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		<title>By: notthatmatt</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-28021</link>
		<dc:creator>notthatmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banning smoking in bars in fine with me.  Just dont ban getting drunk in bars.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/23/texas.bars.reut/index.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Appearently that is what they are up to in Texas &lt;/a&gt;- so I expect Burnsville to be next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banning smoking in bars in fine with me.  Just dont ban getting drunk in bars.  <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/23/texas.bars.reut/index.html" target="_blank">Appearently that is what they are up to in Texas </a>- so I expect Burnsville to be next.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27973</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerking off is plenty legal, but doing it in a public place isn&#039;t, even though it doesn&#039;t cause any physical harm to anyone (as long as you&#039;re not standing too close to me i suppose).&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerking off is plenty legal, but doing it in a public place isn&#8217;t, even though it doesn&#8217;t cause any physical harm to anyone (as long as you&#8217;re not standing too close to me i suppose).</p>
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		<title>By: kjm</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27972</link>
		<dc:creator>kjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Only 12.3 percent of the American Population is Black. Why should we afford them equal rights? &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Blacks don&#039;t choose their skin color, people CHOOSE to smoke (at least those who don&#039;t have to breathe in others anyway). that was a totally moronic statement to make&lt;br /&gt;
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also, my only interest in bars is seeing live music. i see anywhere between 80-100+ shows a year and i rarely drink when i go to shows (2-3 drinks at the bar = another show).&lt;br /&gt;
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last year around this time i was diagnosed with Adult Asthma, which was attributed both to my allergies and most likely my over-exposure to smoky environments (100 shows a year in smokey dive bars will do that to you). as someone who grew up in high school running long distance and who was a state finalist 3 years out of the 3 seasons i went out in track, you can&#039;t imagine how much it sucks to have problems breathing day to day now, when just 10 years ago i was able to run a 4:20 mile, and now i&#039;d be lucky if i could run sub 6:00 without my chest feeling like it&#039;s going to cave in.&lt;br /&gt;
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now yes, going to that many shows was my own decisions and nobody elses, so i suppose in essence i do deserve a bit of the blame, but without smoking at those shows, i have to wonder if i&#039;d currently have my breathing troubles...&lt;br /&gt;
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all i know is that now i can go to my concerts and not worry nearly as much about my health, and that makes my life a whole lot better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Only 12.3 percent of the American Population is Black. Why should we afford them equal rights? </em></p>
<p>Blacks don&#8217;t choose their skin color, people CHOOSE to smoke (at least those who don&#8217;t have to breathe in others anyway). that was a totally moronic statement to make</p>
<p>also, my only interest in bars is seeing live music. i see anywhere between 80-100+ shows a year and i rarely drink when i go to shows (2-3 drinks at the bar = another show).</p>
<p>last year around this time i was diagnosed with Adult Asthma, which was attributed both to my allergies and most likely my over-exposure to smoky environments (100 shows a year in smokey dive bars will do that to you). as someone who grew up in high school running long distance and who was a state finalist 3 years out of the 3 seasons i went out in track, you can&#8217;t imagine how much it sucks to have problems breathing day to day now, when just 10 years ago i was able to run a 4:20 mile, and now i&#8217;d be lucky if i could run sub 6:00 without my chest feeling like it&#8217;s going to cave in.</p>
<p>now yes, going to that many shows was my own decisions and nobody elses, so i suppose in essence i do deserve a bit of the blame, but without smoking at those shows, i have to wonder if i&#8217;d currently have my breathing troubles&#8230;</p>
<p>all i know is that now i can go to my concerts and not worry nearly as much about my health, and that makes my life a whole lot better.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil M.</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27958</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom-&lt;br /&gt;
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As much as this will probably make you cringe, you hit the bulk of my point right on the head.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The smoking ban is silly, and a waste of government brainpower.  Seriously, if this is the biggest issue facing any municipality, then, the need for municipal government has probably been extinguished.  I am sure a lot of bar owners would agree with a tax incentive for going non smoking, but cities neglected to collect more than token bar owner input.  Banning smoking in offices and other places of skilled labor make sense, but doing so in bars, where smoking is one of the pilars upon which the business was built,  and where workers needn&#039;t advanced training to work, well, that is overkill.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I would truly be interested to see how a voluntarially non-smoking bar would do.  But, I guess we will never know.  Because the majority has decided to tell the minority that they disaprove of a legal act, so rather than educating the minority as to the hazzards of their ways, they have decided to outlaw the minority class.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom-</p>
<p>As much as this will probably make you cringe, you hit the bulk of my point right on the head.  </p>
<p>The smoking ban is silly, and a waste of government brainpower.  Seriously, if this is the biggest issue facing any municipality, then, the need for municipal government has probably been extinguished.  I am sure a lot of bar owners would agree with a tax incentive for going non smoking, but cities neglected to collect more than token bar owner input.  Banning smoking in offices and other places of skilled labor make sense, but doing so in bars, where smoking is one of the pilars upon which the business was built,  and where workers needn&#8217;t advanced training to work, well, that is overkill.  </p>
<p>I would truly be interested to see how a voluntarially non-smoking bar would do.  But, I guess we will never know.  Because the majority has decided to tell the minority that they disaprove of a legal act, so rather than educating the minority as to the hazzards of their ways, they have decided to outlaw the minority class.  </p>
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		<title>By: The Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27944</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have the magic powers alamn. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have the magic powers alamn. </p>
<p>And you know it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27941</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard people talk about ballgames. Many people curse like sailors, but no one can smoke. Used to be the other way around. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard people talk about ballgames. Many people curse like sailors, but no one can smoke. Used to be the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: alamn</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27943</link>
		<dc:creator>alamn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like friend hipmn, I won&#039;t waste time arguing online with Phil Moron. He had one statement that caught my eye, though:&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;Studys can say whatever Bob wants them to...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Watch out for Bob. Him have magic powers. Him make studys talk....&lt;br /&gt;
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I wonder if I can make studies talk, too? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like friend hipmn, I won&#8217;t waste time arguing online with Phil Moron. He had one statement that caught my eye, though:</p>
<p>&#8220;Studys can say whatever Bob wants them to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Watch out for Bob. Him have magic powers. Him make studys talk&#8230;.</p>
<p>I wonder if I can make studies talk, too?</p>
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		<title>By: hipmn</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27939</link>
		<dc:creator>hipmn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no way to respind to you politely anymore, so I will bow out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no way to respind to you politely anymore, so I will bow out.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27940</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Smoke. Just don&#039;t do it in bars.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Or in the workplace, or at the airport, or a ballgame. Check out Calabasas, California&#039;s new law. It can&#039;t be done, basically in public, even outdoors. &lt;br /&gt;
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This has all the earmarks of zealot religion. What&#039;s the difference?&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Smoke. Just don&#8217;t do it in bars.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or in the workplace, or at the airport, or a ballgame. Check out Calabasas, California&#8217;s new law. It can&#8217;t be done, basically in public, even outdoors. </p>
<p>This has all the earmarks of zealot religion. What&#8217;s the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: TBartel</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8969#comment-27945</link>
		<dc:creator>TBartel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Phil. I am on your side. I think the smoking ban is silly. I say those who don&#039;t want to breathe in smoky bars, don&#039;t go there. I stopped going to bars long ago. Of course, I&#039;ve started going again since the smoking ban. I like the idea of having positive and negative incentives such as taxes to influence public policy. Outright bans are not so elegant.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other hand, I do favor banning smoking in offices. Not everybody can work somewhere else.&lt;br /&gt;
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And if I were in that business, I&#039;d have a non-smoking bar and advertise the hell out of that fact. I think I&#039;d have a competitive advantage that I&#039;d like to exploit. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Phil. I am on your side. I think the smoking ban is silly. I say those who don&#8217;t want to breathe in smoky bars, don&#8217;t go there. I stopped going to bars long ago. Of course, I&#8217;ve started going again since the smoking ban. I like the idea of having positive and negative incentives such as taxes to influence public policy. Outright bans are not so elegant.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do favor banning smoking in offices. Not everybody can work somewhere else.</p>
<p>And if I were in that business, I&#8217;d have a non-smoking bar and advertise the hell out of that fact. I think I&#8217;d have a competitive advantage that I&#8217;d like to exploit.</p>
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