta with chicken or just beef?

Sorry! All we have is Tofu, zenrhino.

Eat it. You’ll love it. And it’s good for you!

Or we also have Bald Eagle.

>>American Hot Sausage… now only allows for ID/Password sign-in. >>Why would “a LOT” of bloggers link to anything that is so user->>unfriendly that it requires an ID and password?

The ID/Password sign-in thing is brand new since Sausage-gate broke this afternoon.

By the way- I’m supporting Tammy Lee, largely because she is the moderate candidate. Someday, if we ever get it together, a moderate majority can take back control from the Right/Left extremes. This is a call for the ALL Moderates to Vote for Tammy Lee on Tuesday. I encourage Alan Fine supporters to move towards the center and Vote for Tammy Lee on Tuesday. I encourage Keith Ellison supporters who value the importance of independence and moderatism to make a bold statement with a Vote for Tammy Lee on Tuesday. I’m sick of political extremes being forced upon us by Far Right and Far Left influences.

My mind is made up, the voters will speak, and in two years we’ll hear all the same charges repeated when Mike Erlandson tries to get the nomination again.

Ellison will have done many new stupid things by then. This ain’t Barack Obama.

I’m sick of political extremes being forced upon us by Far Right and Far Left influences.

Welcome to Minnesota: Home of Keith Ellison and Michele Bachmann.

Tbar, it’s also home to Tim Penny, Collin Peterson, David Minge — all bluedog democrats.

I will agree however, that it’s too bad the Michelle Bachmanns and Wendy Wildes get the recognition.

Raindog, I loves me some tofu, too. Nothing better than twice fried pork with chunks of extra-firm tofu in there. Mmm!

So if a Minneapolis school board candidate is under suspicion of posting a fradulent and hate-filled website about a candidate for Congress why do I have to read 60 posts on an obscure local website to find out about it?

Thanks again, The Media. Buncha whores all o’ ya!

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MNSpeak was less obscure when Rex was here…

I think the extremists make themselves look pretty bad all on their own – just look at the reactionaries who scream bloody murder anytime somebody posts something moderate and sensible on this board.

Michelle Bachmann and Keith Ellison….birds of a feather.

We’ll be known as the state with the crazy Far Right bigot congresswoman and the state with the crazy Far Left bigot congressman.

Maybe they ought to think about redrawing congressional districts for a little more balance? This is what happens when districts get gerrymandered to serve the interests of party – not of the people.

The intolerance that sways a few nutcases on the extremes is taking over the sensible middle in our society. I say it’s time we took our country back. I have walked by anti-gay rallies at our state capitol and wanted to scream at the top of my lungs “You f*cking Nazis! Screw you!”
I have walked by anti-war protests in Uptown where Israel was being vilified far beyond any rational criticism of Israel (and, hmm, where were the protesters who deplored North Korea’s human rights record? Egypt’s? They get $3 billion a year from the US – where’s the outrage on that? Saudi Arabia?) – and I’ve wondered, how did anti-Semitism come into vogue in the once-tolerant Left?

Take America back from these as*holes. Say no to all forms of bigotry – the Bachmann variety AND the Ellison variety.

Take a stand, people – your country is being stolen from you by the crazies of the Far Left and Far Right. The world is being run into the ground by the extremists.

So if a Minneapolis school board candidate is under suspicion of posting a fradulent and hate-filled website about a candidate for Congress why do I have to read 60 posts on an obscure local website to find out about it?

Because the MSM has news cycles. All the tv stations were at the Tammy Lee press conference, so there might be something at 10.

We’ll also be known as the state of the ENDLESSLY WHINING DIZZY.

Do us all a favor bro — MOVE!

Ahem, What is it that makes Ellison so dangerously extreme again to be mentioned in the same vein as michele bachmann? Is it the fact that he was radical and held some wrong views when he was young, or the fact that he’s a “black muslim”? From some of these posts it seems to me the Lee “satire” was an overblown caricature of sentiments (albeit milder) held by some of you here.

secondly let’s not get caught up in a discussion of Israel’s merits….and be careful not to confuse anti-semitism with deep resentment of Israel’s policies regarding the annexation and colonization of Palestinian and Arab land.

Name a moderate who ever changed the world. “Moderates” are people who have neither vision nor principle.

Take a stand, people – your country is being stolen from you by the crazies of the Far Left and Far Right. The world is being run into the ground by the extremists.
What an idiotic statement.

Since the Right Wing Zealots CONTROL everything n this country:

Presidency, Congress, Supreme Court

let’s blame THEM for putting this country in the shitter.

The Left is guilty of being a NON-FACTOR.

That is all.

“”Moderates” are people who have neither vision nor principle.”

Well, chalk me up for agreeing with Maza.

The idea that moderates are somehow right by virtue of being moderate assumes that we’re doing more or less the right thing already. Not last time I checked.

The moderates are the ones that do the heavy lifting after the extremists fuck everything up. For example, Churchill, FDR, Earl Warren, MLK, Nelson Mandela, Gorbachev, and so on, to name but a few. Neither vision nor principle? Surely you jest.

Closed circuit to the MNSpeak nutcases: whatever.

Anyway, Ellison did endorse Chris Stewart, aka American Hot Sausage’s “Rahelio Soleil”:
http://betterminneapolis.com/blog1/2006/05/05/rep-keith-ellison-endorses-chris-stewart/

Well if that didn’t prove that Stewart did it….

A lesson in basic logic for Dizzy, since the nonesense in his comments is making me dizzy:
Ellison supporting Stewart does not mean Ellison supports everything the man does, including but not limited to: what he eats, what he does with his free time, who he dates, what movies he likes, or even what inappropriate satire he writes. If you don’t have proof Ellison supports this website, i’d urge you to relax. Also, if Ellison’s support of stewart (or vice-versa) upsets you so much, first formulate a coherent reason why, and then I would urge you to strongly consider not voting for Stewart or Ellison. cheers!

brian, your assertion that MLK, Mandela, Gorbachev, and FDR were moderates is laughable. all were considered radical liberals of their time, and are now only accepted by the mainstream because history has shown that theire actions were correct. in the future, the same will be true of many progressives vilified as “extremists” now. the labels “moderate” and “extremist” are not objective, they change over time and according to circumstance, but Mazasapa is right, the ones who have created what we regard now as positive change were considered left wing extremists in their time, NOT moderates.

This site was better when the election wasn’t here. A 40-way pissing contest is just a room full of urine.

Churchill, FDR, Earl Warren, MLK, Nelson Mandela, Gorbachev, and so on, to name but a few. Neither vision nor principle? Surely you jest.

Surely you jest if you think these people were “moderates.”

There have obviously been times in history when one needed to be “extreme” for that given time period in order to do great things.

Moses and Jesus were both “extremists”.

The problem is that, right now, extremists tend to be people who advocate intolerance and violence in order to achieve their aims. Extremism hasn’t always been a bad thing – but clearly, at this particular time in history, the moderates are the ones who are resisting the intolerance and violence of both religious and secular extremists.

By the way, I really like the term “Sausagegate.”

And also, by the way, I understand the distinction between Ellison endorsing Chris Stewart as a candidate as opposed to endorsing his private blogging activities. However, given Keith Ellison’s long pattern of associating with and supporting individuals of questionable (to say the least) character, I think it’s plenty relevant to note that he endorsed Stewart’s run for office.

Can we count on Keith to continue associating with individuals of questionable character in Congress? Goodness knows, there are plenty of such individuals in Congress.

Do Ellison supporters not at least acknowledge that discretion hasn’t exactly been Keith’s forte?
I mean, forget the hate groups – anybody who lets 37 parking tickets pile up and gets his license suspended for it isn’t exactly “on the ball”. Not to mention “forgetting” to pay your taxes so many times that they put a lien on your home.

How’s Keith gonna respond to 500,000+ constituents if he can’t be bothered to sweat the not-so-small stuff in his own personal life?

Look @ Dizzy’s last 50 comments. Homeboy needs an intervention. At least Raindog & Maz can shift focus once in a while. I can’t wait for tomorrow to be over.

You won’t have ol’ Dizzy to kick around after tomorrow.

I’ll probably leave y’all alone for a while. Probably.

It’s been nice kicking up some dust in this place. Somebody had to.

This site was better when the election wasn’t here. A 40-way pissing contest is just a room full of urine.

Politics, Politics, Politics fiddle-de-de.

Let’s just talk about the latest trend band, and finding the best knish in town.

What the hell’s a knish anyway?

Of course Dizzy will be gone tomorrow; the Fine campaign won’t have any more money then to pay people to endlessly repeat one insipid talking point a thousand times on local Web pages.

balance, rat, balance. i’m feeling a munchie attack coming on, and you just reminded me that there are knishes in the freezer.

I can’t believe The Rat hasn’t had a knish yet.

Go to Cecil’s, Rat; live a little.

So after tomorrow, can we please go back to talking about hipsters, rock and roll, and the romance and mystery of American trademark law???

I thought it was Byerly’s for knishes sparber.

“”"Moderates” are people who have neither vision nor principle.”

Well, chalk me up for agreeing with Maza.”

He’s right and he’s wrong. A partisan will put winning ahead of principle when it’s necessary.

Most of the time, it’s necessary.

Byerly’s for frozen knishes.

“”Moderates” are people who have neither vision nor principle.”

There is a huge majority that disagree with the prevalent extremists and pedagogues on both sides who slander, defame and misinterpret the views of the extremists on the other side for their own political gain. The vast majority (I think) of those who dislike the prevalent politicians aren’t really moderates. It’s a shame that they get treated and dismissed as such by, well, by yet another group of extremists. You see, that group does have very strong beliefs. Theses “moderates” are really extremists in their own right.

They include “moderates” that are extremely in favor of politicians who are more interested doing what they think is right than what will get them more political power or a chance at higher office or more interest from lobbyists. Some of these “moderates” are extremely in favor of not running irresponsible deficits. Some of them are extremely in favor of politicians who actually debate their views, rather than intentionally misstating their opponents views while avoiding debating issues. Some of these “moderates” are generally conservatives, but “conservatively” don’t want their government fighting preemptive wars. Some of these “moderates” are generally liberal, but “liberally” want their government to intervene in genocide in Africa. Some of those “moderates” are even in favor of candidates who will actually act in a pro-life manner, rather than just say that they will to get votes while controlling the entire federal government for 6 years and not managing to even outlaw partial birth abortion in many cases…something they could easily do. And some of those “moderates” are interested in the government raising taxes, say to improve the transportation system, and can’t find anyone, not even a extreme, tax-and-spend, liberal democrat, who is unafraid to do the same.

You see, these “moderates” aren’t all moderates. They are almost all extremists in one way or another. They are labeled “moderates”, but that is because the news media and bipartisan establishment and the popular culture finds it easier to label every on a continuum from liberal to conservative rather. If you talk to them, really talk to them rather than assuming you know what they think or mocking their views without even listening, you will find at least some topic which they have extreme feelings about. You can’t lump them together, because they all have different, often “extreme”, priorities. Calling them moderates is dismissive and insulting, and it is the reason that the popular “extremists” can’t sway the “moderates” in any real lasting manner….the “extremists” don’t care about anyone who hasn’t drank the partisan koolaid and aligned themselves with a one of two popular slates of ideas from A to Z. All they can do is temporarily sway some of those “moderates” into believing that one particular extremist is the lesser of two evils in one particular race.

Either that or else the moderates are just indecisive, spineless, mindless sheep….I can’t decide….I’m just a moderate.

Once again people:

“YOU CAN’T BE NEUTRAL ON A MOVING TRAIN”

-Howard Zinn

“Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice … moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” – B. Goldwater

You guys are totally missing the point. Those seeking significant change or progress are not necessarily extremists, although their opponents will almost always attempt to portray them that way. The fact that, say, Earl Warren’s views regarding equal protection and due process have prevailed and endured is due, in no small part, because they were not extreme.

You can if you walk in the opposite direction that the train is moving, and at the same speed.

The fact that, say, Earl Warren’s views regarding equal protection and due process have prevailed and endured is due, in no small part, because they were not extreme.

The U.S. Constitution is an extremist document. The Declaration of Independence is the most extreme document ever.

The Declaration of Independence is the most extreme document ever.

What? I take it you’ve never read The Scum Manifesto.

Raindog lives! heh

Alan Fine’s sure going to be pissed at me and withhold my “paycheck” when he finds out I’ve been actively campaigning for his opponent, Tammy Lee.

Maz is a moderate fascist.

“Name a moderate who ever changed the world. “Moderates” are people who have neither vision nor principle.“

– - -

But they do make the trains run on time.

(Does everything always need to be changed?)

.

Wow, you all have given an awful lot of time to Rahelio. Far more time than he is worth, that’s for sure. You must remember, this is the same guy whose claim to fame is his weekly feature “Coon of the week” where he tears down prominent blacks with whom he disagrees.

Rahelio Soleil is a sleaze and is the lowest form of scum on the internet. Everyone would be better off not even recognizing this piece of trash.

Reading all these comments reminds me of this ongoing notion I have – limosine liberals are more concerned about being cool and snide than they are about improving society.

So if a Minneapolis school board candidate is under suspicion of posting a fradulent and hate-filled website about a candidate for Congress why do I have to read 60 posts on an obscure local website to find out about it?

Because the MSM has news cycles. All the tv stations were at the Tammy Lee press conference, so there might be something at 10.

Getting back to kwatt’s comment, (and mine) above, he was right. No mention that I could find on any local news site about the racist spew from Chris Stewart. Lame, very lame. Lame even by Star Tribune lame standards.

Reading all these comments reminds me of this ongoing notion I have – limosine liberals are more concerned about being cool and snide than they are about improving society.

Yeah. And what an ORIGINAL notion that is.

Do you figure out what you are going to eat every day based on KKKarl Rove’s Talking Points?

Reading your post, I am struck by this notion: Most republicans are selfish pigs who care only about themselves and would prefer to see society fall into chaos and despair rather than having to trouble themselves – or their pocketbooks- with changing it.

Why would the StarTribune start reporting honestly and completely now about the 5th District race?

They haven’t done anything of the kind up to this point.

The fact that reporter Rochelle Olson constantly repeated Ellison’s claim of an “18-month” involvement in the Nation of Islam – a baldfaced lie easily debunked by the PiPress – is all you need to know.

The Strib has run cover for Ellison from Day One. Come on, Nick Coleman said it best: if you dare to point out anything problematic about Ellison’s behavior or associations, you’re a racist!

It’s interesting that Rahelio turned out to be Chris Stewart – I was reasonably sure it was Nick Coleman.

Finally, in response to all the disturbingly biased phony-baloneys at the StarTribune, I issue this quote from Pink Floyd’s “Animals” album:

“Ha ha, charade you are!”

I’ll miss dizzy.

Dizzy, email me re: rahelio.

jimdubba-u@hotmail.com

Jesus Christ…when did the assholes from Anti-Strib start infiltrating?

I guess they got bored of patting themselves on their collective backs since they have a readership of like 8 people.

“I’ll miss Dizzy”

thanks…though you were being highly sarcastic, I actually think you will

I’m not a troll – I’m not a nutcase – I’m just an intelligent person who strongly disagrees with you.

You should welcome that kind of debate, rather than just having an echo chamber that never wavers from the party line.

anyone that quotes Pink Floyd is okay with me

I’m just an intelligent person who strongly disagrees with you.

That’s the definition of a troll on this site.

You’re not a troll. You’re an idiot.

Dizzy, I would ave taken you more seriously had you, at any point, participated in any discussion at all. Instead, you’ve been like some bizarre record player caught in a groove, endlessly repeating the same two or three points over and over again, as though, by sheer force of repition (with each post getting pregressively longer), you could make these points important. When asked to discuss any of the actual issues on the table, you demurred. And you’ve basically told us that after tonight, you won’t be participating in this site anymore. That’s not a member of a community. That’s a robot programmed to say one thing. And that sort of behavior is notoriously unpopular on discussion forums.

G-d forbid I should be “unpopular” on a discussion forum.

One man’s broken record is another man’s truth-telling. Sometimes you have to repeat yourself to be heard – especially when the BS is as thick as it can be sometimes on MNSpeak.

By the way, I’m not a robot – I’m half-man, half-robot – Mr. Roboto. “I am the modren man (secret secret, I’ve got a secret)….with parts made in Japan (secret secret, I’ve got a secret).”

“I’m KILROY. KILROY. KILROY.”

No. When it’s endless repitions, it’s not unpopular — it’s uncivil. Seriously — get your own fucking blog, or become a member of this community and participate in some other conversations. Nobody requested a jukebox stuck on the Republican party’s Ellison hit list, and, as far as I can tell, there’s no evidence that you have access to some non-bullshit truth that MnSpeak desperately nees to learn. We’ve heard what you have to say on this subject — do you have anything else to say? Anything at all?

If not, give it a rest. Ellison won. He’ll either live up to my expectations or down to yours.

I’ve been participating in numerous other discussions, actually – in fact, most of which involve me bashing Pawlenty extensively. Quite the loyal Republican I am!

I have a lot more to say. If you want to restrict my access to MNSpeak, then do so. I have far more to say than some of the idiot trolls that post foul-mouthed nonsense on every thread. But they’re just peachy. I’m the problem.

I was and am angry about Ellison. You and others post endlessly about how much you hate Bush and the Republicans in general and are angry at them (I don’t necessarily disagree, by the way). That’s fine. But me, I’m just “repetitive”. Double standard.

But my anger isn’t just at Ellison or Pawlenty or the Evil Queen Michele Bachmann. I hate them all, but the whole Ellison issue is something larger for me – the realization that a great many of my friends and associates and fellow posters on MNSpeak honestly don’t believe our way of life is threatened by radical Islam. That’s not some “peripheral issue” – it’s the fundamental issue that our generation is grappling with – or is going to have to grapple with in the future. Dismiss me if you want. I’ll unfortunately be proven right. They have declared war on us and most of us think it’s a big joke. It’s not. They’re serious.

Frankly, I’m not all that interested in commenting on chatty subjects about favorite restaurants in the Twin Cities and such – didn’t know that was a requirement. For a site that encourages free expression, you sure seem to have a lot of “rules” about how one should go about expressing oneself “freely” here.

If your goal is to kick me off MNSpeak, fine. I’ll leave. I won’t post here anymore. I guess free speech is only for those who agree with you, huh?

So tolerant. So progressive. So utterly full of shit.
I’m tired of taking crap from you for speaking my mind. It IS called “MnSpeak”, isn’t it? Whatever, dude. I’m out of here. See ya. Go back to your little comfy world where everybody agrees with you and the only ones who don’t are crazed lunatics who are easily laughed off and ridiculed by the rest of your in-crowd hipster echo chamber. Just remember, there’s a whole big world out there with people who have different opinions than you, and the more you keep those people marginalized at MNSpeak, the more insular and uninteresting MNSpeak will be.

Have a nice life. I’ll anticipate your final insult to me by saying that no, I won’t let the door hit my ass on the way out. I never do.

I can’t control whether or not you post here, and if you have something new to say, I’m happy to hear it.

Go ahead and google my posts. I don’t endlessly troll with mean-spirited comments about Republicans, and usually only engage in those discussions when I have some new facts to contribute, or to refute factual errors. I have no patience for trolling from either party, and have cerainly taken my cracks at raindog, as have other people on this site.

I’m not encouraging you to leave. I’m encouraging you to stay and become a member of the community.

Dizzy….check this out.

Hey, take it easy on the Diz. Dizzy is a poor patch on Raindog when it comes to being ridiculously repetitively repulsively annoying. Let’s face it, we’ve all become a bit repetitive around here the last few months.

So, to sum up the last few months:

Raindog hates Bachmann.

Dizzy thinks Ellison is dangerous. Dizzy also thinks the Strib is a crappy newspaper. One out of two aint all that bad.

Max thinks Dog and Diz are both idiots, but will cut Dog some slack because she likes Ellison.

I don’t think Ellison is dangerous, because it’s not like he’s ever going to get access to intelligence data and nobody in Washington except his fellow blowhards on the judiciary committee will have to listen to him. (Can you believe he asked to be on the judiciary committee, btw? What about something that matters to Minnesota, like transportation or agriculture?)

Maza, despite his lack of research and a propensity to lift his talking points and lines straight from Rush, is at least sincere, and for the most part, cordial.

Bud’s funny.

g rote’s funnier though.

The whole damn country has been in a dark cloud for a long time now. We’re in a war, for heaven’s sake, and except for the explosions, the whole country’s been acting like Shiites and Sunnis.

Hey, we just had an election. We’ll have an orderly transition to a new government, and god willing, to some end to the war, sometime sooner rather than later.

Americans have just shown themselves to be mostly good, albeit a little slow on the uptake. Let’s try to act like we can have a civil discussion, even if it’s just an act.

Now back to our regularly scheduled vitriol.

Here! Here! TBartel

But saying Bud is “funny” is a stretch…at best.

Bud is funny.

In the head.

…

Because he’s crazy.

Oh I get it. He’s not Funny “haha” he’s Funny like ~~weird~~.

I gotcha. Like John Wayne Gacy.

Anyone wanna go in on a Smitten Kitten Gift Certificate for Michelle Bachmann with me? There’s a few items there I think she definitely could use.

Now back to our regularly scheduled vitriol.

We’ll have an orderly transition to a new government, and god willing, to some end to the war, sometime sooner rather than later.

See, this is what depresses me. The american people, thrugh their votes for the democrats, have decided once again that they’re more interested in ending the war than in winning it. Vietnam redux. Kinda rubs me the wrong way, but I don’t expect you youngsters to either get it or care. Bartel should know better.

Oh, we get it. The war can’t be won.

The war can’t be won.

Well then good luck explaining your puppet to the taliban.

Uh-huh.

Fucking troll.

Few people truly aspire to be defined by their ethnic or religious background. For those that want to be defined this way, do the titles of African Americans, Native Americans, Caucasians, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, make people brim with pride when members of their particular affiliated groups speak loudly, and hatefully, about others? Too many of us still define ourselves this way.

Others of us want to be defined as a man, a woman; a human being who ultimately aspires to fairness, justice, integrity, and equality. We want to see this world become a better place for our loved ones, for those we know, and those we disagree with too.

A person who has integrity models it in private, just as much as they act-out in public. Chris Stewart says his spoof Tammy Lee website was meant only for his friends and him to view. The behaviors chosen and manifested in private often are windows to the real soul within. Closet bigotry cloaked as satire is still bigotry – and it knows no race, religion, or gender boundaries.