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		<title>By: Tate</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52432</link>
		<dc:creator>Tate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another &lt;em&gt;Off-Topic&lt;/em&gt; Potshot&lt;br /&gt;
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How many times has a show at Arnellia&#039;s made the A-List?  And how about the Turf Club?  And, to all the yupsters/hipsters/hippies in the room with a penchant for &quot;Racism Sucks&quot; bumper stickers, how many times have you been to each establishment?&lt;br /&gt;
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But, yeah, St. Paul officials are vile racists.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another <em>Off-Topic</em> Potshot</p>
<p>How many times has a show at Arnellia&#8217;s made the A-List?  And how about the Turf Club?  And, to all the yupsters/hipsters/hippies in the room with a penchant for &#8220;Racism Sucks&#8221; bumper stickers, how many times have you been to each establishment?</p>
<p>But, yeah, St. Paul officials are vile racists.</p>
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		<title>By: mazasapa</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52271</link>
		<dc:creator>mazasapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It&#039;s downright irresponsible to allow a black woman whose club was on the verge of a death sentence to express her opinion on the subject of race and city politics. After all, what could she possible know about such matters?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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So who does she think is the racist?  The black police chief or the liberal democrat mayor?  If the answer is neither, then she&#039;s blowing knee-jerk style smoke.  Something we&#039;re all a little tired of.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It&#8217;s downright irresponsible to allow a black woman whose club was on the verge of a death sentence to express her opinion on the subject of race and city politics. After all, what could she possible know about such matters?</em></p>
<p>So who does she think is the racist?  The black police chief or the liberal democrat mayor?  If the answer is neither, then she&#8217;s blowing knee-jerk style smoke.  Something we&#8217;re all a little tired of.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mosedale</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52194</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Mosedale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really stood by anything, Tate, you&#039;d sign your name to your posts. Instead, you take an off-topic pot shot at CP, impugn the reputation of a good reporter and then scramble back into the bush.  That&#039;s what makes the blogosphere such a classy place.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, yeah, you&#039;re so right: It&#039;s downright irresponsible to allow a black woman whose club was on the verge of a death sentence to express her opinion on the subject of race and city politics. After all, what could she possible know about such matters? &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really stood by anything, Tate, you&#8217;d sign your name to your posts. Instead, you take an off-topic pot shot at CP, impugn the reputation of a good reporter and then scramble back into the bush.  That&#8217;s what makes the blogosphere such a classy place.</p>
<p>And, yeah, you&#8217;re so right: It&#8217;s downright irresponsible to allow a black woman whose club was on the verge of a death sentence to express her opinion on the subject of race and city politics. After all, what could she possible know about such matters? </p>
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		<title>By: Tate</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52178</link>
		<dc:creator>Tate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote that the City Pages blurb &quot;suggested&quot; Arnellia&#039;s was targeted because the owner is black.  I stand by that statement.&lt;br /&gt;
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Paul Demoko wrote: &quot;Asked why the city was targeting her club, Allen paused and thought for a few seconds. &#039;You know what I&#039;m going to say,&#039; she noted. &#039;Because I&#039;m a black woman.&#039;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Mike Mosedale wrote (in the post above): &quot;[Demko] simply reported the owner&#039;s contention that was the case.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, Demko simply reported that contention &lt;em&gt;after fishing for it&lt;/em&gt;.  If the City of St. Paul threatens penalties against a drinking establishment because an underage patron committed homicide on the premises, is it necessary to ask why the city was targeting the club?  Only if you want to lend credence to the asinine notion that race was somehow a factor.&lt;br /&gt;
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What is positively inaccurate is the assertion that I share Rambix&#039;s proclivities merely because I object to the City Pages tired and misguided efforts to cry racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote that the City Pages blurb &#8220;suggested&#8221; Arnellia&#8217;s was targeted because the owner is black.  I stand by that statement.</p>
<p>Paul Demoko wrote: &#8220;Asked why the city was targeting her club, Allen paused and thought for a few seconds. &#8216;You know what I&#8217;m going to say,&#8217; she noted. &#8216;Because I&#8217;m a black woman.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Mike Mosedale wrote (in the post above): &#8220;[Demko] simply reported the owner&#8217;s contention that was the case.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Demko simply reported that contention <em>after fishing for it</em>.  If the City of St. Paul threatens penalties against a drinking establishment because an underage patron committed homicide on the premises, is it necessary to ask why the city was targeting the club?  Only if you want to lend credence to the asinine notion that race was somehow a factor.</p>
<p>What is positively inaccurate is the assertion that I share Rambix&#8217;s proclivities merely because I object to the City Pages tired and misguided efforts to cry racism.</p>
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		<title>By: BHL here again</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52169</link>
		<dc:creator>BHL here again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I-heart-hyphens.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also wanted to clarify, the shot above:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Guess I felt the need to remind myself being a &quot;Bleeding Heart Liberal&quot; is not as bad as being a judgemental, closed-minded, bigoted, asshat.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
was aimed more so at Rambix&#039;s commenters, rather than Rambix himself.&lt;br /&gt;
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You know who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I-heart-hyphens.</p>
<p>Also wanted to clarify, the shot above:<br />
<em>&#8220;Guess I felt the need to remind myself being a &#8220;Bleeding Heart Liberal&#8221; is not as bad as being a judgemental, closed-minded, bigoted, asshat.&#8221;</em><br />
was aimed more so at Rambix&#8217;s commenters, rather than Rambix himself.</p>
<p>You know who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: pops</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52163</link>
		<dc:creator>pops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rambix was a gun-lovin&#039; right-winged racist nut. good riddance to him. someone with a fair balanced view of race and crime in this city should pick up where he left off and devote a blog to posting police and news reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rambix was a gun-lovin&#8217; right-winged racist nut. good riddance to him. someone with a fair balanced view of race and crime in this city should pick up where he left off and devote a blog to posting police and news reports.</p>
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		<title>By: BHL and lovin it</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52167</link>
		<dc:creator>BHL and lovin it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rambix&#039;s blog=&lt;br /&gt;
...blah blah blah bleeding heart liberals.... blah blah blah empty suits.... blah blah ah play the race card... blah blah blah main stream media.... blah blah blah homosexual pediphile......blah blah blah quagmire....&lt;br /&gt;
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Names and dates might have changed, but it was the same regurgitated-fear-mongering-spewage, with the occasional fact thrown in, almost every day.  &lt;br /&gt;
While completely disagreeing with the political viewpoints, I fully admidt I would read his blog on a less-than-frequent basis.  Guess I felt the need to remind myself being a &quot;Bleeding Heart Liberal&quot; is not as bad as being a judgemental, closed-minded, bigoted, asshat.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, that, and I get really bored at work sometimes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Giggidy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rambix&#8217;s blog=<br />
&#8230;blah blah blah bleeding heart liberals&#8230;. blah blah blah empty suits&#8230;. blah blah ah play the race card&#8230; blah blah blah main stream media&#8230;. blah blah blah homosexual pediphile&#8230;&#8230;blah blah blah quagmire&#8230;.</p>
<p>Names and dates might have changed, but it was the same regurgitated-fear-mongering-spewage, with the occasional fact thrown in, almost every day.  <br />
While completely disagreeing with the political viewpoints, I fully admidt I would read his blog on a less-than-frequent basis.  Guess I felt the need to remind myself being a &#8220;Bleeding Heart Liberal&#8221; is not as bad as being a judgemental, closed-minded, bigoted, asshat.</p>
<p>Well, that, and I get really bored at work sometimes.</p>
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Giggidy.</p>
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		<title>By: tmayhem</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52161</link>
		<dc:creator>tmayhem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have to say this, because I can&#039;t hold it in: CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION!&lt;br /&gt;
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thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have to say this, because I can&#8217;t hold it in: CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION!</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: msparber</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52159</link>
		<dc:creator>msparber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demonstratably, crime is about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/learningzone/scpprinciples.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;opportunity&lt;/a&gt;. Poor people tend to commit the sorts of crimes that are available to poor people -- jacking liquor stores and selling crack on street corners. Rich people tend to commit rich people crimes -- bribing politicians and building deadly gas plants in Bhopal, India.&lt;br /&gt;
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Black people tend to be poorer, so they tend toward poor people crimes, which, unfortunately, tend to be more visible and easier to prosecute. As I mentioned in my initial post, there are all sorts of crimes being committed.To focus exclusively on street crime, and then to insist that race is te overriding factor, is, frankly, bizarre. It&#039;s hard not to ascribe racist motiviations to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demonstratably, crime is about <a href="http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/learningzone/scpprinciples.htm" target="_blank">opportunity</a>. Poor people tend to commit the sorts of crimes that are available to poor people &#8212; jacking liquor stores and selling crack on street corners. Rich people tend to commit rich people crimes &#8212; bribing politicians and building deadly gas plants in Bhopal, India.</p>
<p>Black people tend to be poorer, so they tend toward poor people crimes, which, unfortunately, tend to be more visible and easier to prosecute. As I mentioned in my initial post, there are all sorts of crimes being committed.To focus exclusively on street crime, and then to insist that race is te overriding factor, is, frankly, bizarre. It&#8217;s hard not to ascribe racist motiviations to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mosedale</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9649#comment-52160</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Mosedale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;bud jr&#039;s&quot; comment: Well, I just looked up the Strib&#039;s piece on Arnellia&#039;s. While I don&#039;t think it is as good as the one that appeared in CP (which was what I was writing about), the Strib reporter described Arnellia&#039;s as being located on University Avenue. So is the failure to include a cross street now part of some conspiracy?&lt;br /&gt;
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Since bud jr seems so hung up on the issue of the Arnellia&#039;s address, I assume he has never set foot in said &quot;shit-hole.&quot; From that, I can only infer that &quot;shit-hole&quot;--in his view--translates to &quot;bar where black people go.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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And again, I have to ask: Why is that the people who post the most obnoxious comments on this board aren&#039;t willing to use their real names? I can imagine circumstances where there is a legit reason.  In the main, though, I think it&#039;s cowardly behavior--especially when you slag on others by name. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;bud jr&#8217;s&#8221; comment: Well, I just looked up the Strib&#8217;s piece on Arnellia&#8217;s. While I don&#8217;t think it is as good as the one that appeared in CP (which was what I was writing about), the Strib reporter described Arnellia&#8217;s as being located on University Avenue. So is the failure to include a cross street now part of some conspiracy?</p>
<p>Since bud jr seems so hung up on the issue of the Arnellia&#8217;s address, I assume he has never set foot in said &#8220;shit-hole.&#8221; From that, I can only infer that &#8220;shit-hole&#8221;&#8211;in his view&#8211;translates to &#8220;bar where black people go.&#8221; </p>
<p>And again, I have to ask: Why is that the people who post the most obnoxious comments on this board aren&#8217;t willing to use their real names? I can imagine circumstances where there is a legit reason.  In the main, though, I think it&#8217;s cowardly behavior&#8211;especially when you slag on others by name.</p>
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