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		<title>By: Bill Bryson</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-41169</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bryson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got sick at Barbette in April and when I called the man or woman ( I couldn&#039;t tell...) was pretty rude and seemed to not want to even talk to me.  The food is nothing special and the service is even *worse*.... Brenda&#039;s great places will be my new home. Especially after the Salmonella outbreak, I will not patronize that place anymore..... &quot;Salmonella is a fact of life&quot;?.... a preventable one that wasn&#039;t prevented</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got sick at Barbette in April and when I called the man or woman ( I couldn&#8217;t tell&#8230;) was pretty rude and seemed to not want to even talk to me.  The food is nothing special and the service is even *worse*&#8230;. Brenda&#8217;s great places will be my new home. Especially after the Salmonella outbreak, I will not patronize that place anymore&#8230;.. &#8220;Salmonella is a fact of life&#8221;?&#8230;. a preventable one that wasn&#8217;t prevented</p>
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		<title>By: g rote</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-40146</link>
		<dc:creator>g rote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross...perhaps you can submit your next explanation-via-autobiography to your Editor before you post it...it&#039;s a wee bit lengthy for this web format.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross&#8230;perhaps you can submit your next explanation-via-autobiography to your Editor before you post it&#8230;it&#8217;s a wee bit lengthy for this web format.</p>
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		<title>By: TBartel</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-40142</link>
		<dc:creator>TBartel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/462/story/493733.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Barbette is open&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: msparber</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-40136</link>
		<dc:creator>msparber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People should also be aware when they speak to any member of the media that, just as a movie camera ads eight pounds, unless you are remarkably self-possessed and witty or brilliant off-the-cuff, appearing in the media seems to reduce your IQ by about 20 points. If the best quote to come out of your mouth is something like &quot;Wow, man, that was, like, totally bitching,&quot; that&#039;s what&#039;s going to get printed, no matter how witty a rejoinder you may have preferred to have said. It&#039;s why many celebrities essentially pre-script their media appearances. As common citizens, we don&#039;t have the luxery, clout, or money to prepare in advance for our media appearances.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s actually amazing how many people claim to be misquoted when the published or broadcast quote is fully documented. Then they&#039;ll argue that the quote was out of context, when, in fact, a look at the record shows it to be perfectly in context. Ultimately, they just wish they had said something different, or better, or didn&#039;t fall over when the camera was trained at them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should also be aware when they speak to any member of the media that, just as a movie camera ads eight pounds, unless you are remarkably self-possessed and witty or brilliant off-the-cuff, appearing in the media seems to reduce your IQ by about 20 points. If the best quote to come out of your mouth is something like &#8220;Wow, man, that was, like, totally bitching,&#8221; that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going to get printed, no matter how witty a rejoinder you may have preferred to have said. It&#8217;s why many celebrities essentially pre-script their media appearances. As common citizens, we don&#8217;t have the luxery, clout, or money to prepare in advance for our media appearances.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually amazing how many people claim to be misquoted when the published or broadcast quote is fully documented. Then they&#8217;ll argue that the quote was out of context, when, in fact, a look at the record shows it to be perfectly in context. Ultimately, they just wish they had said something different, or better, or didn&#8217;t fall over when the camera was trained at them.</p>
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		<title>By: jderusha</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-40134</link>
		<dc:creator>jderusha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross: Well said.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross: Well said.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: TBartel</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-40133</link>
		<dc:creator>TBartel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, do you still have your PETA t-shirt? As I recall, it stood for People Eating Tasty Animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, do you still have your PETA t-shirt? As I recall, it stood for People Eating Tasty Animals.</p>
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		<title>By: shogunmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-40127</link>
		<dc:creator>shogunmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have to admit some pleasure in the fact that the &quot;meat is muder... tasty tasty murder&quot; t shirts are hopelessly sold out.&lt;br /&gt;
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There is always hope that our fading republic still breathes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have to admit some pleasure in the fact that the &#8220;meat is muder&#8230; tasty tasty murder&#8221; t shirts are hopelessly sold out.</p>
<p>There is always hope that our fading republic still breathes.</p>
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		<title>By: ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cary, this might seem like a personal attack, but please don&#039;t take it as such -- that&#039;s certainly not the intent.  &lt;br /&gt;
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But given that it was a reporter from my paper who soured you on journalism forever, I had to do a little research and find out what happened.  So I looked up the story in our archive.&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed, you were quoted pretty much as you said you were -- &quot;It&#039;s a passion, man. It&#039;s all about passion.&quot; -- but you&#039;re not really giving the whole context here.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The story was spot-news coverage of a hackers convention in St. Paul (in 2000, not 2001).  And you weren&#039;t even addressed in the body of the story -- you had your photo taken and you were quoted in the cutline.  It&#039;s entirely possible you didn&#039;t even speak to the reporter who wrote the story, it may have been the photographer.  In general, a photo caption isn&#039;t the place you would typically find a whole lot of in-depth discourse.  The &quot;story&quot; of a photo really is the photo itself, if that makes any sense.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Whatever the case, again, you weren&#039;t a subject in the actual story which -- and I suppose you could say I am biased here -- read to me as a pretty straightforward, if a bit cheeky, &quot;scene setting&quot; news piece.  In very general terms, daily newspapers provide news and &quot;slice-of-life&quot; type pieces about the community at large, written for a general readership.  And in those terms, the story was a great success in my eyes. &lt;br /&gt;
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The reporter who wrote it covers tech issues and certainly knew what he was talking about, and went out of his way to humanize hackers and point out that -- unlike some people think -- the vast majority are pretty damn smart and are more concerned about making the computer world a better, not worse, place.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All of that said, you were upset.  And that&#039;s a drag -- it&#039;s never a good thing for my industry to see someone from the general public (as opposed to a murderer or crooked politician or whatever) emerge from the experience of talking to a reporter feeling like they&#039;ve been misrepresented or violated.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But when you paint an entire industry in such negative terms, it&#039;s really not fair.  (And this is this is the point in my windy reply where I&#039;m talking about some of the anti-MSM discussion here in the broader sense, and it&#039;s no longer aimed at Cary alone.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some people seem to have this idea that the mainstream media is inherently evil, but when it comes down to it, the media ultimately consists of a bunch of people who are your neighbors, friends and relatives.  Yes, the bigger the newspaper/TV station is, the more likely it is to be owned by a major company (that&#039;s located outside of the area) but the newsrooms are filled with people who live and breathe the same air as everyone else.  I&#039;ve worked for a family-owned paper, and I&#039;ve also worked for a paper owned by the largest newspaper company in the business.  (Now I work for the second-largest chain, and in a few weeks it&#039;ll be the fourth-largest.)  But in every case, the vast majority of decisions about how and what and why news is covered have been made on a local level, not from some faceless corporate office hundreds of miles away.  Indeed, I might even say some of the heaviest handed decision making from above came from that family-owned newspaper.&lt;br /&gt;
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And most of those people who make those decisions got into the business because, well, it&#039;s all about the passion, man.  Very few people on the frontlines -- I&#039;m talking about writers and editors -- ever get rich from working in the media.  If they&#039;re lucky, they&#039;ll eventually get to a point where they make a comfortable living.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I can tell you personally, my first newsroom job after graduating from four years of college was as a part-time features clerk where I made $3.85 an hour.  I made more money in my other part-time gig as a cashier/stockboy at a liquor store (and, ironically enough, I had a stricter dress code there as well).  The first few years of my full-time employment, when I was a general-assignment arts and entertainment reporter and columnist, my salary was barely above that of a shift manager at a fast-food place.  It&#039;s a similar story for smaller-market TV reporters.  And radio people -- well, they usually are at the bottom of the media payscale, and they have the least amount of job security.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many of the people in my journalism classes from college never even made it into media jobs in the first place, and throughout my career, I&#039;ve been surrounded by co-workers who have left the industry because when it comes down to it, you &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; have to want to be a reporter.  The hours can suck -- it&#039;s never a 9-5 job -- and it can be really difficult and draining and, at times, soul killing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I kept at it because I really love what I do and, eventually, all that hard work started to pay off.  I&#039;m busier and work harder now than I have in my 12-year career, but I do it because I love it and I can&#039;t imagine doing anything else for a living.  I would say the same about the majority of my colleagues and friends in the industry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not trying to get sympathy here -- that&#039;s not my intention at all.  Just trying to shine a little light and maybe put a human face on this industry so many people get so angry about.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I had planned to go off on a whole &#039;nother tangent about how newspapers are totally different beasts from TV stations, as are commercial radio stations from public radio stations -- not to mention alt-weeklies and independent publications like The Rake and whatnot.  They all serve different needs and, quite honestly, are often staffed by very different types of people with different goals.  But I&#039;m tired, and I&#039;ve already blathered on too much.  I&#039;ll just wrap up by saying I wish there were even more media outlets.  The more voices out there, the better it is for everyone.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, and the KSTP piece was pretty sleazy!  But it is what it is -- one sleazy TV news report, not an indictment of an entire industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cary, this might seem like a personal attack, but please don&#8217;t take it as such &#8212; that&#8217;s certainly not the intent.  </p>
<p>But given that it was a reporter from my paper who soured you on journalism forever, I had to do a little research and find out what happened.  So I looked up the story in our archive.</p>
<p>Indeed, you were quoted pretty much as you said you were &#8212; &#8220;It&#8217;s a passion, man. It&#8217;s all about passion.&#8221; &#8212; but you&#8217;re not really giving the whole context here.  </p>
<p>The story was spot-news coverage of a hackers convention in St. Paul (in 2000, not 2001).  And you weren&#8217;t even addressed in the body of the story &#8212; you had your photo taken and you were quoted in the cutline.  It&#8217;s entirely possible you didn&#8217;t even speak to the reporter who wrote the story, it may have been the photographer.  In general, a photo caption isn&#8217;t the place you would typically find a whole lot of in-depth discourse.  The &#8220;story&#8221; of a photo really is the photo itself, if that makes any sense.  </p>
<p>Whatever the case, again, you weren&#8217;t a subject in the actual story which &#8212; and I suppose you could say I am biased here &#8212; read to me as a pretty straightforward, if a bit cheeky, &#8220;scene setting&#8221; news piece.  In very general terms, daily newspapers provide news and &#8220;slice-of-life&#8221; type pieces about the community at large, written for a general readership.  And in those terms, the story was a great success in my eyes. </p>
<p>The reporter who wrote it covers tech issues and certainly knew what he was talking about, and went out of his way to humanize hackers and point out that &#8212; unlike some people think &#8212; the vast majority are pretty damn smart and are more concerned about making the computer world a better, not worse, place.</p>
<p>All of that said, you were upset.  And that&#8217;s a drag &#8212; it&#8217;s never a good thing for my industry to see someone from the general public (as opposed to a murderer or crooked politician or whatever) emerge from the experience of talking to a reporter feeling like they&#8217;ve been misrepresented or violated.  </p>
<p>But when you paint an entire industry in such negative terms, it&#8217;s really not fair.  (And this is this is the point in my windy reply where I&#8217;m talking about some of the anti-MSM discussion here in the broader sense, and it&#8217;s no longer aimed at Cary alone.)</p>
<p>Some people seem to have this idea that the mainstream media is inherently evil, but when it comes down to it, the media ultimately consists of a bunch of people who are your neighbors, friends and relatives.  Yes, the bigger the newspaper/TV station is, the more likely it is to be owned by a major company (that&#8217;s located outside of the area) but the newsrooms are filled with people who live and breathe the same air as everyone else.  I&#8217;ve worked for a family-owned paper, and I&#8217;ve also worked for a paper owned by the largest newspaper company in the business.  (Now I work for the second-largest chain, and in a few weeks it&#8217;ll be the fourth-largest.)  But in every case, the vast majority of decisions about how and what and why news is covered have been made on a local level, not from some faceless corporate office hundreds of miles away.  Indeed, I might even say some of the heaviest handed decision making from above came from that family-owned newspaper.</p>
<p>And most of those people who make those decisions got into the business because, well, it&#8217;s all about the passion, man.  Very few people on the frontlines &#8212; I&#8217;m talking about writers and editors &#8212; ever get rich from working in the media.  If they&#8217;re lucky, they&#8217;ll eventually get to a point where they make a comfortable living.</p>
<p>I can tell you personally, my first newsroom job after graduating from four years of college was as a part-time features clerk where I made $3.85 an hour.  I made more money in my other part-time gig as a cashier/stockboy at a liquor store (and, ironically enough, I had a stricter dress code there as well).  The first few years of my full-time employment, when I was a general-assignment arts and entertainment reporter and columnist, my salary was barely above that of a shift manager at a fast-food place.  It&#8217;s a similar story for smaller-market TV reporters.  And radio people &#8212; well, they usually are at the bottom of the media payscale, and they have the least amount of job security.</p>
<p>Many of the people in my journalism classes from college never even made it into media jobs in the first place, and throughout my career, I&#8217;ve been surrounded by co-workers who have left the industry because when it comes down to it, you <em>really</em> have to want to be a reporter.  The hours can suck &#8212; it&#8217;s never a 9-5 job &#8212; and it can be really difficult and draining and, at times, soul killing.</p>
<p>I kept at it because I really love what I do and, eventually, all that hard work started to pay off.  I&#8217;m busier and work harder now than I have in my 12-year career, but I do it because I love it and I can&#8217;t imagine doing anything else for a living.  I would say the same about the majority of my colleagues and friends in the industry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to get sympathy here &#8212; that&#8217;s not my intention at all.  Just trying to shine a little light and maybe put a human face on this industry so many people get so angry about.</p>
<p>I had planned to go off on a whole &#8216;nother tangent about how newspapers are totally different beasts from TV stations, as are commercial radio stations from public radio stations &#8212; not to mention alt-weeklies and independent publications like The Rake and whatnot.  They all serve different needs and, quite honestly, are often staffed by very different types of people with different goals.  But I&#8217;m tired, and I&#8217;ve already blathered on too much.  I&#8217;ll just wrap up by saying I wish there were even more media outlets.  The more voices out there, the better it is for everyone.</p>
<p>Oh, and the KSTP piece was pretty sleazy!  But it is what it is &#8212; one sleazy TV news report, not an indictment of an entire industry.</p>
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		<title>By: kwatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray the Boston bat boy!</description>
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		<title>By: Pete Scholtes</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/9298#comment-40123</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Scholtes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why have gated communities when you can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twelve.tv/news/newsitem.aspx?newsid=324&amp;newsitemid=722&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;force an entire suburb to look as well-kept as your house&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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