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Are we going to start hearing about it everytime a number of viewers complain about an advertisement? I’m interested to hear from someone at KARE11 why these complaints are newsworthy when others aren’t. Maybe it’s because the ad has local ties? That’s all I can think of.

I’m sure DeRusha can chime in on this, but each station has their own priorities as to what’s news. I work with reporters every day, and the sense I’ve gotten as I’ve spoken with them and their producers is that each station has different angles and keys that have to be hit in order to make their “news threshold.” Those editorial priorities are usually why one station will cover a story and others won’t.

During the election season I don’t listen to MPR anymore because there news threshold is way low. It consists of: “Candidate A is pissed off about an ad that Candidate B aired, so now Candidate B is running an ad and shocking as it may seem, Candidate A is now pissed off.” Oh and here’s the best. Somehow its news on MPR when some yutz from some partisan think tank says anything. Not sure what I care less about, what some think tanker says or what the latest memoir writer has to say.

I work with reporters a lot too and I’m always surprised by what they variously consider news, this just seems to be a real stretch for me because I’m sure it happens a lot.

I don’t give a rat’s ass about baby back ribs, but I’d be damned happy to see a Waffle House come up to the Cities.

Here here on the Waffle House. We also need a Bob Evans.

Kevin, do you think it has anything to do with the fact that the commercial is full of lies?

Yeah, and we need some Deli’s, especially in downtown St. Paul.

Nobody needs a Chilis.

Except maybe Deluth.

Here we go, Pat chimes in with the lefties favorite word “lies”. Somehow I doubt the guys in the ad would lie.

Some real delis would be great.

Pat,
No, and I’m not goint to join that debate nor did I intend to start it. It is readily available in many other places.

I am simply wondering out loud why these complaints over this commercial made the KARE11 news when I am fairly sure KARE11 receives lots of complaints from viewers about all sorts of things and never makes news stories out of them.

My guess would be that it is because there is a local man in the commercial or that they somehow feel they need to provide “balance,” even though that argument would be dubious unless they start “balancing” all their paid advertisements with similar news stories.

When I was going through “j school” I did my best to write stories that wouldn’t make someone say, “So what?” This story does that to me.

I’m not surprised by the often low news threshold anymore. In fact, sometimes I’m pretty happy about it. You should hear some of the calls I get on holiday weekends.

Delis in general, especially ones that have real lox, would be great. I can only think of two quality delis in the metro.

I hate to jump in with support for a chain… but I’d really like to see Steak-n-Shake come up here. Comparable to Culver’s, yes, but open 24 hours. Put one close to downtown so there is some decent food option for those of us who work late or all night. Their food is 10x better than White Castle.

I’ll appologize first, as I am indignant and irate today. But I somehow just felt like screaming when I began scanning through these comments. Don’t misunderstand, I realize I’m being irrational, but how can we spend so much time talking about our urgent need for delis and baby back ribs when there’s so much shit going on around us? (yes, i know, because it’s all so easy for us to ignore)

I won’t even comment on the whole war commercial thing, but I will say this… The lack of real news in this country is astounding. The pack of lies we are feed is revolting. The ignorance we are fomenting is devastating.

The United States is carrying out a full-on war throughout the world right now — FOR WHAT!? So we can have our damn delis and our damn hummers!? Last week, the FBI invaded six cities in Puerto Rico, 1400 marines invaded a town in the Dominican Republic, and the Armed Forces penetrated Venezuela. What have we heard of this? The only headlines i found read: FBI Thwarts Terrorist Attack in Puerto Rico. The article claims the FBI put down the Boricua Army. What terrorist attack? What Boricua Army? There was not a single arrest!

This is the state of the world today. This is our country. Screw a stupid pro-war ad. We are living in a pro-war country, built on pro-war ideals, and a long history of gruesome self-important violence hidden under the gross guise of freedom and humanitariansm.

Like I said, sorry… I’m a bit upset.

I saw that commercial after Meet the Press on Sunday morning, and again on another show, so I thought it was national coverage. All I can think is that it’s too little, too late. Most Americans have come around to accepting the fact that the war was a bad idea, and their support isn’t coming back.

That’s not to say anyone doesn’t want a positive outcome in Iraq. The logical conclusion that “Progress for America” would like to lead us to is that we should go on blindly throwing money and troops down a hole and believe the Bush administration when every few months, they repeat their “yeah, maybe we got it wrong, but we’re turning the corner (and this time we mean it!)” BS.

Saddam was a bad guy, but he didn’t have WMD, and Iran was a more serious threat that has only grown because of the war. Politics in the Middle East have certainly changed since the war, and we can’t credit Bush for the old, decrepit kings and emirs who died, but we can certainly thank him for the anti-US sentiment of the powers that have risen since then. We’re not “fighting al Qaida in Iraq so we don’t have to fight them here”, we’re just opening another front — in case you haven’t noticed, AQ wasn’t there before we got there, and striking America at its strongest point hasn’t exactly been its modus operandi.

I could go on about the current stupidity that is Iraq, but I don’t want to start ranting

Mmm, I went to the BEST Waffle House in Toledo off the Ohio Turnpike. There was a Bob Evans across the street…but we felt the call of the waffles.

I could use an IN -N – OUT burger….

More lies, more lies! Cristina, lighten up a bit and don’t believe the lefty mantra of it’s all doom-n-gloom.
I wonder if the Boricua Army and Al Qaeda will be establishing their own Peace Corps, establishing tolerance for women and gays, enacting freedom of religion rights, maintaining endangered species protections, giving money to UN, etc.. once the get into power? I wonder who is pro-war?

Cristina:

Don’t get your hemp underwear in a bunch, dear.

When the terrorists are blowing up your favorite tofu haunt in Up-dale, you’ll understand why it is neccessary for brave Americans to SLAUGHTER these bastards NOW in Iraq.

Got it?

Lock and load.

Best commercial ever.

Salute the brave Americans who defend our freedom against extremists who would gladly slit our throats if they could.

They are willing to die for their cause. We better be willing to kill to defend ours – freedom.

Now let’s drink a toast to Valentine’s day!

Hoo-rah!

I’ve seen the ad twice in the last 24 hours. I certainly do have a problem with justifying the war saying we’re going after terrorists and al Qaeda. I don’t know how many times it has to be said that al Qaeda and terrorists were not in Iraq at the beginning of this war, that Bush administration led us into war with Iraq in defiance of the United Nations solely to take out Saddam , who turned out to be a non-threat thanks to the complete non-existence of WMDs…

Sure, we do have to worry about the terrorists now. Please, Please, Please, remember who we have to thank for that when you go to vote!

Do what I do, listen to the BBC and engage in a pastrami-based therapy regimen.

god you’re such a fuckstain bud, seriously, spend that fat rebate check Dubya is giving you to BUY A CLUE.

bud, you are an asshole.

By your egregious name-calling, moe, you must be a liberal democrat.

Cheers!

establishing tolerance for women and gays

ha ha ha.

yes… on valentine’s day it’s good to remember that our society “tolerates” women.

and gays… are you trying to be funny?

Apparently ‘mike’ is a freedom hater, too.

And fond of over-used boring psuedo-insults.

Salut!

moe, i seriously hope he’s just someone having fun, cuz all of the right wing friends i have here at my work are much smarter than that.

gerg I was being nice to them. Hoping they could have a little tolerance first.
Do you really know what it’s like in other countries for gays?

Thanks you, gerg.. that was my precise thought.

And, bud… I AM from Puerto Rico. My favorite tofu haunt IS being metaphorically blown up.

And, Richard, THERE IS NO @#*&ing Boricua Army. There hasn’t been a real movement of any kind in Puerto Rico since the 70s. It’s ludicrous. Honestly, I think we just needed to fill our quota of anti-terrorism in order to justify the Patriot Act. Stalin did the same thing! Gnaw on that a while. These are not leftist ramblings. They are human reactions!!!!

And, yes, my underwear — while not made of hemp — are definitely in a bunch.

I’m over it now. Thanks.

Yo, always fun to witness the thoughtful and intelligent repartee of the liberal.

Me, I lhappen to like dead terrorists!

keep living in your dream world bud

when the first suicide bomber goes off in NYC in a year or two from now, can i say i told you so? and that we’re not any safer now than we were on 9/10?

Oh, and I think the Twin Cities need more Popeye’s. Will Hardees ever come back as Carl’s Jr.?

I don’t mind indulging in Bob Evans and Waffle House when I’m down that way, but it’s fine if they want to stay in that little niche.

I’m more in favor of exporting some of the duller chain(-alike)s that had no place being here to begin with, i.e. Bilimbi Bay, Hard Rock Cafe, Rainforest Cafe, Doolittle’s, and the not-yet-open NBA City in Target Center.

What the hell happened here?

Knock off the craziness, people, and get back to figuring out how to get me a decent soup and sandwich for lunch! God damn!

this ad is such a disgrace

My son is currently serving in Iraq and he is in combat (unlike Mr. Stephenson, who never saw a minute of combat).

Mike: You want safety?

Close the borders.

Bring back racial profiling.

And arm yourself.

Peace through superior firepower, bro.

Prosit!

bud, what’s your address, i’d like to send you some Valentines Day candy

and Richard, yeah, cuz unlike you, most of us have actually travelled outside of our own little utopian dream world here in the midwest

AND THIS IS VALENTINE’S DAY! SHOW SOME LOVE! GOD DAMN!

champs,

fwiw, Doolittles is a local chain based in Bloomington

I love my country.

And I’m going to Puerto Rico in March.

Skol!

Thanks, Taylor. You’re right. I love you, Bud!

bud, that’s cool you armed your bomb shelter with wi-fi! smart thinking.

http://www.wikicg.com/wiki/images/thumb/a/a8/150px-ChikenLittlePoster.jpg

Again, I wanted to talk about the news value of the KARE11 story, not debate the commercial or the war in Iraq.

It appears that was too much to ask of some of us.

I didn’t know Doolittles was a local chain. I went there on a default first date once. Dammit, I just reminded myself that I am once again single on Valentine’s Day.

I love you too, cristina.

And your sexy hemp undies.

mike you’re scaring me. you want a suicide bomber in NYC just to prove you’re right? ouch

Bud, you’re a riot. So odd for a nutball conservative to believe the government in anything, except the Iraq bullshit. I’m still waiting for the explanation though of why Saddam’s in prison and Osama’s still making home movies, or why we’re spending millions of home security funding in Wyoming. (The answer to the latter is that Wyoming is Dick Cheney’s home state.) Did you know, btw, that Minneapolis dedicates some of its homeland security funding to pay for cops to bust scalpers outside Timberwolves games?

and i really hope Brokeback Mountain sweeps at the Oscars!

That’s better. God damn.

That last post was not from the real bud, but I do support freedom of speech, including the gay Hollywood agenda which proffers such fine thematic efforts as BbM…

“I wish I knew how to quit you, Mike”….

Richard, no, i’m saying it’s bound to happen sooner or later, especially now that we continue to give them even more reason to hate us.

i don’t need a suicide bomber to know i’m right

Do you really know what it’s like in other countries for gays?

and do you know what the fanatics who all too often have the ear of the president would like it to be like in this country for gays?

Kevin, fwiw, CCO has a story on the ad too, same deal, looks to be a general AP type release

and fwiw, the best thing a terrorist could do would be to detonate a suicide bomb in bumfuck Wyoming, because after all, the people most worried about terrorists invading the US are those who live nowhere close to a target and have zero to worry about.

settle down gerg, lots of progres has been made and we’re not going back, only forward, perhaps not as fast as some would like but it’ll happen

hey Kevin, why do you say “default first date?”

Have you noticed that Cheney’s no more accurate when he’s hunting birds than when he’s hunting Osama?

Of course, shooting Republican lawyers is not all that bad an idea.

Richard, while progress has been made, Iraq’s infrastructure is SO far behind what it was prior to our invasion, i don’t know if it ever will recover to pre-war levels to be perfectly honest.

i actually spent 2 tours in Iraq during the first gulf war, which is when we SHOULD have finished the job. the sad thing is, the support for the first gulf war was actually pretty high, and fairly justifiable, this time around, notsomuch.

calmer than you are, richard.

name the movie and i won’t think you’re a total shill.

and yes, we are too going backward. conceal-carry? amending the constitution to remove liberty? how exactly do you call that progress? and why would you want it to happen slowly anyway?

Hey, my other nickname is slim! Cool!

Hey, why are conservatives like me always ‘nutballs’, but people like mike are ‘normal’?

I mean, that kind of hurts my feelings.

I wish the MNSpeak afternoon crowd would get out of bed soon and start posting some more comments on breakfast joints and deli’s. God damn.

looks like robert byrd is more effective at getting fed money. his state is #4 and wyoming is #14

Ignore Bud, he’s obviously a troll. I expect he’ll posted a “pwned” note any moment soon, and then move on to shit-stirring in some other thread or forum.

In the meanwhile, I would like to see a decent knish eatery in town. Anybody got any suggestions?

Mmm, knishes.

It’s still safer to hunt with Cheney than drive with Ted Kennedy….

Carrie, do you have a date for Valentine’s?

Good question, bud. Maybe it’s kinda “nutty” not to want change….

Bud, got any actual answers to the questions? Sorry about the “nutball”, btw. I meant to say “nutless.”

it’s obvious the Kare11 ad thing should’ve been its own post. or maybe there should just be a section of MNSpeak dedicated to Iraq war and Rep/Dem fights.

I want more vegan options in this town!

…progress…

because unlike the righties who staunchly defend this current administration and the War in Iraq with blind loyalty, there are plenty of conservatives who are able to think for themselves and not buy into everything just because it comes from their party (same goes for the left fwiw).

one of my friends is a staunch Republican, but even he knows that things are not going well over there, and that now it was a mistake (yet i could have told him this before we ever went in).

Taylor, why don’t you start a diner blog?

carrie speaks up in the manner of another caring, all inclusive liberal

Christina, how about you?

Maybe the three of us could get together?

Bud, sorry, but I do, and she’s so hot in the red teddie.

I just saw Osama’s posted another video. He says if we don’t pull out of Iraq, he’s going to bomb the Grand Tetons.

Cheney’s got it covered though. He’s sent federal troops to Brokeback Mountain because he heard there are gay married sheep herders camped up there plotting to take over the Oscars.

slim – ouch!

I’ll try: Saddam is in jail for putting people through wood-chippers among other things.

Osama is being tracked down by our elite special forces. He is one slippery SOB but they’ll get him.

There’s lots o’ rocks over there.

How’s dat, yo?

You’d think Bob Evans and In-N-Out burger would’ve provided enough common ground for liberals and conservatives to come together in a massive display of brotherly love and arterial hardening.

Mmmm, knishes. It would be wonderful…

“pwned”?

What th’…?

we’ll find a cure for AIDS before we find Osama

Did any of you watch the Olympics opening ceremonies?! Give peace a chance!

Cecil’s in St. Paul has tasty knishes of all sorts.

Sorry, Rex. I seem to have evoked a great deal of hositility here. I promise to behave for the rest of the day.

Doolittle’s is hands down, by far, the best air cafe I have EVER been to.

Anyone notice who was the first one to start throwing stones in this thread? hhmm

carrie:

I am totally so all over that!

Yeehaw!

carrie and cristina,
perhaps we’d be better off if you, me, and the rest of the ladies in here take a cue from some of the regular dames (perhaps taylor’s “afternoon crowd” ?) and assert how infatuated we are with our own hot bodies and how we think the scrabble guy is really cute. Or maybe we can get start a really compelling discussion about who provides better eye candy–the butchers at the Seward co-op or the Wedge. Perhaps we can liberate ourselves by insisting that stripping empowers women. Or why not talk about how AMAZING the local music scene is (i.e. as a stable for dating).

I mean, c’mon. That stuff is SO much more relevant and important.

I think that jerk Alameda made fun of “Deluth.”

let’s hear more about the red teddie. any photos?

Scoire another point for St. Paul! I will head over to Cecil’s soon to indulge my unearthly knish craving.

Pwned.

i love lamp

Where is Cecil’s?

Cecil’s Deli
651 Cleveland Avenue South St Paul, MN

“Deluth!” Represenet! They need a Doolitles up there, fo sure.

Cecil’s.

Minneapolis, on the other hand, has Brother’s Deli in the skyways. Viva la pickle bar!

Minneapolis, on the other hand, has Brother’s Deli in the skyways. Viva la pickle bar!

My grandfather and I went to Cecil’s a couple of weeks ago. He needed help figuring out his medicare drug plan thing. It’s really a mess since he lost his pension and everything due to the Enron fiasco. He is a veteran too. He’s on a fixed income and his property taxes have gone through the roof. He thinks it’s funny that Pawlenty tried so hard to call his tax a fee and it blew up in his face. My grandpa said that one of my cousins might not be able to go back to college next fall becuase the tuition has risen so much.

He opposes this war. He calls it Bush’s War for Oil. He says that our boys (and girls) over there are just sitting ducks for Al Qaeda and the only reason we are fighting them over there is cause we went there and stirred up toruble. It is wrong to say we are fighting them there in order to prevent a fight here, he says.

He had the corn beef. I had the pastromi. I highly recommend Cecil’s.

Emily, I must admit to two lives: cynical liberal by day; red clad sex bomb at night. Later, gotta go shopping for bait…I mean chocolate.

go for it! The thread is all yours.

We were supposed to meet at a driving range but it was a blind date thing and neither of us saw each other so after a while she left, but I stayed and then after more a while I called her and we met at Doolittles.

The whole thing didn’t really work out but she was hands down the most gorgeous woman I’ve ever seen in person or in pictures.

If I may: Cecil’s

Excellent job combinging this thread’s two defining themes, Tony!

The best experience I’ve had at Cecil’s was when I dragged my uber Irish Catholic friend there. He tried to order a hamburger and the waiter told him, “You don’t want to order that” and glowered at him until he ordered the pastrami.

Tony – You get the “post of the day” award. Brilliant.

Doolittles is local? I didn’t know that. Is that because the big chains are so good at looking ‘local’ or because Doolittles is good at looking like a big chain? Either way, it’s a bummer that there’s so little distinction.

not falling for it Tony, too many DFL tenets combined into one post. must be a memoir. are you sure you didn’t miss anything? perhaps gramps is opposed to drilling in ANWR?

carrie: ever done it with a nutball conservative?

bland and hipmn are pimps

Frank -“When your name is “Bob”, there’s really no chance at getting a good pimp name.”

Ya, BS meter running awfully high, Tony. Either your grandpa is Irv Anderson or I’m saying maybe not so much.

Oh my god, Alexis, they’re like totally making fun of us, but I’m too stupid to figure out what they’re saying! Apparently being lighthearted makes you an idiot!

Hi guys. I’m Scott — the guy who reported last night’s story on KARE.

I’m not going to be able to shed much light on the deli thing, but maybe I can add to the discussion about our news.

Kevin asked why we covered it. I think the easy answer is: It is very rare to hear this volume of feedback on any ad. And it’s rare to have an ad that’s considered this controversial on the air when we’re not in the heat of an election.

The story also gave the station a chance to weigh in and answer the viewers who asked why the ad was running.

Not “they,” just Emily C. She’s an angry angry woman who is in dire need of a knish.

I haven’t been that angry since I was an undergrad student at Hamline.

I love knishes, Rich! I’m at home if you want to run one over. I’d really appreciate it!

Andrea, when I was (yes) at Hamline, I was a lot less angry. After all, embassies were only being torched once every eight months, or so, my fellow Americans weren’t being spyed on (at least not blatantly), my friends and family weren’t being regularly mugged on the streets of our city, and my fundamental rights were only in question, well, somewhat.

Boy, did I know how to be lighthearted! Back then, my friends (okay, my one friend) and I had some ground rules:

1) We could paint our toenails red once for every two weeks that went by in which our fair nation didn’t slaughter thousands of innocent civilians

2) We could dish on last night’s encounter with that cute boy in lit class, but only if there hadn’t been a major blow to international women’s rights within the last 72 hours

3) We could congratulate ourselves on our outfits, our overall cleverness and our winning appearances as long as we refused to acknowledge that we had no idea how we were going to acquire health care the day after we graduation

There were more, but I wouldn’t want to take anyone away from the oh-so-important task of looking at the latest flickr photos of genial looking people clutching cocktails and grinning at last night’s show at the Varsity. Or the Hexagon. Or wherever.

I cast my votes thusly:

Yea: Shoney’s & Sonic

Nay:

So called conservatives who spend more money than the biggest liberal in liberal-ville.

and liberals who can’t find the center with a map.

sad people had to pay to run an ad to get the unreported side of the war in Iraq.

bullseye, joe.

Makes it understandable why folks like christina get so bamboozled.

Good folks, who favor hemp underwear.

Oh no, now I am bud’s friend. Abort! Abort!

Nay:

War in Iraq.
Domestic abuse.
Burger King
Eminent Domain
The DNC & The GOP

hey goldberg – you forgot about the part where NBC’s liberal anti-war anti-Bush agenda could get even more exposure!

But let’s get local with it:

Why does your station like to focus on the ‘boo-hoo’ of troops deploying, yet you NEVER get them on camera stating the mission accomplished message when they return, or god forbid, actually going there and letting them SHOW you what’s happening and what progress is being made in?

THAT is why commercials like this are neccessary.

Just as the Swift boat commercials were.

Now I better get my flak jacket on….

to Scott Goldberg,

did i see you at the First Ave 35th B-day bash thing? coulda swore it was you.

Emily, I’d run a knish over, but given that it’s Valentine’s Day, that could create some misunderstandings that would result in wacky misadventures such as those that happen in your archetypical romantic comedies.

I will agree that the world is a severely screwed up place right now. Hell, go look at my blog and you’ll see that our opinions jibe pretty well. And if you want to schedule a kvetching session with various alcoholic beverages to fan the angst, I’m all for it. But you also have to remember we’ve got to take some time to live. And it ain’t living without quality delis, cocktails, and kick ass local shows.

I mean, if we don’t do that, the terrorists will have won.

wow. emily… you win “self-righteous princess of the year award.”

solace: Yes

bud: Interesting.

I’ll just say that I, for one, never received the NBC “agenda” memo, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about there.

As for your “local” comments, if you haven’t seen the part of the troop-deployment stories in which people say they’re proud to serve their country; or you haven’t seen cheery homecomings with members of the military saying they support what’s going on in Iraq; or you haven’t seen our coverage of the Iraq elections … then you haven’t been watching our news.

1) I don’t see how anyone could disagree with Scott on doing this story.

2) Everyone has the thread they dislike on this site (two weeks after launching this site, Ross had already told me it had gone to hell). But for me, this is the most spectacularly boring and predictable thread on this site of all time. (Except for the first Emily comment, which, though I disagree, is somehow golden. But now that’s turning sour too.) Guideline: if your comment has the word “Bush” in it, it’s probably better placed elsewhere.

3) Bud, I know you think you were provoked into commenting, and maybe you were, I dunno. But can I ask a favor? Before you make your next comment, just ask yourself if you’re about to say something either A) potentially sexist or B) utterly politically predictable. I know you don’t see it as sexist or predictable — and I’m not going to debate whether certain comments are or aren’t — but stop and think about how others reading the site might view it. I don’t mean to single you out, but it seems a lot of the headaches around here lately circulate around your comments, and I get vastly too many emails from people who say they’re leaving because of you (for your sexual comments, not your political ones).

4) I try to tell people that MNspeak should be like a dinner party — people should talk to each other like they would in my living room. And I also say the best thing about MNspeak is that although I don’t know 90% of you, I’d want to hang out with everyone here. I hope others view share a similar sentiment.

5) My comments are simply as a member of this community, not as a moderator of this site. This, therefore, is not the final say in anything — it’s merely my thinking.

Wow.

You say you know what I think?

“Potentially Sexist”?

“Politically Predictable”?

How “others might view it”?

Holy pube on the coke can, brother!

I get it : only pro-homo, uber-liberal, disenfranchised, non-real state owning, socialist utopians with a preference for odd snack foods need apply.

As long as no one is offended.

By all means.

C’mon Bud, jr., put down that lingerie catalog, we’re out a here!

Right on, Rex. How ’bout you, me, and Taylor go grab a sandwich at a deli somewhere.

Oh, this is MNSPEAK?!?!? I thought I had slipped onto the MPLS CL Rants and Raves.

If this is a dinner party, should I change out of my pajamas?

And I say no to Shoney’s but yes to Sonic and The Claim Jumper.

rex: Thanks. Great site.

i’m with ya’ bro

It’s a P.J. dinner party.

I like bud for the same reason I like watching Fox News. It’s fun to get angry and write about it. While the sexual comments are sad, it’s a mistake to try to settle people down in a forum like this. I can’t think of a more harmless setting.

agreed

But we could use a little less Fox News and a little more… Daily Show. Or Charlie Rose. The name-calling is a bit much.

totally

Bud Jr. is Bud’s brother?

Only if we get to invite Bud. And I mean that.

I’ll have to check with bud jr.

we’ll get back to you.

(Is carrie invited too?)

Fine. But he’s paying.

God damn!

For knishes, try Yum! on Minnetonka Blvd. in St. Louis Park. I’m not a knish fan myself, but my mother-in-law gave the thumbs up.

Scott,

Fair enough. I’m still thinking so what, but fair enough.

Sorry for starting this whole thing. I (foolishly) hoped we could contain ourselves.

I’ll be at the Uptown Y tonight if anyone wants a date. Girls only.

to Bud,

i watch Kare 11 mostly more than any other local news, and i’ve seen NUMEROUS stories about troop homecomings. maybe the reason the ratio to deployments vs. homecomings is because there are more of them? nah, couldn’t be.

As for KARE-11’s position, general manager John Remes issued a statement saying, “The station neither agrees nor disagrees with the messages in advertising, but one of our responsibilities is to be an advocate for freedom of expression and to provide a marketplace of ideas.”

…. Given this statement, it appears that KARE would also be open to running an anti-war ad.

Um, so there is NO WAY I can get tickets to see Motion City? Is anyone friends with Ross?

Ross, can you get me one ticket????

I want to know some REAL Kare 11 news… WHAT HAPPENED TO MY MAN FRAN VASCELLARO???

Oh yeah, war is bad – blah blah blah….

I have to go now, I am going to meet some of my: pro-homo, uber-liberal, disenfranchised, non-real state owning, socialist utopian, hemp underwear wearing friends for some odd snack foods.

I meant that KARE, among other mainstream media, may regularly present the sad/happy dichotomy of the deployment/return spectrum, but they FAIL to give even measure to accounting for the nearly universal enthusiasm for, and success of, the mission by our servicemen and women.

Goldberg says he didn’t “get the memo” regarding the anti-war stance at KARE but the fact is, it’s already ingrained in the newsrooms, from Rockefeller Center on down to our little burg.

In fact, I would challenge him to pitch a story to his bosses, a 1/2 hour special in which he interviews returned Minnesota service men and women and gets their DIRECT FEEDBACK on the mission, their view of whether it’s successful or not, AND their feelings about how the media is portraying the war on terror.

Now THAT would be interesting.

Bud Jr and I would invite you all over to watch on our super fabulous 72 inch HDTV in our exurban fortress.

Knishes and plenty of adult beverages all around!

And maybe a lingerie show afterwards?

Damn, I went too far.

In hopes of turning this thread away from such controversial topics, i was wondering if people here think I should get an abortion? It seems like such a quick fix!

Wow- a guy takes a morning off from reading MNSpeak, and there’s 142 posts! Holy crap!

Goldberg: good to see you here! Scott is good people… and a great reporter. But this is my turf. So watch it, buddy.

And there’s no question the ad controversy was a story.

I should add that I’ve brought up internally the local news dilemma with covering the local story of troop deployments, and not really covering successes/failures in Iraq. We just don’t have the resources to do it. So we end up covering the local story: deployments, families left behind, homecomings, etc.

And Cecil’s rocks.

Isn’t MnSpeak supposed to be about topics related to Minnesota in particular with heavy coverage of media and entertainment?

This topic is what pisses me off about the whole thing.
I think everyone needs a baby panda break!

Will Lileks be there?

Why exactly do people feel free to bash gays and no one even calls them on it?

Who, exactly, bashed gays?

Regardless, oh simple one, I guess same reason they feel free to ‘bash’ conservatives, eh?

And where can I go to buy some real state?

Good question, where am I?

Thanks for the Baby Panda break Mpls Simpleton, it was just was this thread needed.

Emily, It’s possible to be a woman, be interested, intelligent and passionate about politics, but also be interested in other things, like music and drinking and dating. It’s fairly disingenuous to imply that just because someone doesn’t comment on political posts or appear politically outraged on an internet message board that they’re a vapid, self-asorbed ditz. Some people use forums for chat and save the debate and activism for elsewhere. I do. You sound passionate – I’d say, put a little of the girl-on-girl anger towards that passion because nothing good can come from judging people by a few comments they leave on a website.

Cristina – ignore the “dears” and the “panties in a wad” – compassionate outrage is excellent fuel for change.

Thanks, zosiablu. Yeah, I’m used to the “dears” and “panties in a wad” humor and patronizing remarks. While they don’t quite appeal to me, neither do they upset me. Anyhow, I knew the risk I was taking when I started hitting that keyboard. I just wasn’t quite braced for a food fight.

Well said, Zosia. Will you be my Valentine?

Oops, now I’m doing it.

Yeah, but see, rex, THAT was funny…

I think the only way that could be misconstrued, Rex, would be if you said added something like “in my pants” to end of the comment.

Zosia, will you marry me?

You mean there are comments that can’t be improved by adding “in your pants” to the end? Man, this is going to open whole new vistas in the dating world for me.

CHAOS! YOU’RE ALL WACKED OUT. We’ve gone from pro-war ads to panties to proposals. Hey, actually, this is pretty real here, eh?

Okay, so now I’ll weigh in here:

I, for one, would love a Steak n Shake in Minnesota.

Let’s all try it:

“I, for one, would love a Steak n Shake in Minnesota…in my pants!”

Hilarious!

Worst thread ever.

I want Zosia to be MY valentine. Maybe we should change the subject by engaging in a good ol’ fashioned city versus suburbs debate! Ah… those were the days…..

Andrea, I’ll have a civil union with you anytime.

agreed. i think i’ll have to return to my status as silent observer. clearly, it was not wise to have “spoken”… not that i, in any way, claim full responsibility for this mess. i merely regret any contribution i have made. and with that i am hushed… sssshhhhhh….

Wow. I agree with Kevin.

I’ll officiate at Zosia and Andrea’s civil union if Jason will be my valentine.

Sounds good, on both accounts. So, who hates Edina? Anyone?

Uh, I call ‘totally socio-economically predictable’ on zosiablu!

Yikes! I can’t keep up.

David: I’m yours.

And Cristina: don’t be silent! Passionate debate is a good thing.

Kevin: For what it’s worth, I appreciated the chance to talk about this.

DeRusha: Thanks for the props. Didn’t mean to intrude on your space, my man. Just spending some cents in the marketplace of ideas.

Bud: You know, as of April 27, KARE will be the only local station broadcasting in high def, right? Enjoy.

Hey, it’s the first suburb I thought of. And I don’t hate Edina! Playing the surburban devil’s advocate, don’t you know.

I think that’s a plan, David. Post it to the calender.

Anyone else voting for a Jewish ceremony for Zosia and Andrea?

I really like camping with my portable gas cook stove, it is so much better than trying to run an electrical cord through the boundary waters.

So, Goldy, what say on that story idea?

I won’t hold my breath….

If I make it past April 15, I ‘ll be happy.

Get off my turf, DeRusha. I date the bloggers ’round these parts.

Christina: absolutely don’t be silent. My only suggestion is to keep the topic local. There’s all kinds of room for dissent around here (and I honestly feel embarrassed when I act like a wish-washy arbitrator).

The Hock-meister in Hi def?

Oy vay!

I refuse to get into an inane conversation about what an arbitrary concept like “local” really implies. So… ok, rex. ok.. everybody. No problem. I’m simply retiring for the day, as my brain needs a little bit of real exercise before it atrophies. Have a lovely afternoon ALL.

I mean, all I wanted was to get thoughts on what is/is not news and it turns into a flame war over war and god knows what else.

People here and in general cannot control their wicked case of diarreha of the mouth and I for one am tired of seeing them wreck any and all decent conversations.

If you have something valuable or funny to say, say it. Repeating the same old tired lines about Iraq we’ve been hearing for three years is neither valuable nor funny. It’s old, tired and completely uninteresting.

“Bush lied, people died.”

“You’re a terrorist, move to France.”

Wow, aren’t we all smart today?

I’m tired of decent threads being hijacked by people with the desire to read the sound of their own voice. If you’re that smart, quit your job and blog for a living. Otherwise, go stink up some other website.

(sigh)

Sorry Rex. If it wasn’t for your impressive portfolio of ex-girlfriends, MNSpeak wouldn’t exist, would it?

Headline in -INSERT FAVORITE LOCAL PUBLICATION HERE-:

Twin Cities blog thread results in big circle jerk

In related news: jewish civil unions are on the rise in the Twin Cities

It’s a great story idea, bud. So is a 1/2-hour documentary on the tsunami (I tried for that). So is a 1/2-hour documentary on health care. So is a 1/2-hour documentary on the energy proposals in the State of the Union address.

They’re all nearly impossible to pitch, though, becuase that means we’d have to pre-empt programming. I’m pretty much limited to what I can get done within the confines of a normal newscast.

Sorry Rex. If it wasn’t for your impressive portfolio of ex-girlfriends, MNSpeak wouldn’t exist, would it?

»» Submitted by »»» jderusha at 3:09 PM on February 14

You may be on to something there….

I do not know Rex, but I do know for a fact that I am only 2 degrees away from 4 women he dated. I know this because 4 times in my social life I have mentioned this site and my cohort said something like: “Oh, my friend use to date that guy who runs that site”

Goldy:

Make it a week long running piece – profile one vet per day.

Ratings windfall.

ouch, kevin… are you talking to me? I’m so confused now!

I’ve been trying to post a comment about what is news all day- and it doesn’t post! Weird. Anyway, Kevin’s question was a good one. The problem is, there’s a different definition of news every day. It depends on what else is happening. We have to fill 35 minutes regardless of what’s happening.

DeRusha — Hence the ridiculous calls I get on holiday weekends.

Do you think Frank Vascellero has any tickets to see Motion City’s sold out show?

Should we even be questioning what is news — or rather what news should be prioritized in the limited 35 minutes?

Scott/CCO guy,

Is there ever any consideration to doing away with like the 6:30 p.m. syndicated shows and just doing like a news focus type half hour deal? Not necessarily every day, but like once a week on Sunday nights after the news or someting. I know it’d be expensive but I’m actually kind of surprised no one does it.

I think it’s crazy to question whether or not the pro-war ad was (and is) news. [[Please, people, don't take offense. I'm not calling anyone crazy.]] Hell, it’s ALL news. If not we probably wouldn’t be getting worked up about it. The issue is really a matter of whether or not it is news we should prioritize, which I think is up to the station to decide, frankly. But as for me, while I hate the ad, I am glad to know that it exists. I’m not glad that is exists, just glad to know, glad to be a little less ignorant. Actually, I thought that was Cristina’s point to begin with, that we are being left ignorant, which I also understand is no big news, but certainly worth reminding ourselves of from time to time. I am thankful for anyone or anything that helps to keep me informed.

The question we have to ask ourselves is this: Would we rather fight bud in this forum or at our dinner parties? Personally, I’ll smoke bud anywhere.

If you are writing about baloney, don’t try and make it Cornish hen, because that’s the worst kind of baloney there is. Just make it darn good baloney.

Kevin: I love your idea. I wish I could host the show.

I don’t really know if there’ve been discussions about it, but I can guess the syndicated shows — like Inside Access (or whatever it’s called) and Minnesota Bound, especially, are far too popular to replace.

I’m a Cub fan, but I’m not a Bud man.

folks, what happened here today? i’ve finally got some free time at work, and i can’t make heads or tails of all this jibberish. you’re all over the place. i can’t even believe anyone actually complained about this thread. what thread? there’s no thread here, only a thread of dissatisfaction

I win!

Agreed franchesca, I can’t believe I wasted 5 minutes reading this “thread”.

Now someone post a naked picture of themselves. It’s fucking Valentine’s Day.

Yup, congratulations, you win a date with bud!

You would be shocked at the incredible ratings that Wheel of Fortune gets. The money from that show helps fund our newsgathering efforts in other newscasts. So as Scott said, it’s almost impossible to preempt. That said, there are some slots for half-hour type stuff (we did a documentary last year called “The Last Flagraiser” about the local guy who was at Iwo Jima)… and maybe we can get that going.

alexis, i will if you will

In keeping with one of the ten themes of this thread, how about Alexis in Pajamas? Self-portrait, even.

Playboy’s next special issue — The Girls of MNSpeak.

Anybody who links to tubgirl earns 50 points.

Wait, I took that! (Didn’t I?)

Flickr served up a Yahoo ad to “Alexis Park Resort – Cheap, low rates” to accompany that picture.

Was worth a giggle.

From today’s Star Tribune:
http://www.startribune.com/535/story/245205.html

The thesis statment of the article:

Men are drawn to beauty (surprise) and prefer a woman whose IQ and ambition are no greater than their own.

Women seek men who can bring home the Brie (surprise) but don’t mind a bit if the man in their lives is brainier or more successful.

Something tells me the “Ladies of MnSpeak” are going to be okay.

That picture goes to my earlier comments about ex-girlfriends of Rex.

The men, on the other hand, could have some issues.

Quick glance suggests there’s a bit of Maureen Dowd in the subtext. I sorta resented her last book because I, personally, am all about smart ambitious women. Her anecdote about dudes being scared of girls with Harvard MBAs struck me as whack — send your reject smarties my way!

(There’s a logical fallacy in assuming I’m the norm. But I still reject the essentialism.)

And to tie it in, as Sarah occasionally says, MNspeak was started on the backs of girlfriend labor. (I’d really like to stress the friend part though.)

Rex,

I can testify to the fact that you are, in fact, “all about smart ambitious women.” I know that well. You are not, in fact, the norm. The article does not present an argument ala Dowd–it’s about a study that was done at Columbia that suggested that by and large men prefer women who are pretty and whose brains and success are equal to or less than their own. It’s not essentialism–it’s based on data.

I’m not frigid, I know how to have a good time, and I have no problem saying that I have a hot f*&%ing body (all of which you know). AND, I’m not saying women like me are above reproach–my god, fire away at most of all us, including me, for having an admittedly poor track record and for exercising some pretty poor judgment when it comes to men. I don’t date men because of money, as many of the women in the study do, but I do often suffer under the idiotic illusion that artistic success or “complicated attitude” equals good dating material. And smart men and women should take me to task for that.

But you know as well as I do that it’s harder for women to date without compromising their intellect. I’m not suggesting that most women, including those represented here, are stupid–but I would argue that the willingness to throw around scantily clad photos, Playboy references, and the kind of superficial chatter that is best enjoyed over pedicures or martinis (and yes, I enjoy it too) merely reinforces the stereotypes and standards that many men labor under–particularly when coupled with discussions about matters that are -or should be- absolutely essential to all of us.

There’s a fair amount of quantitative data out there that says you’re the exception to the norm, Rex. Personally, I’m with you, but I’d hesitative to assume it for the majority of the population.

Well, I’m still in the mood for knishes. In my pants.

that stupid panda never moves. i think it might be sick.

Nope Rexie, I took that one. There is an accompanying photo, but I won’t be posting it.

Wow, if Minnesota Bound is a good ratings draw and a former World Series first baseman with a weakness for chocolate cake can have his own hunting show, I guess Minnesotans really are rubes. That’s not what my friends were doing, and it’s not like I grew up anywhere near the metro.

If we’re going to start a real discussion about the idiocy and foibles that are the dating tendencies and preferences of the modern American male and female, we really need to start a new thread.

Emily, I see your point, but I think you’re doing a real disservice to women when you limit their behavior. By suggesting women can only act out stereotypes in private rails against the exact type of prejudice you imply. Women can only be sexual and silly as long as men don’t see them doing it? Almost mysognistic, really, which has been your tone in this thread. If your last comment had been your first comment, and you’d forgone all the jerky insults and put-downs, I think you’d find your dialogue taken seriously.

Not to mention, railing against stereotypes just leads to more stereotyping. Speaking as one of the (apparently many) non-archetypical males on here, I think we can all agree we’d rather see a woman who embraces ALL her sides — silly, sexual, ambitious, strong, etc. — than one that handicaps herself based on what she believes society at large should or shouldn’t be seeing from her. Granted, I don’t expect my opinion to carry much weight in this discussion, given that I’m an unspeakable purveyer of the male gaze, but too many women (and men, but that’s a different discussion) cut themselves off from various aspects of their personality in order to conform to what they expect their particular social/cultural group wants to see from them.

And another thing — why are we not sitting around a table at some bar having this conversation, drinks in hand?

Emily,

It’s sad V Day is over, cause you sound supa-cool.

A few of us were. And where we you? Gawd, it’s like you never read my blog…

Emily,
I have mostly stayed out of this conversation because I found your earlier remarks offensive and misguided, but now that it has toned down a notch I am more willing to contribute to the discussion. I do understand, as many intelligent and unitelligent people do, that there is a lot of horror in this world. I understand that there are matters that should be taken seriously and discussed until pushed toward some sort of resolution. I also feel, however, that MNSpeak.com is not going to solve the world’s problems (sorry, Rex), turn Democrats into Republicans or Republicans into Libertarias, or make apatheic people passionate about large political issues. I come to this site, as I think many do, to partake in an open flow of opinions, ideas, and yes, jokes. If we can’t laugh with each other and in the face of the world’s most dire problems, what else do we have to cling to when it all goes to crap?

I prefer clinging to red teddies….

Emily makes my head hurt.

Anyone who’s seen Emily in public knows that she doesn’t limit her sexiness or silliness or girliness in any way.

And, for better or worse, she also doesn’t speak or act with some sort of “what will men (or women) think of me?” filter, which is rare- and awesome.

i dig where emily is going with some of this, and i agree that we women need to explore a variety of thought and expression. however, i for one am tired of “dumbing” myself down for the sake of the men around me. while there are indeed some men who actually enjoy the challenge of being with an intelligent woman — yes, it is a challenge — it is very true that most men prefer a less intelligent sort. of course, these men don’t really interest me. But… one does get tired of being referred to and treated as mere intellect. as much as we guard against empty shell treatment, a girl needs to be wanted for sheer physical pleasure as well. the problem with intellect is that it often gets in the way of our accepting this fact. we put on the breaks. we say, “wait a minute.” and we ask, “is he seeing beyond my tits and ass?” and if anything at all suggests that he isn’t, we deprive ourselves of potential pleasure. such is the reality of an intelligent, attractive woman. argh!

Bud Jr and I are considering hosting a seminar which may assist the women of mnspeak with these dilemnas.

Gee, I’m gone from a thread for 24 hours and look what happens…

For the record, Bud, the chocolate worked and I did get to the red teddie stage, and past…

I for one am more attracted to smart guys who are confident enough to deal with a smart woman. As I once told a friend, a real man loves what’s between your ears, not what’s between your legs. That said, I do like looking at a nice man ass.

a real man loves what’s between your ears AND what’s between your legs.

Franchesca, you are right, of course. I do prefer the intellectual foreplay, though.

This is some kinda marathon dinner party, Rex.

definitely, carrie… definitely…
first stimulate what’s between the ears, then move on…

I dunno where you girls are finding men, but I don’t think any of my friends are that cretinous. Is everyone here hanging out at Drink or something?

My final party will be Feb. 25, so perhaps you girls will meet some nice boys there.

nope, not hanging out at Drink.
you’d be surprised, rex. there are a lot of ‘bud’s out there

I have encountered more than a few guys who woo you into their world by making you think that they respect you and are interested in you intellectually, but then later reveal that it was all a ploy to get into your pants.

But there are also a lot of great guys out there, ones who aren’t afraid of a smart woman, ones who don’t even mind if the girl is the one bringing home the bacon. And it is difficult to maintain the balance between wanting to be heard and wanting to be hot.

I was lucky enough to find a wife who is smart, attractive, and brings home most of the bacon.

Yeah, I dunno. I still find it a tinch hard to believe any guy wouldn’t want a smart, hot, breadwinner. Even the Drink clientele.

Rex, you’d be really surprised, and disappointed, at the rampant idiocy plaguing our gender as a general rule. Granted, as a number of smart, hot breadwinners on this thread mentioned, that same sort of lunacy infects women in a different way as well.

Alexis — Yeah, I know. I should’ve crashed. Next time there’s an open invite, I’m there.

yeah, let’s be honest here. women fall prey to such horrible devices as well. perhaps we’re just not as threatened by intellect… because it’s not traditionally frowned upon for men to be intelligent. wow. are we that backward still?

Are you saying I’m a cretin?

You may be surprised….

Are you saying I’m a cretin?

You may be surprised….

no, bud, not a cretin. just a bit overly concerned with tits and ass perhaps. i can only judge from your comments here, so forgive me if i’m wrong.

while there are certainly men out there who love a good challenge — like one in particular who i am currently “spending a lot of time with” — even my male friends often tell me to chill out on the intelligent conversation, to “dumb” myself down, to be more feminine, to spend more time talking about lipstick color and shoes — and i do love shoes. frankl;y, it’s iritating. not to mention the fact thqt nothing turns we on more than witty banter…. that’s what i consider foreplay. (bud, i said “witty”)

Nope, not traditionally frowned upon for men to demonstrate intellect. It’s a whole other set of factors that become the issue there. A friend of mine calls it “HAS” — Hot Asshole Syndrome.

definitely, richg. you couldn’t be more right. and you gotta “BE A MAN” — whatever that means. it’s not easy establishing the correct balance between being a man and having a conscience

The problem with telling the difference between types of men isn’t that difficult. As someone once said, “You can pretend to be serious; you can’t pretend to be witty.”

Carrie, it’s not a question of wit. It’s a question of how you treat a woman. I can’t count the number of times I’ve had friends crying on my shoulder over some smooth, witty guy who treats them like dirt. Unfortunately, many women gravitate toward that, or question the motives of the “nice guy.”

Once again — stereotypical, but all too often true.

i don’t know if it’s so much an issue of questioning the motives of a “nice guy” as much as it is questioning the level of excitement you can achieve. and let’s not forget, we all love a challenge.

True. The average nice guy, no matter how smart/funny/witty can’t create the peaks and valleys that the alternative can. You’ll get a constant “good” baseline, as opposed to the dramatic highs and lows. It really gets to the heart of the issue though — the challenge. I don’t have the time or interest in the gamesmanship anymore, but I know plenty who do. My question is whether anyone ever finds what they’re looking for in those challenges.

I believe I have. It’s not easy though. I understand your aversion to the “game”. I felt (and feel) the same way. I actually ended up marrying into the “good” baseline… and found myself terribly unsatisfied by it. Now, years later, after suffering a lot of highs and lows, I have found the “high” baseline, which was worth the wait.

And, for better or worse, she also doesn’t speak or act with some sort of “what will men (or women) think of me?” filter, which is rare- and awesome

There’s a difference between speaking your mind and intentionally being a jerk to get a point across. There’s a classy way to prove a point, and she’s not really getting it.

It’s at this point I suggest we all go hammer out our differences over knish.

i’m in. cecil’s, was it?

I don’t have any differences, but I’ll be there for the knish.

so, ruchg, let’s cut to the chase… are you a “good” guy or do you fall victim to your so-called “HAS”?

That’s the place. When are we scheduling the MNSpeak invasion of Highland Park?

i love the silence when it comes to real action

My “HAS” moments were back in college. Took me a while, but I realized that people should make sure the people they care about actually know how they feel. Of course, the nice guy approach hasn’t proven particularly effective. I garnered much more interest when I was a complete ass, had blue hair and played in a punk band.

yeah, but that might have just been the blue hair. no, really, it seems that while we get savvier with age, and have a better understanding of how things work and what we need, relationships don’t get any easier. and i don’t know about the rest of you, but i’ve certainly become more intolerant in a number of ways.

yeah, but that might have just been the blue hair. no, really, it seems that while we get savvier with age, and have a better understanding of how things work and what we need, relationships don’t get any easier. and i don’t know about the rest of you, but i’ve certainly become more intolerant in a number of ways.

I did look dead sexy with the blue hair.

I don’t know that it’s intolerance so much as focusing in on what you want and jettisoning the chaff and chattel. I don’t have the kind of time or bandwidth that I did back then to offer up to something that doesn’t really fit what I want. Of course, as we hone in on what we’re looking for and know ourselves better, relationships get more complicated because so much more tends to go into them.

i hate to suggest it, but.. since i too had blue hair many years ago… i think that some people tend to be attracted to the “persona” more than the person. as we get older, we are more ourselves, and less the characters we believe ourselves to be or want ourselves to be. perhaps this is not as exciting on first glance. i find myself wondering whether i’m as interesting as i used to be. actually, i am far more interesting, i just don’t “look” as obviously interesting perhaps.

True enough. Personally, I think I’m endlessly fascinating . But I don’t stand out of the crowd at first glance anymore. It’s actually kind of entertaining to see the opposition between the persona we used to wear on our sleeves and the (generally) much more complicated one we actually are now.

Now, about those knishes…

about those knishes….

Damn skippy. All these people professing their love for knish and all things deli, and not a peep from the gallery.

i don’t know, rich. maybe your ex-blue hair scared them away.

I am mighty scary. PR flaks always are.

Of course, it could just be that this thread started reading too much like a self-help book for them. Well, I’m headed for the deli tomorrow regardless, damnit.

it is rather self-helpy, isn’t it? hmmm… that doesn’t sound like me…
a PR flak, eh? ouch, i think i might be falling into that definition now as well. and i don’t like it. gotta look at ye olde calendar to see if i can make deli time. it’s not terribly convenient… but i would love a knish….

it is rather self-helpy, isn’t it? hmmm… that doesn’t sound like me…
a PR flak, eh? ouch, i think i might be falling into that definition now as well. and i don’t like it. gotta look at ye olde calendar to see if i can make deli time. it’s not terribly convenient… but i would love a knish….

Yup. Embrace the inner love and unlock the potential within so that others might love you for the uppity urban scenester you are!

Yeah, made the switch to the dark side a while back. To be honest, I rather like it. Suits my machiavellian side.

If you (or anyone else) is up for knish, my email is on my user info page. I don’t think we need to burden the masses with logistics and kosher foodstuffs.

I wonder if Derusha is still watching this thread and has comments on the KSTP decision to not air the ad and the impending DFL response and the impending uproar. I find KSTP’s reasoning to be the stuff of great debate potential.

People here and in general cannot control their wicked case of diarreha of the mouth…

What?