Secrets of the City

Do these RedState folks hate transit simply because they think it costs more than roads? Or maybe it’s because the “darkies” use it?

Neither. It’s a metaphor for ideology. Mass transit is just another example of the collectivists’ preference for a controlled environment (limiting your travel via train tracks or pre-determined routes) and their need to be surrounded by plenty of other people (part of the safety in numbers mindset).

Individualists, on the other hand, greatly prefer the freedom and independence that the auto provides, uninhibited by a track or pre-determined route or destination. It’s a similar contrast to why collectivists live in the city and individualists live in the country.

This difference in the citizenry would be fine if it weren’t for the collectivists demanding that the individualists give up their independence and join the collective through coersive taxation to pay for the collectivists preferred mode of travel.

So you see, it has nothing to do with hate, and certainly not anything to do with darkies, since many darkies agree with us, and indeed, some of us are “darkies.”

Here are some good links to read about CAIR, the “moderate” group that supports terrorism that is running ads in this market to help out their good buddy, 5th District Congressional candidate Keith Ellison:
http://www.americansagainsthate.org/

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

and, lastly, a lovely quote from CAIR’s Nihad Awad, a good friend of Keith Ellison’s:
“I am in support of the Hamas movement”

and, as a reminder, here’s a little primer on Hamas, in case you forgot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Ideology aside, what happens when cars cannot be a solution? What happens when the gridlock becomes completely unavoidable by adding more lanes, or there’s nowhere to put more lanes? What happens when CO2 emissions threaten our environment? What happens to our citizens that can’t afford cars – even if we don’t care about them personally, a large group of people that can’t get to work is a problem for all of us.

Like it or not Maz, we share this city and this planet. Even without a collectivist attitude (one I can sympathize with, because while I maybe drive my car 2000 miles a year, there are certainly times when I wouldn’t give it up) sometimes there are problems that only have a collectivist solution.

Unlike some progressive types, I don’t envision a car-free future. But I would be quite pleased to make as many public options available as possible, and to make public decisions about the future of our cars.

Holy cats, Dizzy. Do you talk about anything else?

Funy, I know “individualists” who live about an hour-and-a-half outside of the city, yet they spend about 3-4 hours a day driving their car into and out of our collectivism.

What kind of freedom & independence does an automobile provide when you’re sitting idle on the freeway?

He’s going to keep beating that drum until election day. A phone survey somewhere must have shown that it scares swing voters.

“Funny,” …. not “Funy.”

Don’t interrupt Maz when he’s reminding us of how cool and independent he is.

Like it or not, Maz, cars are just as collectivist as trains or buses. While driving on the highway you may not have to smell the person next to you (unless they smoke), but your actions are still impacted and still impact others.

Like others have said, thousands of cars jammed together on a road is as collectivist as a bunch of people crammed into the subway in Manhattan during rush hour. Not a lot of freedom to roam, man.

As far as I know, cars must still adhere to a predetermined track. You may have the option of taking another route to get to your destination but you’re still confined then, aren’t you, by roads and highways? Or by avoiding certain traffic disasters such as the Crosstown or 35W, you are limited again, wouldn’t you concur at least mildly?

As for the “darkies” line, I was referring to the responses of many of the conservatives I talk to who hate public transit. They use other colorful terms for the poor of all races who use public transit, but their chorus is the same: “There’s a lot of dirty people who ride the bus.”

My favorite part of this whole thing is that Paul Wellstone was always considered an individualist.

Thanks for noticing.

My favorite part of this whole thing is that Paul Wellstone was always considered an individualist.

By whom? Maybe by other collectivists who viewed his mouth as a sort of independence, but certainly not by individualists who only saw his rhetoric as a call for collectivism.

I don’t know anything about phone surveys – I do know, however, that Keith Ellison is a liar. He has repeatedly lied about the duration and extent of his involvement with the Nation of Islam, claiming an “18-month” involvement when the record shows that he was involved for upwards of a decade.

I also know that Keith Ellison is taking money from, and associating with, CAIR, and if you read the links I posted above, you’d know that CAIR is not a moderate organization, not by a long shot.

You can disparage my comments all you want – I don’t work for any candidate and I don’t get “talking points” from anyone. I’m a person who lives in the 5th Congressional district who is extremely dismayed by the candidacy of Keith Ellison. Not because he’s black. Not because he’s Muslim. Not because of his long record of defending murderers – frankly, (Katherine Kersten, I’m talking to you here) that’s what defense attorneys DO! I’m not even worred about Ellison because he can’t seem to pay his parking tickets, taxes, or campaign finance violation fines. That’s kid stuff compared to his past ties to the Nation of Islam and his current ties to CAIR.

Everyone should be worried about that. And no, I’m not saying “vote for Alan Fine” either. Tammy Lee is an excellent candidate who probably shares most of the views of people on this board, without the “ties to hate groups and terror-supporters” baggage. And that’s some serious baggage – baggage that will stay with Keith Ellison for a long time and will seriously hamper his effectiveness as a Congressman representing our district, whether you agree with me or not. Keith Ellison’s disturbing pattern of associating with hate groups and terror supporters is 100% fair game. I speak only for myself, and no, I won’t shut up about it. Not a chance.

Suddenly the world is split into “individualist” and “collectivist”?

Can we discuss this is a manner not borrowed from Jr. High kids who just read Ayn Rand for the first time?

Hey Aaron, you asked a question, I tried to answer it. That’s all.

Bullshit, Dizzy. I don’t know why you actually work for, but you have a few easily contradicted points, and you juts keep beating away at them, despite the fact that they’ve been hashed out to death on this site enough that we don’t really need to hear them again. So there must be some purpose to you bringing them up at every possible opportunity.

Tell us the truth — you wok for Alan Fine, don’t you? If not, why don’t you participate in any other discussion on this site? Why is it that your only discussion on this site is to repeat three talking points, whose only real function is as scare tactics: Ellison’s connection to CAIR, which has a long history of working as an advocate for Muslim causes, Ellison’s involvement with NOI years ago, which he has repudiated, and statements Ellison made about crime six years ago, when he was a defense attorney?

Why is it you ignore calls to discuss Ellison’s stance on such issues as war and poverty? No, you’ve got an agenda, and it’s pretty silly for you to deny it.

Dizzy:

I just don’t know what to make of this Ellison stuff anymore. I can’t tell if it’s all a bunch of republican scare tactics or if there’s some hint of legitimacy. I suspect it’s the former but I guess I should check up on it before I vote for him.

My concern about him isn’t that he’s Muslim, but that he became one in college. Who does that? That’s like having Mormons come to my door and leaving with me worshiping Joseph Smith. It wouldn’t happen. I can sooner deal with religious types that were indoctrinated as children.

My concern about him isn’t that he’s Muslim, but that he became one in college. Who does that? That’s like having Mormons come to my door and leaving with me worshiping Joseph Smith. It wouldn’t happen.

Hey it happens. My oldest left for college as a well-trained libertarian and came home from Mac a bleeping lefty. I hear it happens in prison too. (the muslim conversion I mean)

I don’t think the facts on Ellison are in dispute. He DOES have close ties to CAIR, and CAIR DOES have close ties to terrorism. Sure, Republicans are jumping all over it, but it’s not a purely partisan debate. A lot of Republicans don’t care what happens in the 5th because they know they can’t win there. This has become a two-person contest: Ellison and Tammy Lee.
I’m a Democrat who feels betrayed by my own party with the Ellison issue. There are many Democrats like me who will be voting for Tammy Lee. Not because we’re “Republicrats” or we’re brainwashed by right-wing blogs, but because we have genuine, deep concerns about the honestly and integrity of Keith Ellison and the company he keeps.
So I keep “beating the drum”…..guilty as charged.

Dizzy has put sparber on the ropes with the FACTS!

Watch him squirm!

Watch him twist and turn, trying to evade the onslaught of FACTS!

Maz, anyone who refers to Katherine Kersten as a ‘good moral Chrisitan woman’ isn’t much of a libertarian. And I don’t know that I’d equate leftly politics with belief in golden tablets. Anyways, tell your son way to go!

What the hell? Do you even read this site, Bud, or so you just pop in occasionally to babble away?

Or am I the only one sick of these particular arguments? If anyone wants, we can rehash them again, but I’d rather talk about the issues.

And, even then, why bother? Ellison will win in two weeks, and we’ll see how he does.

Shout it all you want, I don’t work for Alan Fine – and if I did, I’m sure Alan wouldn’t be happy about me plugging for Tammy Lee. What are my “easily contradicted points”? You don’t name any, you just accuse. We don’t need to hear this again? Why not? Election Day is 13 days away – I think we need to hear all we can about Keith Ellison before he becomes our United States Congressman.

Why do I care so much about this? Why do YOU care so much about this? Do YOU work for Keith Ellison? You certainly seem to. Why does a private citizen have to justify his fear that a person with ties to hate groups and terrorism is about to become their Congressman? I set my own agenda, and nobody sets it for me. This is a big issue for me – right now, the biggest. I do participate in other discussions now and then, but right now this is front and center for me. “Scare tactics”? No, the truth. I guess the truth is scary though. News flash.

I agree with Ellison on many issues, actually. On the plus side, I think if he’s elected he’ll be an advocate for the poor and disadvantaged. But I think Tammy Lee would be too, without the ties to hate groups and terror supporters. Yes, I do have an agenda, and no, I don’t deny it – but it’s MY agenda only, and I will continue to pursue it, First Amendment and all.

Those who oppose the transportation amendment are coo coo crazy. The lack of public transportation options are what’s holding back mpls-stp from becoming a truly great, urban area.

Dizzy no matter how much you assert something, that doesn’t make it a “FACT.” You can assert and assert and assert all day long, but without any actual evidence it won’t magically become true. Sorry dude, but he’s neither a terrorist nor a terrorist supporter, and no matter how much you beat that drum your tenuous connection is all handwaving and bigotry. Come on, let’s talk about the ties the Bush family has to certain questionable groups! No? Ok, then shut up.

And then, transit:

Mass transit is just another example of the collectivists’ preference for a controlled environment (limiting your travel via train tracks or pre-determined routes) and their need to be surrounded by plenty of other people (part of the safety in numbers mindset).

nevermind the part about how it’s more efficient to travel along fixed routes and in groups. that’s certainly not important, especially when potentially-hostile and unstable foreign powers have the country as a whole by the balls when it comes to energy supplies (and a huge portion of our oil use is transportation, don’t forget).

Individualists, on the other hand, greatly prefer the freedom and independence that the auto provides, uninhibited by a track or pre-determined route or destination. It’s a similar contrast to why collectivists live in the city and individualists live in the country.

Considering the pattern of sprawl settlement is an entirely new phenomenon in human history (the last 50 years of … oh, a few thousand) there’s no reason to think it’s a reasonable or sustainable way to live. It was an experiment of sorts, and some would say it’s already failed. I guess individualists are ok with being around other people if they’re all stuck in their little glass-and-metal bubbles and don’t have to talk to or look at one another. Hooray traffic! Everyone’s an individual and you’re all stuck together because of your wonderful ‘individualism’ and ‘independence!’

This difference in the citizenry would be fine if it weren’t for the collectivists demanding that the individualists give up their independence and join the collective through coersive taxation to pay for the collectivists preferred mode of travel.

Ha ha ha ha ha! Fuck you, seriously. I’m sorry, but did you realise that people who don’t use all those extra bits of road still pay for them? Your wonderful independence is enabled by collective taxation of those who don’t get use of them. I know you libertarians say “I damn well shouldn’t have to pay for anything I don’t use! (like pubilc transit)” but in this case I’m paying for roads that I don’t use. So it’s only fair to make people pay for infrastructure they don’t use if it’s roads, right? Despite the fact you can move many many more people much more cheaply with a little transit investment. But then, they’re just ‘collectivists’ who hate your freedom, not poor people who can’t afford cars to use your wonderful roads of freedom.

Suck it.

By all means, go ahead. I’m sure you’ll also track down a second cousin who he continues to have family dinners with who once said some very mean things about disabled people, and a childhood friend Ellison has that has a drinking problem that Ellison hasn’t denounced.

I happen to think smearing by association is bad politics. Unless you can demonstrate that Ellison actually shares the viewpoints of people he has associated with — particularly after he has denounced them — I do not see how they are relevant. I also happen to think that stuff a candidate says last week means more than stuff he said six years ago.

Maz, anyone who refers to Katherine Kersten as a ‘good moral Chrisitan woman’ isn’t much of a libertarian.

Why? Who says libertarians are atheists? I personally haven’t participated in a religious ceremony since 1970, but hey, that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t defend people who are good decent people because of their religious beliefs.

ps, look up ‘economies of scale’ because it applies to transportation too. I’d figure batshit libertarians who live and die by the myth of ‘the free market’ would realise that it’s cheaper to move more people at once.

Sure, and I’m sure you’d be just fine with a candidate who only “associated” with, say, the Klan.

And I’m sure you’d be A-OK with a candidate who said he supported the Klan 6 years ago but now talks a good game about racial harmony.

Nice double standard, though!

As for my “assertions” T Mayhem, I will refer you back to my earlier post about CAIR. I’m not “asserting” that Keith Ellison gets support from and associates with CAIR – he does. I’m not “asserting” that CAIR’s members have ties to terrorism and have supported terrorism – they do.

I never defended the Bush family, by the way, so you have no grounds to criticize me on that front.

Education Minnesota has come out against the Transportation Amendment…and they have some suggestions, as well as background on the amendment.

According to their stats, Minneapolis school district would lose $5,402,965 because of the amendment.

I’m all for funding for roads and mass transit, but it looks like this might be going in the wrong direction: taking $300 million from the general fund, at the expense of many other programs. Seems like the state legislature should have come up with this money themselves rather than passing the responsibility on to voters.

Anyone else heard about this?

Robert Byrd is actually a former Klansman. The NAACP current considers him to be one of their best allies in pro-civil rights legislation.

Ok, so A links to B and B links to C. Sorry, this isn’t symbolic logic and you can’t draw a line from A to C like that.

(somebody’s got issues)

Yes, you do. I simply don’t appreciate the insinuation I’m not good at what I do because of political convictions I hold. You, however, are a hopeless bigot who sees the world in black and white and has no understanding of nuance or ability to seperate politics from people. Your politics don’t make you who you are, idjit.

“There are white niggers. I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I’m going to use that word.” – Robert Byrd

I’m glad the NAACP thinks highly of Byrd now, but I’m sure a lot of black folks who aren’t running interest groups aren’t quite ready to forgive Senator Byrd for that disgusting comment, and I don’t blame them one bit.

Sometimes it’s right to forgive and forget. But not always.

yeah let’s not forget that some of the republicans who opposed the civil rights movement are still kicking around in power too. guilt by association? sure, ok! you’re racist!

heh. Maybe you should call home tonight and get a long-distance hug.

‘I apologize for the characterization I used on this program,’ he said. ‘The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today’s society. [...] ‘In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people.’

do you have diabetes yet or what, drunky?

really, can you make the educational system here any worse? I don’t know where half the money that goes into it disappears to anyway.

For one thing, Robert Byrd doesn’t continue to associate with the Klan – the analogy would work if he did, but, since he doesn’t, it falls rather flat. Ellison’s continued association with groups like CAIR was the issue and remains the issue.

T Mayhem, your point would work much better if I was a Republican. Here’s a smattering of people I’ve voted for since I turned voting age:
Paul Wellstone
Skip Humphrey
Roger Moe
Mark Dayton
Walter Mondale
Martin Sabo
Bill Clinton
Al Gore
John Kerry

so yeah, I’m pretty much a “Republican”!

By the way, it’s not just Republicans calling Ellison out on his CAIR associations…..today, Tammy Lee, who worked for Skip Humphrey and North Dakota Democratic Senator Byron Dorgan, had this to say:

“One positive political ad is not going to sanitize a group that has known ties to terrorist groups.” StarTribune

This difference in the citizenry would be fine if it weren’t for the collectivists demanding that the individualists give up their independence and join the collective through coersive taxation to pay for the collectivists preferred mode of travel.

This makes no sense. Your false dichotomy here doesn’t stand up. If your “individualists” here are so independent, why do they have 8-lane state- (excuse me, collectivist)- funded massive public works projects getting them safely to and from work every day? Shouldn’t they be blazing their own trails and pulling their own weight to pay for their highways?
Simple answer, no. They aren’t the independent self-reliant types you make them out to be because they don’t exist. What you’re trying to do is basically ignore all the taxpayer benefits suburban residents get to advance your false dilema here.

I’m voting no because I think that money will do nothing to decrease congestion and the balance should be even more on the mass transit side. We can build as many lanes on as many roads as we want, but until all those wonderful individualists stop relying so heavily on their government-subsidized asphalt nightmare, they’ll just keep coming.

…and the response to the general fund issue by the vote yes people.

PS– What is this about “coersive taxation”? It’s being voted on by everyone, how is that coersive?

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Say MLH, ever hear of the gas tax? It’s about a dollar a gallon. It’s supposed to go to road construction and repair. So you see, drivers have every reason to believe that we are paying our way and pulling our own weight.

Some people just don’t want to pay taxes.

did you know that the gas tax doesn’t even begin to cover the actual cost of road and highway maintinence?

WOW!

So let’s raise the gas tax to properly pay for it … what? no?

Oh, then I guess just steal money from the public transit budget to cover your shortfalls. And the general fund. And schools. And libraries. Boy driving a car sure is great, isn’t it?

Given the amount of income tax I pay, which I’m sure is more than your salary, do you think I’m not paying for your mass transit?

ooh, big man makes a lot of money so he’s better than me!

Stuff it, gramps. I’m comfortably middle class and don’t give two shits how much you pay. As long as it’s a fair share for how much you make.

Seriously, pull the Ayn Rand book out of your ass. I was a randroid in high school too, but most of us outgrow that stage. Are you still trying to relive highschool football glory too or something?

Seems to me I pay every time I get on the bus. So I would say that we are paying.

And you know simpleton, there’s really no need to ridicule libertarians. Unlike George Bush, we know that not everyone wants to be free. Why just the other day there was a story about a guy who refused to leave after 35 years in prison. They told him his time had been served, but he begged them to stay. So we know that many people like you exist.

Max, it’s true that bus rides are subsidised, though. We don’t pay the full price when we ride, but then drivers don’t pay the full price for their roads either. The biggest problem is the imbalance towards road funding right now, though. That’s due in large part to highway/automaker lobbies who managed to make road money the only transportation money for a very long time at the federal level, and that sort of thing is only recently being rectified.

Did someone say something?

that was just the wooshing of hot air

Dear Mazasapa,

The Gas tax is 40.4 cents per gallon in Minnesota, state and federal combined. I find your trolling and lack of facts disturbing.

I love how being able to choose between driving or taking light rail on more routes would somehow equal less freedom and instead forces us into some kind of “collective social engineering”. Some people really don’t believe in reality.

If you don’t like riding on the back of government funding I suggest you please stop using the internets, among other things. Go use the libertarians internets.

Sincerely,
Pinko Commie train riding collectivist

Isn’t posting on this forum “collectivist?” Or using the internet in general a “collectivist” move?

Hey —. What’s your last name, …?

Collectivism is a bad thing when it’s mandatory. Whatever you people choose to do (ride a bus, drive a car, thumb a ride) is fine with me as long as you don’t force me to do it too. Get it? I didn’t think so.

maza, I don’t recall anyone saying you couldn’t drive your car.

This guy exists only to make our heads implode.

Nobody’s making you ride a bus man. I swear. I won’t come to your house and force you to get on that filthy bus with all the darkies and poor people. Transportation is a public problem and the right solution takes more than just roads. Get over it.

I’ll get over it when people don’t expect me to pay for their ride.

Would you rather we had more people driving cars on the roads and thus congesting things further? I’m not stupid, Maza. I know where you are coming from and respect it. I just don’t think it’s the solution.

Either you all need to find gainful employment–or I need to find a job working where you do. Get a life. Seriously.

Hey paulio … you’re being forced to read this? If I were you, I’d complain. No one should be forced to participate in this forum.

Wow, when did Holier Than Thou get here?

I’ll trade you: You don’t have to pay for my bus if I don’t have to pay for your war. Of course, I get the bigger savings …

Ooo… Snap!

Wait… if Maza is a libertarian, wouldn’t that mean he wouldn’t support foreign wars of pre-emption?

What happened to good ol’ fashioned Lindberghian isolationism?

Dan Conry was on the radio this morning(KTLK FM), bitching and moaning about the Strib’s endorsements for Wettering and Ellison for the U.S. Congress. Since when right-wingers get emotional whenever a newspaper endorses a canditate? I’m not; I don’t care who gets the endorsement by the media. I just elected the person, based on their character and their logical arguments.

Farking liberal media.

And just to head off the argument that the fares for mass-transit don’t cover their costs, what other governmental services (plowing, garbage collection, etc.) make a profit?

As for constitutional amendments,

Paul Hardt is running for state house in the Farmington/Lakeville area. One of the questions he and his opponent, Pat Garafolo, where asked at a forum was “Would you support a constitutional amendemt securing funding for education?”

This is the road we’re heading down if this transportation amendment passes.

I for one was shocked, SHOCKED that the Strib endorsed Ellison. Their completely objective, unbiased coverage of the 5th District race so far gave NO indication which way they were going to go with their endorsement.

To quote Homer Simpson, “In case you couldn’t tell, I was being sarcastic”

Masaspaza is a fat, tired old man. (No offense-I saw the picture!)

A few years from now he will be seen drooling on a bus bench.

Pay him no mind, his breed of hate-mongering is going the way of the Buffalo.

When Brother Ralph wins (and he will) we are gonna round up some of you racist good old boys (Maza, Bud Jr., Dizzy) and go medievil on your asses.

The tide is turning and you rednecks better start runnin’…

ahaha, get it? buffalo? because he’s native?
ha ha ha!

what about his diabetes? and alchoholism?

because, you know, he can’t have a monopoly on bigotry and ill-informed stereotypes around here!

“When Brother Ralph wins (and he will) we are gonna round up some of you racist good old boys (Maza, Bud Jr., Dizzy) and go medievil on your asses.

The tide is turning and you rednecks better start runnin’…”

“Brother Ralph”? I’m pretty sure his name is Keith….Ralph Ellison wrote “The Invisible Man”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Ellison

“Racist good old boys”?

Now I’m Boss Hogg meets George Wallace because I happen to be concerned about Keith Ellison’s ties to the Nation of Islam and CAIR? Wow. Well smack me down. You sure got me there. All along I had the crazy idea that my lifetime of supporting racial equality and opportunity would make it less likely that I’d be labeled a Klansman. Silly me. I’d better reconsider my support for Barack Obama in 2008 now – I hardly think Senator Obama wants a backwoods inbred hillbilly bigot like me supporting him. Now who’s up for a lynchin’?

“Medievil”? (actually spelled “medieval”, but who needs education?)

“You rednecks ….”?

See, violent threats like this from ignoramuses is why I choose to remain anonymous on the Internets.

Oh, and by the way, sounds like a guy named Tom Bartel who might run this very website is leaning a little “Tammy Lee”-ish these days too.

Tom Bartel must be a racist good old boy too, eh?

As Kevin Costner would say “Tatanka.”

The NJ Supreme Court just ruled that gay couples must be afforded the same rights as married couples. And sadly, the Dems just lost control of Congress. It’s just enough to rally the otherwise uninspired conservatives around the country.

What’s the opposite of schadenfreud?

Uh, yeah Eddie, because that’s what happened when MA legalised gay marriage, right? So you’re suggesting republicans drag out the dead horse of the gay marriage ban amendment to flog a few more times as it rots? I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me if they did, because you’re right about how horribly uninspired they are, but the ‘democrats are in bed with ter’rists!’ threat seems to work a lot better these days.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. I’m pretty sure there will be a significant number of voters who will rethink voting for a Democrat (or voting at all) based on all the news headlines and commentary about gay marriage that will come up in the next two weeks. It was a virtual non issue before, and now it will be an issue in debates, campaign ads, and media/commentary folks. Congress was going to be close before, and a 1% change in a few races can make a big difference.

The october surprise. heh.

Wait… if Maza is a libertarian, wouldn’t that mean he wouldn’t support foreign wars of pre-emption?

That’s the position of the Libertarian Party (LP) of which I am not a member. It seems to me that their love of liberty seems a bit disingenuous if they’re not willing to fight for it.

They’re not the wimps the democrats are obviously, but waiting to be invaded before you fight back seems rather foolish when, in an age of nuclear weapons, the very survival of free societies depends on it. No, I’m a small L libertarian.

seems to me that their love of liberty seems a bit disingenuous if they’re not willing to fight for it.

No, they’re only willing to fight for their own. That’s what makes them libertarians: they’re selfish bastards.

Oh, and if you really think Afghanistan or Iraq was going to ‘invade’ the US you’re more of a retard than I previously thought, which is impressive.

Tmayhem,

Don’t you remember Condi said there’d be mushroom clouds over white exurban America or something like that?

Praise Jesus!

Good thing you stay hidden Dizzy cuz I bet people would line up around the block to slap some sense into you.

The NJ Supreme Court just ruled that gay couples must be afforded the same rights as married couples. And sadly, the Dems just lost control of Congress.

That’s a weak argument! You’re suggesting that a NJ court case would doom the dems this year over gays and queers getting married. Man, talk about beating a dead horse cons! You have nothing to debate about in this election.

Bye guys! You’ll be getting your retirement benifits and the pink slips on November 7th, three weeks from now!

CAIR – 1, FREE SPEECH – 0
Islamonazi CAIR Intimidates Yet Another American Business In Dhimmitude

http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/videos/MS092506.php – MSNBC video

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I’m voting against the transportation amendment. It’s a cop out for legislators who don’t want to make tough decisions. Make ‘em do their jobs and raise my dang taxes.

Roads girdle the globe…

“Good thing you stay hidden Dizzy cuz I bet people would line up around the block to slap some sense into you”

ah, the tolerant, peace-loving Far Left….comments like these just remind me of how ironic it is that complete assholes populate both the Far Left and Far Right – and really, the two are no different…both preach hatred and violence as the solution to everything

More and more, I’m seeing the Far Left-Far Right coalition come into clearer focus – whenever I see a Daily Kos poster praise a Pat Buchanan quote or see a paleoconservative find common ground with rabidly anti-Israel nutjobs on the Left, I know I’m witnessing history being made. There is one thing the two “Far”’s always seem to have in common: animus towards a certain group of people who invented monotheism. Interesting…really interesting. And not surprisingly, more and more the two “Far”’s are making common cause with the Islamic radicals who would like to exterminate large numbers of Hebrews. Not-so-strange bedfellows after all.

Those at the extremes enjoy the greatest leverage. Mechanical Engineering 101

Speaking of Farking Liberal Media – Liberal Media Elite is my favorite new political website – and yes, it’s run by my friend and MoCW compatriot, but DUDES, they’ve got t-shirts!

My favorite is “I Want to be Lesbians With Katherine Kersten.” This is the part where KK would die for the sole purpose of rolling over in her grave.

Good god. That site couldn’t be more of a parody of liberalism than if the RNC had built it. Hey … maybe … naw. All the hi-larious lefty stereotype stuff is there including the hip gay references, the obligatory use of profanity (nothing says “liberal” like using the F-word liberally, right? heh) And those t-shirts that are insulting to religious people! That really tops it off. Yup, my new favorite liberal site. So original, so biting, so … predictable.

Say MLH, ever hear of the gas tax? It’s about a dollar a gallon. It’s supposed to go to road construction and repair. So you see, drivers have every reason to believe that we are paying our way and pulling our own weight.

Gee, I never considered that before. Can I change my opinion?

Seriously, on your way to work tomorrow, think of all those terrible anarcho-syndicalist collective dollars that went into the road you’re on. If you’re still dedicated to twisting Adam Smith into some crackpot fringe ideology, you can just take the 394 toll road back and nothing else. Driving anywhere else would be another misguided vote in support of creeping communism.

1. Dirty people do ride the bus.
2. The state gas tax is 20 cents per gallon.
3. The dedication is phased in over a period of years to absorb the impact to the general fund.
4. A bad idea is to build a train for a billion dollars that is slower than the bus.
5. We are not headed down the road of dedicating money to other areas of the budget because, if I’m not mistaken, the issue of MVST allotment is already in the constitution. But I could be wrong. Hey, it’s early. I’m not going to go about reading constitutions at 6:30 a.m.

you’re really hung up on that ’slower than the bus’ thing aren’t you? it would offer an entirely different level of service than the bus and carry far more people than the bus. In this case capacity is more important than speed, and the central corridor is already over capacity with buses.

Plus, find me a busy bus route that runs on schedule during busy times of day (esp. rush hour) and I’ll be amazed. Trains operate more consistantly on-schedule than buses do, so while it might be slightly slower at off-peak times, odds are high that it will still be faster during rush hours than the 50.

ps, dirty people walk on the sidewalk too. Do you want a hermitcally sealed bubble to go outside in?

“As far as I know, cars must still adhere to a predetermined track.“

To my dismay and expense, I can attest that this is simply not true.

Actually, the buses are usually right on schedule here, oddly enough.

Dizzy are you trying to suggest your comments are rational?I?

That’s s funny I forgot to laff!

You people who hide in the “middle” are most likely just afraid to express their true views…for they know that if they speak the way they REALLY feel their true agenda will be revealed.

At least people on the Left are passionate and humanist instead of self serving and greedy like so many on the “Right”.

I have my suspicions about you Dizzy, but I will remain civil.

Suffice to say I have no doubt you have a closet FULL of robes.

White ones.

You’ve got this thing about closets today, don’t you?

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Raindog’s closet is full of straitjackets … one for every day of the week!

If anyone saw Jeff Johnson photo lately, running for state AG, he looks like John Mark Karr. Both him and (Mark) Kennedy are the perfect images of a typical child molester on America’s Most Wanted. Damn! talk about ugly among young republicans, running for public office.