Comments on: What The Heck Is This Website, Anyway? http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857 Minneapolis + St. Paul Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:23:37 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: myname http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-51347 myname Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:02:37 +0000 #comment-51347 hello makakas http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1408.cfm hello makakas http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1408.cfm

]]> By: courtney http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-38555 courtney Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:41:18 +0000 #comment-38555 why did this thread just come back from february?? why did this thread just come back from february??

]]> By: courtney http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-38553 courtney Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:02:53 +0000 #comment-38553 a site like this can do journalism. with the fluidity of knowledge and ideas its better in the sense that its interactive, we are the ones involved and providing the journalism, and just that it is so fluid, but of course a professional news source is better in the sense that their journalists have the ability to go places and inside stories that non-journalists sometimes can't, and i suppose they have more validity. i think this is a news source, just a post modern one. a site like this can do journalism. with the fluidity of knowledge and ideas its better in the sense that its interactive, we are the ones involved and providing the journalism, and just that it is so fluid, but of course a professional news source is better in the sense that their journalists have the ability to go places and inside stories that non-journalists sometimes can’t, and i suppose they have more validity. i think this is a news source, just a post modern one.

]]> By: taulpaul http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-24983 taulpaul Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:44:03 +0000 #comment-24983 Maybe we can look at this lumped into a larger segment of the broader DIY movement.<br /> Maybe we can look at this lumped into a larger segment of the broader DIY movement.

]]> By: rex http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-24981 rex Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:17:05 +0000 #comment-24981 Hey Andrew, good to see you! <br /> <br /> As Calacanis has pointed out recently (rather visciously, methinks), Jarvis indeed has not done any official Citizen J projects himself. I'm not sure that disqualifies him from anything though -- his monstrously successful blog is full of good info and he's a very lucid commentator in person and on tv. Additionally, he also founded my favorite magazine (Entertainment Weekly) and has worked with places like NYtimes.com and About.com on new media strategy. And he's working a Citizen J company right now, so maybe that'll put some proof into the pudding.<br /> <br /> (Here's <a href="http://blogumentary.org/video/jeffjarvis.mov" target="_blank">an example</a> from <em>Blogumentary</em> of Jarvis talking.) Hey Andrew, good to see you!

As Calacanis has pointed out recently (rather visciously, methinks), Jarvis indeed has not done any official Citizen J projects himself. I’m not sure that disqualifies him from anything though — his monstrously successful blog is full of good info and he’s a very lucid commentator in person and on tv. Additionally, he also founded my favorite magazine (Entertainment Weekly) and has worked with places like NYtimes.com and About.com on new media strategy. And he’s working a Citizen J company right now, so maybe that’ll put some proof into the pudding.

(Here’s an example from Blogumentary of Jarvis talking.)

]]> By: AndrewH http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-24977 AndrewH Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:53:17 +0000 #comment-24977 I've yet to read the whole slew of postings yet, but plan to, as I'm totally fascinated by the conversation ... and think it's important. <br /> <br /> A question: Can someone show me something really, truly journalistic that Jeff Jarvis has done, or at least enabled? Best I can tell he, like Gillmor, saw a chance to become an impresario of "citizen journalism" or We Media or whatever. They're long on ideas, but to me, way short on execution. <br /> <br /> Sure, they've perfromed a major service by spreading the mantra: Our audience knows more than we do. But beyond that? What? <br /> <br /> If you're interested, check out what we're doing at MPR: www.mpr.org/publicinsight. It works, and at its best it combines the best of MNSpeak with the best of journalism (vetting, synthesizing, etc). I’ve yet to read the whole slew of postings yet, but plan to, as I’m totally fascinated by the conversation … and think it’s important.

A question: Can someone show me something really, truly journalistic that Jeff Jarvis has done, or at least enabled? Best I can tell he, like Gillmor, saw a chance to become an impresario of “citizen journalism” or We Media or whatever. They’re long on ideas, but to me, way short on execution.

Sure, they’ve perfromed a major service by spreading the mantra: Our audience knows more than we do. But beyond that? What?

If you’re interested, check out what we’re doing at MPR: http://www.mpr.org/publicinsight. It works, and at its best it combines the best of MNSpeak with the best of journalism (vetting, synthesizing, etc).

]]> By: spaceman http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-24964 spaceman Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:52:09 +0000 #comment-24964 No, no, TBartel, the phrase is just one big loaded pun. I, literally, thought it was funny.<br /> <br /> On a serious note, I don't believe it is a problem of not digging deep enough, I think it is a problem of people already having defined their 'truth' and hearing what they want to believe. Miller wasn't hoodwinked by the White House (how was she supposed to see the WMD herself anyway?); she asked an 'authority' questions already knowing what the answers would be and then reported them.<br /> <br /> The same is true for this site, Fox News, or someone's blog: we're just talking, laying down our truths. The only way this is a 'valuable news site' is to find what other peoples' versions of the truth are, and then see how ours fits in. It is a very rare moment that people on this site that have different viewpoints will say, "yes, I see your facts appear to be in order; I'm going to rethink my position." Instead, we have <a href="http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1403.cfm" target="_blank">this</a>. But this is the same for FOX News, or blog X as well. No, no, TBartel, the phrase is just one big loaded pun. I, literally, thought it was funny.

On a serious note, I don’t believe it is a problem of not digging deep enough, I think it is a problem of people already having defined their ‘truth’ and hearing what they want to believe. Miller wasn’t hoodwinked by the White House (how was she supposed to see the WMD herself anyway?); she asked an ‘authority’ questions already knowing what the answers would be and then reported them.

The same is true for this site, Fox News, or someone’s blog: we’re just talking, laying down our truths. The only way this is a ‘valuable news site’ is to find what other peoples’ versions of the truth are, and then see how ours fits in. It is a very rare moment that people on this site that have different viewpoints will say, “yes, I see your facts appear to be in order; I’m going to rethink my position.” Instead, we have this. But this is the same for FOX News, or blog X as well.

]]> By: bud http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-24930 bud Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:51:23 +0000 #comment-24930 Still sporting that Kerry / Edwards sticker on the Volvo, TBartel?<br /> <br /> Sigh. Still sporting that Kerry / Edwards sticker on the Volvo, TBartel?

Sigh.

]]> By: TBartel http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-24922 TBartel Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:34:47 +0000 #comment-24922 That's COMPLICIT in starting a war, Spaceman. This administration is nothing if not adept at media manipulation for their own propaganda purposes, e.g. the Swift Boaters, whose claims were easily disproven (and were by the NY Times and Washington Post) and yet were widely distributed in the name of Fox's "balance." I could go on, but... That’s COMPLICIT in starting a war, Spaceman. This administration is nothing if not adept at media manipulation for their own propaganda purposes, e.g. the Swift Boaters, whose claims were easily disproven (and were by the NY Times and Washington Post) and yet were widely distributed in the name of Fox’s “balance.” I could go on, but…

]]> By: spaceman http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8857#comment-24867 spaceman Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:32:49 +0000 #comment-24867 <em>starting a war for God's sake </em><br /> <br /> that's <em>funny!</em> starting a war for God’s sake

that’s funny!

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