Secrets of the City

Nice post. The Things They Carried is one of my favorite books.

And, linked in the last post, my intro to the book from City Pages, and, for my tastes, one of the better things I have ever written.

My personal favorite overlooked Minnesota writer? Humorist and Dobie Gillis-creator Max Shulman. And are we due for a Berryman revival, or has he not ever gone out of fashion? I’m so out of touch with poetry circles nowadays.

Oh, I see you already linked to my story. Touché, my friend.

More on MNauthors: here’s a link to the Minnesota Historical Society’s “Minnesota Author Biographies Project.” A decent list from Robert Bly to Charles Shultz…

My favorite overlooked Minnesotan author is Garrison Keillor.

His written work takes on greater Minnesota with painfully accurate detail and is nothing like the bland, predictible and cheap comedy of PHC. (It’s like comparing Phil Collins’s fantastic early 80’s work in Genesis to his later solo work on Disney soundtracks.)

Are we talking born in Minnesota? Or stopped through at some point in their career? Because Jill Christman was coordinating the U of M Creative Writing program while Darkroom: A Family Exposure was being published – and I think the book is wicked cool…

That’s right. Wicked cool.

Jon Hassler’s Grand Opening. Most of Hassler’s work is phenomenal, but this is the best.

I’d like to second the love for Jon Hassler, although I incline more toward the Staggerford series. And I like Erdrich and O’Brien a lot, too.

And if we were going to branch out to midwestern authors, Jane Smiley’s A Thousand Acres (aka King Lear set on an Iowa farm in the 1980s) totally appeals to my nerdiness.

But really, this whole post and thread make me very happy. And on a disgusting day like this, that’s something. I want to hear more about what other people read!

Gary Paulsen’s Hatchet – one of my favorite books from when I was a kid.

I second Gary Paulsen. All of his books really engrossed me as a youngster.

Michael Perry writes from Western WI, but has been to known to appear and read in the Cities with some regularity. He does great work.

I adore Louise Erdrich. I am currently reading The Last Report on the Miracles at Little No Horse.

A younger author I enjoy is Shannon Olson, but I think the book title “Welcome to My Planet : Where English Is Sometimes Spoken” is a little offensive.

Bill Holm for some of the best prose related to both the desolate and inspiring aspects of small town life on the prairie. Plus his book Coming Home Crazy is a must read for anyone who has traveled to a third-world country and found themselves strangely out of sync upon their return to ‘civilization’.

A little embarrassed to say it but Little House on the Prairie books were my favorites.

I’ll never forget the blizzard scene where they had to hold on for dear life to a rope (tied from the barn to the house) in order to make it back safely.

Plus locusts, scarlet fever, family feuds…doesn’t get any better than that.

Barbara Guest’s The Countess from Minneapolis

I’d say Hassler… “North of Hope” is probably my favorite. I’m also reading Bob Dylan’s “Chronicles: Volume One” right now and it’s fantastic. Any musichead should love it… Half the book is about all the musicians he has admired and who have influenced him, and about his own musical technique. And Sigurd Olson is one of the best wilderness writers ever. What everyone said about Gary Paulsen too.

And don’t forget Danielle Steele!

Gotta give it up for J.F. Powers. If you haven’t read Morte D’Urban, you really should.

Also the late Paul Gruchow. And the poetry of Deborah Keenan.

Oh, and let me add that Cliffotrd Simak’s City remains incredibly awesome. The word is taken over by talking dogs and intelligent ants!

As far as I know, Danielle Steele does not have a MN connection. Judith Guest, on the other hand, seems to give MN a good hook into that genre.

Danielle Steele is from MN?

I second the recommendation for Shannon Olson. I thought “Welcome to my Planet…” was hilarious. The follow-up “Children of God Go Bowling” was was also very good.

Shit, my bad.

I meant Lavyrle Spencer, she lives in Stillwater.

I was Clifford Simak’s paperboy about 35 years ago. Unlike many authors I’ve subsequently met, he was an incredibly nice guy.

I forgot, Charles Baxter also recently moved here (to teach at the U).

But, he has always been pretty Michigan-centric, so I don’t know if I’d consider him a MNauthor until I see his next book. And he once totally punked me out at a reading, sidestepping a perfectly good question and losing this fan in the process. I did see that the film rights for his “Feast of Love” were recently picked up.

gerg – He was born here, too. Mac grad.

huh, go figure. guess that explains it.

this was our exchange when he read at the U a few years ago:

me: your use of multiple narrators [in The Feast of Love] generally effective. but, i am curious why [one of main character] oscars voice was never heard. he is the only major character who does not narrate at least one chapter&

baxter: well& i think that the reason i didnt ever let oscar narrate was so that when my readers were done with the book, they would ask themselves, why didnt we ever hear oscars voice? next question.

i shit you not.

Where was that reading?

the weisman, IIRC….

sorry about the box-a-riffic quote above… stupid punctuation…

Yeah – I was totally there. Totally remember that. I remember his entire Q&A being way less than stellar that night…

ha! cool… i think he’s written some good stuff, i also think he’s got a wee bit of an ego. i imagine q/a for an author can be pretty stressful, but his answer to that question seriously irked me. it kind of overshadowed anything else about the q/a, so i don’t remember other bad answers.

Thanks to whoever fixed my Erdrich typo.

This thread and the nerd-map thread are reminding me of Joel Rosenberg, whose books I enjoyed quite a bit when I was a kid (i.e., before I grew up and decided that I should read “serious fiction” whenever I have time to read; and before he apparently a turned to religion).

As for those boxesmy experience has been that the punctuation looks okay on preview, but gets boxy once it’s posted. (Test: I pasted an em-dash between “boxes” and “my,” and it looks fine in the preview pane.)

gerg – Right on.

everyone else – gerg and i are done bogarting the thread.

My lame connection to O’Brien: I dated a girl that once hooked up with him. He was kinda a dick.

What about Kate DiCamillo? She lives here now.

almost forgot, and he doesn’t quiet qualify because he wasnt born here and doesn’t live here anymore, but one of my all-time favorite writers and one of the best contemporary playwrights in the nation, sam shepard, lived here for a few years (when he and jessica lange lived in stillwater).

he wrote one collection of short stories while he was here, “great dream of heaven,” and some of the stories are unmistakably minnesotan.

unmistakably minnesotan = unmistakably sexy

Leif Enger – author of Peace Like a River and the Gun Pedersen mysteries, which he wrote with his brother Lin using the pen name L.L. Enger.

Let me get this straight, kyle thinks Danielle Steele and Judith Guest write the same sort of books?

Best Minnesota connected books: O.E. Rolvaag’s Giants in the Earth, Thorstein Veblen’s The Theory of the Leisure Class.

I second the vote for Giants in the Earth and add Pete Hautman’s Godless. Godless is a “young adult” book, but what a great one. Won the National Book Award last year.

What about Diablo Cody!?!? What about Diablo Cody?
If you look at her blog, you’ll see that she said new things. She’s way better than any of these authors, because she totally speaks to me.

I can’t tell whether you’re joking or not, but I liked Cody’s recent blog entry where she admitted that she’s run out of things to say since she gave up stripping.

I’m not joking and that’s really mean. That blog entry is just being ironic. she’s had like five movie deals since then – and she’s been on *Letterman* and in EW. Has Tim O’Brien been in EW? No. He’s just jealous and so are you.

You got me dead to rights. Any criticism of anybody anywhere ever is just a mask for jealousy.

Listen, I won’t deny Cody’s got some talents as a writer, but if you honestly think she’s yet in a class with many of the other writers listen on this thread, you might want to head on over to the new library and do some reading. Cody is a still developing talent who relies too heavily on a certain quippy quality and an appealing, but slight, breeziness. We’ll see what she’ll develop into, but, for now, the jury is still out on her.

As for screenplays — well, Candyfan, if you honestly think Cody is the first person from Minnesota to have a screenplay kicking around in Hollywood, you’re delusional. I myself have had screenplays optioned, and I suspect I’m not the only one on MNSpeak who can make that claim. Until they’re actually turned into films, having a screenplay optioned in Hollwyood is really not that much to make a big fuss about.

It is impressive Cody’s been on Letterman. But, then, so has former Minnesota resident Tom Arnold, so let’s keep things in perspective. Making the rounds of a talk show is a testament to popularity (or a skilled publicist), but has nothing to do with talent.

And, finally, I see absolutely nothing in the blog entry I linked to that was ironic. It is to Cody’s credit that she realizes when she’s cranking out a lot of nothing — some writers do so for years and think they’re producing works of genius.

Not everyone is jealous – mostly just you. That screenplay isn’t just kicking around. The buzz on it already says it’s brilliant. It’s going to be a movie, unlike your screenplay. That’s why you’re jealous. That’s the difference between you and Cody. People really like to read her stuff, but they don’t really care about you. That’s why everyone on these boards says terrible things about her – a mixture of personal and sexual jealousy.

The jury isn’t out. Go to the Amazon page – there are *twenty* reviews there, and they are all totally positive. The sales speak for themselves. The jury is in – Cody One Million, You Zero.

Her quippy quality is a mark of strength. It’s a new form of writing, directly translating the blogosphere into novel literary experiments. She’s a pioneer, and, like most pioneers, she has to suffer through the barbs of stodgy detractors.

“Has Tim O’Brien been in EW?” is the funniest interrogative to ever be posed on this site.

I still suspect Candyfan is putting us on. But, then, I’m really mean.

Yeah, Candyfan is either pranking or 16. Not even my Diablo fan boy poses have that much zeal!

Okay, I’m wrong on two counts: not pranking and more zeal. Weird!

O.E. Rolvaag’s never been in EW either, I bet. Won a Nobel Prize, though, in spite of not mentioning pussy once in Giants in the Earth.

As for popularity, I can’t help but think of H.L. Mencken. “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public”

As for Diablo being a pioneer, she’s not even the first one at City Pages to write about stripping. Judith Lewis did it long ago, in fact so long ago, it was before City Pages had a web site. While you are at the library, Candyfan, look it up. Good story.

Who is O.E. Rolvaag? That’s like a fat weird dwarf or something. You’re hung up on dwarves and giants. Maybe you should stop playing D&D. If you weren’t rolling gnome dice all the time, you’d probably like cooler books. Nobel Prizes are for lame old people who make books hard.

Judith Lewis probably wrote something boring and dumb about stripping. Cody Diablo’s innovation isn’t in her subject matter. It’s in her ability to conduct groundbreaking stylistic experiments. Seriously – have you ever read anyone with metaphors that cool? No. You haven’t, even counting in Gary Gygax.

All right! Enough of this prank! It’s hysterical, but it has to stop!

Gary Gygax! Genius!

By the way, I have had a film made.

The jury is in – Cody One Million, You Zero.

A Jury of a Million Cody Fans Can’t be Wrong.

All of sudden you’re Corey Anderson!

I don’t see what’s so funny. Diablo Cody changed my life. She gave me the courage to stand up to my parents and get the piercings that *I* want – for me, not for anyone else.

These aren’t just fans – they are respected reviewers on Amazon who use their real names! Besides, she has an article in Elle, which is French. And she’s really funny, but all your gnome dwarves write about is dumb farmhouses. I don’t like farmhouses. I like TV, and so do cool people – so shut up.

Rex or Matt, can we check the IP address of Candyfan and compare it against our regular submitters to find out who the poster really is? Somebody deserves a freakin’ award for this. Or at least a beer.

I will gladly buy Candyfan one beer for every beer Max buys.

I vote for Ann Bauer’s A Wild Ride Up The Cupboard. She’s a great writer and talented. She’s way cool, too!!! I loved her book!!!

I’ve been dying to debate Diablo Cody with somebody! Has anyone met her? I would love to! I think that once Candyfan gets a couple of years older, Candyfan will slowly realize that there are a lot of talented writers/artists/physical therapists out there. Just because somebody gets on Letterman doesn’t mean that person has talent.

Candyfan: your parents love you! Diablo Cody doesn’t give a shit about you. She just wants you to buy her book.

I thought Cody’s book was slightly enjoyable. Although, it had this over-marketed vibe that creeped me out.

I vote for all the unpublished writers who work hard and have shitty day jobs as bus boys at Campbello’s. These people are the true artists!!!

My dad never made a million dollars and he was a very talented painter. He was never on Letterman and yet he had a great body of work!

There you go!

Max, are you going to meet up with Candyfan at Borders tomorrow?

12:30 pm? Don’t people work for a living?

I’m tempted to go, but I have a scrappy little independent newsweekly to lay out.

I suppose you don’t take a lunch if you take 2 minute breaks every 5 minutes.

what an excuse. you’re so obviously jealous.

I am jealous. But it’s a great motivator. If I didn’t covet what other people have, I’d probably never do anything at all.

well, you didn’t have to get all sincere all the sudden . . . looks like Candyfan really got to you.

I’m not sure about all those other get togethers, but tomorrow’s reading sounds like the ultimate MNSpeak get-together to me . . .

Max is in love with Cody, he wants to have her babies.

I think it’s really unfair of Reno to say that “Diablo doesn’t give a shit about you.” She doesn’t know that, maybe Diablo finds Candyfan as hilarious as the rest of us.

The fist ever!

Um, regarding the MNSpeak get-together.

The fist ever!

Um, Max, what are you doing over there?

Not the babies?

I think you know.

Wasn’t the Cody reading on Sunday/Mother’s Day? I’m sad was in Iowa visiting my Grandmother and had to miss it.

What’s MNSpeak get together?

Why do I always feel like I’m not part of the clique on MNSpeak???

Cheers!!!

It’s tomorrow. Diablo Cody at Borders downtown.

Reno, I linked to the reading on my 8:56 comment above . . .

and don’t worry, it sometimes can be a little clique-y around here, and many of the cool kids do know each other, but just as many don’t — so just strip down to your skivvies and jump right in . . .

Reno Dakota, I really like you!

Spaceman is probably gay, but he’s right. You should strip too! You have a cool stripper name, because states are good for that! When I get old enough to strip, I’m going to name myself after a state, like Alabama or Miami or maybe Idaho. Your name is double cool because it’s like Dakota but it’s also like Las Vegas.

You also like lots of exclamation points just like I do when I’m writing to cool people! These guys obviously aren’t cool; they just play with their dodecahedrons. They’re creepy stalkers who want to stalk my IQP or something then get me drunk. Whatevs! If I want creepy old guys stalking me, I’ll just ride the bus, OK?

You’re totally right about my parents. They really do love me, but I just don’t think they really get it, you know? That’s why I love Diablo so much – she knows how I’m feeling, and stuff I care about, and she knows that you can be smart and still like cool clothes and TV! When I start stripping, I’m sure they’ll be cool with it like Diablo’s parents were.

I know you think she’s shallow, but that’s wrong! If you read her blog, you can totally see that she loves her dog and her husband and her stories are like real – she’s just not a snob who wants to write about farmhouses and cupboards. Seriously, all these dumb books are just about furniture; it’s like watching HGTV. If I ever get old enough to watch HGTV and read about interior decorating, I’ll be all wrinkly and I hope someone kills me.

Reno Dakota, I really like you too! That probably makes me gay, but at least I’m right, and it’s good to know those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. So, are we, like totally gonna meet up at the reading today, or what? (I’ll be in the furniture/interior decorating section using the name Georgia Hunt)

OK, maybe that went a little bit too far in character. I have no opinions on your preference, Spacefan, either descriptively or normatively; perhaps this alter ego would.

I also think that everyone posting on this thread sounds very well-adjusted, well-meaning and well-read. I am, indeed, being very mean, but, as msparber correctly sussed out, any venom is directed elsewhere. In other words, 100% joke, folks.

Rex maybe merits a gentle biff. You honestly believed that someone could say any of that with a straight face? Well, I guess they do…thus the joke…but still.

If I fully delurk, consider those beers collected.

[everything Candyfan writes]

LOL.¹

¹As long as you’re not on the Enemies List that I’ve got posted on the outside of my cube, it will be a beer-ific time!

God, the level of smug self-righteousness around here makes me actually sick.

Jonny, are YOU Candyfan??

No. Because if I was, my venom *wouldn’t* have been directed elsewhere.

To borrow your trademark witty, withering one-line response: “You have GOT to be kidding me.”

I agree!

People are pathetically eager to vilify young, financially successful artists, especially if they think they’re formulaic or derivative. Their smug denunciations are so…middle class.

Stupid plebes.

p.s. Jonny, we’re riding on the Cape this weekend. Do you and Di wanna come? Let me know soon, because Maria’s embarrassingly slovenly about keeping up the second guest room.

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