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		<title>By: bud jr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50277</link>
		<dc:creator>bud jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These ubiquitous and alleged &quot;reverends&quot; who pose as &#039;community leaders&#039; are nothing but thug apologists.&lt;br /&gt;
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They have absolutley no standing to comment on police procedure.&lt;br /&gt;
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Astounding.  Absolutely astounding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These ubiquitous and alleged &#8220;reverends&#8221; who pose as &#8216;community leaders&#8217; are nothing but thug apologists.</p>
<p>They have absolutley no standing to comment on police procedure.</p>
<p>Astounding.  Absolutely astounding.</p>
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		<title>By: spaceman</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50273</link>
		<dc:creator>spaceman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a) danapp:  police absolutely do not shoot to incapacitate.  It doesn&#039;t work and they are never trained to do this.  This is TV myth.&lt;br /&gt;
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b) just about all violent individuals that any police officer deals with have &quot;severe emotional problems&quot; as the 911 caller reported in this case.  That does not mean it requires the dispatch of a crisis intervention officer nor does the department have resources to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
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c) it is very easy to armchair this now, but everything happened in a matter of seconds.  Police act based on the initial information they have and then have to react to dynamic, intense situations.  Human perceptions heavily factor in:  just look at the fact that the sister reported 4 shots, danapp (a witness) reports 6 shots, and the police are reporting 7.&lt;br /&gt;
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d) the family should be allowed to grieve, and it should also be acknowledged that people dealing with tragic, traumatic circumstances sometimes do and say things that don&#039;t make sense otherwise.  To me, the question is not so much with the family, as with the media.  Can the story be effectively told without blaring the &quot;police are KKK&quot; line repeatedly?  &lt;br /&gt;
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e) Ministers and activists have every right to ask questions, and they &lt;em&gt;should &lt;/em&gt;be calling for an outside investigation by another agency.  However, when Rev. Devin Miller, who is with a group that has the supposed mission of &quot;trying to bridge the gap between citizens and police&quot; says that &quot;There was no reason for the shooting, and we firmly believe they intended to shoot him to death,&quot; he is making a bold assertion with an incomplete set of facts and does a complete disservice to his community. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) danapp:  police absolutely do not shoot to incapacitate.  It doesn&#8217;t work and they are never trained to do this.  This is TV myth.</p>
<p>b) just about all violent individuals that any police officer deals with have &#8220;severe emotional problems&#8221; as the 911 caller reported in this case.  That does not mean it requires the dispatch of a crisis intervention officer nor does the department have resources to do so.</p>
<p>c) it is very easy to armchair this now, but everything happened in a matter of seconds.  Police act based on the initial information they have and then have to react to dynamic, intense situations.  Human perceptions heavily factor in:  just look at the fact that the sister reported 4 shots, danapp (a witness) reports 6 shots, and the police are reporting 7.</p>
<p>d) the family should be allowed to grieve, and it should also be acknowledged that people dealing with tragic, traumatic circumstances sometimes do and say things that don&#8217;t make sense otherwise.  To me, the question is not so much with the family, as with the media.  Can the story be effectively told without blaring the &#8220;police are KKK&#8221; line repeatedly?  </p>
<p>e) Ministers and activists have every right to ask questions, and they <em>should </em>be calling for an outside investigation by another agency.  However, when Rev. Devin Miller, who is with a group that has the supposed mission of &#8220;trying to bridge the gap between citizens and police&#8221; says that &#8220;There was no reason for the shooting, and we firmly believe they intended to shoot him to death,&#8221; he is making a bold assertion with an incomplete set of facts and does a complete disservice to his community. </p>
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		<title>By: scoste</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50111</link>
		<dc:creator>scoste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, keep on dreamin&#039;.....the moment a human being can no longer dream, he&#039;s as good as dead!  It&#039;s one of those wonderful abilities we have to get us through those tricky little rough spots in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, keep on dreamin&#8217;&#8230;..the moment a human being can no longer dream, he&#8217;s as good as dead!  It&#8217;s one of those wonderful abilities we have to get us through those tricky little rough spots in life.</p>
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		<title>By: bud jr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50108</link>
		<dc:creator>bud jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a guy can dream though, can&#039;t he?&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a guy can dream though, can&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: scoste</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50093</link>
		<dc:creator>scoste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the endorsement, bud jr, but having the position of mayor in this town is really nothing more than being a political eunuch with some public relations skills, whereas the real power lies with city council president (Barb Johnson) and council members.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the endorsement, bud jr, but having the position of mayor in this town is really nothing more than being a political eunuch with some public relations skills, whereas the real power lies with city council president (Barb Johnson) and council members.</p>
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		<title>By: bud jr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50050</link>
		<dc:creator>bud jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scoste for Mayor!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scoste for Mayor!</p>
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		<title>By: danapp</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50042</link>
		<dc:creator>danapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s a little late here but I would like to add that i was a witness to part of this shooting as it occured just 5 doors down from my house.&lt;br /&gt;
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First off, even though the family was the ones that called the cops, the second they showed up and the pursuit all the sister could do was say over and over &quot;IT&#039;S MY BROTHER! HE&#039;S HAVING AN EPISODE! PLEASE DON&#039;T SHOOT HIM! DON&#039;T SHOOT HIM!&quot; all the way up to the point that they shot him. &lt;br /&gt;
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I didn&#039;t see the actual shooting as I was headed to the back thinking that the victim was going to make a break for it through the alley (obviously he didn&#039;t) but between the time that the police rolled up and they shot him had to have been no more than 15-20 seconds. Is that really enough time to talk through a situation with someone who&#039;s obviously not mentally stable?&lt;br /&gt;
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I can&#039;t say I saw and understand everything but shooting a man six times (yes, I heard 6 shots) seems very very excessive. I can&#039;t say that it&#039;s race mental but it all seems very suspicious. Why didn&#039;t they shoot to incapacitate as opposed to killing him?&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s a little late here but I would like to add that i was a witness to part of this shooting as it occured just 5 doors down from my house.</p>
<p>First off, even though the family was the ones that called the cops, the second they showed up and the pursuit all the sister could do was say over and over &#8220;IT&#8217;S MY BROTHER! HE&#8217;S HAVING AN EPISODE! PLEASE DON&#8217;T SHOOT HIM! DON&#8217;T SHOOT HIM!&#8221; all the way up to the point that they shot him. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the actual shooting as I was headed to the back thinking that the victim was going to make a break for it through the alley (obviously he didn&#8217;t) but between the time that the police rolled up and they shot him had to have been no more than 15-20 seconds. Is that really enough time to talk through a situation with someone who&#8217;s obviously not mentally stable?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I saw and understand everything but shooting a man six times (yes, I heard 6 shots) seems very very excessive. I can&#8217;t say that it&#8217;s race mental but it all seems very suspicious. Why didn&#8217;t they shoot to incapacitate as opposed to killing him?</p>
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		<title>By: matt9000</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50031</link>
		<dc:creator>matt9000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I personally think this is far more about mental illness than it is about racism&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To me, this was about a poor person getting shot because they&#039;re too poor to afford medicine for themselves, and/or they have no family to give them medicine.&lt;br /&gt;
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It happens to poor people of all different races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I personally think this is far more about mental illness than it is about racism</em></p>
<p>To me, this was about a poor person getting shot because they&#8217;re too poor to afford medicine for themselves, and/or they have no family to give them medicine.</p>
<p>It happens to poor people of all different races.</p>
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		<title>By: msparber</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50008</link>
		<dc:creator>msparber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that does sound a little iffy.</description>
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		<title>By: scoste</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9589#comment-50006</link>
		<dc:creator>scoste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>compubox,&lt;br /&gt;
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According to a story in today&#039;s Pioneer Press, it states that this guy was suffering from &quot;undiagnosed and untreated depression&quot; and was &quot;feeling pressured by family and financial circumstances&quot;.  That really doesn&#039;t sound to me like a case of someone who has a mental illness, but more like a guy who didn&#039;t bother to deal with his everyday problems that built up to a point where he just lost it instead of seeking help to get over his problems.  &lt;br /&gt;
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His relatives continue to lie to the press as well.  They are claiming that this guy has never been arrested and was a model of perfect behavior, but the paper found out that he was arrested last year in Apple Valley on a charge of misdemeanor assault....apparently he got violent enough to kick and beat the shit out of a woman he was living with ....what a sweetheart he is!  &lt;br /&gt;
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The more that comes out of the mouths of his relatives, black leaders, etc... the more that I feel the cops acted in the only possible manner they could!    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>compubox,</p>
<p>According to a story in today&#8217;s Pioneer Press, it states that this guy was suffering from &#8220;undiagnosed and untreated depression&#8221; and was &#8220;feeling pressured by family and financial circumstances&#8221;.  That really doesn&#8217;t sound to me like a case of someone who has a mental illness, but more like a guy who didn&#8217;t bother to deal with his everyday problems that built up to a point where he just lost it instead of seeking help to get over his problems.  </p>
<p>His relatives continue to lie to the press as well.  They are claiming that this guy has never been arrested and was a model of perfect behavior, but the paper found out that he was arrested last year in Apple Valley on a charge of misdemeanor assault&#8230;.apparently he got violent enough to kick and beat the shit out of a woman he was living with &#8230;.what a sweetheart he is!  </p>
<p>The more that comes out of the mouths of his relatives, black leaders, etc&#8230; the more that I feel the cops acted in the only possible manner they could!</p>
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