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	<title>Comments on: Minnesota (heart) ethanol!</title>
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		<title>By: knute6</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-34817</link>
		<dc:creator>knute6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 06:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys need a quality used bike, tuned up by us !!!!&lt;br /&gt;
Save the earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys need a quality used bike, tuned up by us !!!!<br />
Save the earth</p>
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		<title>By: richg</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26522</link>
		<dc:creator>richg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it might be the flooring it that leads to your troubles with fuel economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it might be the flooring it that leads to your troubles with fuel economy.</p>
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		<title>By: johnjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26449</link>
		<dc:creator>johnjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the turbo in my wrx doesn&#039;t seem to help with fuel efficiency much. it helps putting a smile on my face when i floor it, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the turbo in my wrx doesn&#8217;t seem to help with fuel efficiency much. it helps putting a smile on my face when i floor it, though!</p>
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		<title>By: alamn</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26431</link>
		<dc:creator>alamn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We &lt;strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt; have problems with ground-level ozone (which leds to smog) and particulate air pollution in Minnesota, just not a severe as in other regions. We only just started measuring the particulates, which is perhaps why some have not heard of the problem.  Our (relatively) clean skies are due largely to a fortunate combination of weather and geography, yet there are things we can all do to reduce outdoor air pollution in Minnesota beyond biofuels.&lt;br /&gt;
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We should also remember that we can also reduce pollution by car-sharing, limiting or bundling trips, riding the bus or light rail, and even using bikes and feet when possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We <strong>do</strong> have problems with ground-level ozone (which leds to smog) and particulate air pollution in Minnesota, just not a severe as in other regions. We only just started measuring the particulates, which is perhaps why some have not heard of the problem.  Our (relatively) clean skies are due largely to a fortunate combination of weather and geography, yet there are things we can all do to reduce outdoor air pollution in Minnesota beyond biofuels.</p>
<p>We should also remember that we can also reduce pollution by car-sharing, limiting or bundling trips, riding the bus or light rail, and even using bikes and feet when possible.</p>
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		<title>By: richg</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26415</link>
		<dc:creator>richg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I could swear we had some particulate warnings last summer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I could swear we had some particulate warnings last summer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richg</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26414</link>
		<dc:creator>richg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange test. Is it supposed to simulate highway driving? Tooling around the city? Given that most turbochargers don&#039;t even spin up until you accelerate with some serious purpose, I&#039;m still quite curious about the ins and outs of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange test. Is it supposed to simulate highway driving? Tooling around the city? Given that most turbochargers don&#8217;t even spin up until you accelerate with some serious purpose, I&#8217;m still quite curious about the ins and outs of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Cary</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26413</link>
		<dc:creator>Cary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biodiesel produces more particulates than gas, but less NOx.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s a tradeoff. We don&#039;t have smog problems here in MN so the particulate issue is kinda moot. That and the fact that PM filters are just about ready for full production use makes diesels a viable alternative to gassers.&lt;br /&gt;
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And turbos FTW. I&#039;m addicted to boost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biodiesel produces more particulates than gas, but less NOx.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tradeoff. We don&#8217;t have smog problems here in MN so the particulate issue is kinda moot. That and the fact that PM filters are just about ready for full production use makes diesels a viable alternative to gassers.</p>
<p>And turbos FTW. I&#8217;m addicted to boost.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26390</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richg-&lt;br /&gt;
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The reason the US has fewer turbochargers is because of the drive-cycle the EPA uses to test emissions.   The Europeans use a blocky, unnatural combination of acceleration and breaking, on a test bench, while measuring the exhaust for emissions.  Americans use a combination of accelerations and brakings which are meant to resemble driving around California one afternoon, I think.  I can&#039;t remember.  But we figured it out in the 70s I think, and the auto companies aren&#039;t real fond of it, especially since they have to tune engines differently for the US and for Europe.&lt;br /&gt;
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The short of it is that the US drive cycle disfavors turbo-chargers, because it has long periods of hot exhaust, which causes the formation of NOx.  You need to get NOx emissions down in the US.  It may be that the bio-power Saab does this.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other bonehead news, what&#039;s up with D-rock pushing corn gas so heavy, with no good cars to burn it?!?  About the only steed in the GM stable I&#039;d buy is the 9-3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richg-</p>
<p>The reason the US has fewer turbochargers is because of the drive-cycle the EPA uses to test emissions.   The Europeans use a blocky, unnatural combination of acceleration and breaking, on a test bench, while measuring the exhaust for emissions.  Americans use a combination of accelerations and brakings which are meant to resemble driving around California one afternoon, I think.  I can&#8217;t remember.  But we figured it out in the 70s I think, and the auto companies aren&#8217;t real fond of it, especially since they have to tune engines differently for the US and for Europe.</p>
<p>The short of it is that the US drive cycle disfavors turbo-chargers, because it has long periods of hot exhaust, which causes the formation of NOx.  You need to get NOx emissions down in the US.  It may be that the bio-power Saab does this.</p>
<p>In other bonehead news, what&#8217;s up with D-rock pushing corn gas so heavy, with no good cars to burn it?!?  About the only steed in the GM stable I&#8217;d buy is the 9-3.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin from Minneapolis</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26386</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin from Minneapolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad told me today his corn is trading at about $1.85.  Ethanol isn&#039;t just an investment in our automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad told me today his corn is trading at about $1.85.  Ethanol isn&#8217;t just an investment in our automobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: hopped up on goofballs</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8919#comment-26383</link>
		<dc:creator>hopped up on goofballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, wanted to add an interesting contrarian note: biodiesel produces a lot more smog than trad gas. not the greenhouse gases kind, apparently, but the yellow-haze-of-Los-Angeles type of smog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, wanted to add an interesting contrarian note: biodiesel produces a lot more smog than trad gas. not the greenhouse gases kind, apparently, but the yellow-haze-of-Los-Angeles type of smog.</p>
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