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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23550</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When then Twins leave, we need to be sure and do what Cleveland did and keep the name here.  When the Browns left, they had to be come the Ravens because Cleveland kept the Browns until a new team was formed. We don&#039;t want to see the Las Vegas Twins!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When then Twins leave, we need to be sure and do what Cleveland did and keep the name here.  When the Browns left, they had to be come the Ravens because Cleveland kept the Browns until a new team was formed. We don&#8217;t want to see the Las Vegas Twins!</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23495</link>
		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Saints are the rough equivalent of a good junior college team. The Twins are actual major league ball players (never mind Bombo Rivera; that was a long time ago). If you want to know the difference, watch the infield play and watch the pitchers throw breaking balls when they are behind in the count. No actual baseball fan would watch the Saints when they could see the Twins.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Twins and the Pohlads, btw, are major contributors to the cultural well being of this city. The Pohlad family, for example, gave $1 million for the new Minneapolis Library. The Twins have built many play fields for kids around the metro, especially in the neighborhoods which are ignored by those jerks in St. Paul who are the alleged stewards of our tax dollars.&lt;br /&gt;
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Let&#039;s take a look at some of the other things we&#039;ve subsidized with our tax dollars over the years: the northern Minnesota toothpick factory, the NWA maintenance facility that was never built, the Target headquarters downtown, the Best Buy headquarters in Richfield, the Lawson headquarters in St. Paul. I could go on. (It should be noted here, too, that Target and Best Buy are also pretty damn generous in the community.) &lt;br /&gt;
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In that scheme of things, the stadium doesn&#039;t look so bad. &lt;br /&gt;
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So, when it comes right down to it, I&#039;d rather give my entertainment dollars to someone who puts some of it back. And I&#039;ll keep buying my toilet paper at Target and PDAs at Best Buy.&lt;br /&gt;
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As for the Vikings though, they can jump in Lake Minnetonka. And I do hope they&#039;d take that fucking Twins bear with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Saints are the rough equivalent of a good junior college team. The Twins are actual major league ball players (never mind Bombo Rivera; that was a long time ago). If you want to know the difference, watch the infield play and watch the pitchers throw breaking balls when they are behind in the count. No actual baseball fan would watch the Saints when they could see the Twins.</p>
<p>The Twins and the Pohlads, btw, are major contributors to the cultural well being of this city. The Pohlad family, for example, gave $1 million for the new Minneapolis Library. The Twins have built many play fields for kids around the metro, especially in the neighborhoods which are ignored by those jerks in St. Paul who are the alleged stewards of our tax dollars.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a look at some of the other things we&#8217;ve subsidized with our tax dollars over the years: the northern Minnesota toothpick factory, the NWA maintenance facility that was never built, the Target headquarters downtown, the Best Buy headquarters in Richfield, the Lawson headquarters in St. Paul. I could go on. (It should be noted here, too, that Target and Best Buy are also pretty damn generous in the community.) </p>
<p>In that scheme of things, the stadium doesn&#8217;t look so bad. </p>
<p>So, when it comes right down to it, I&#8217;d rather give my entertainment dollars to someone who puts some of it back. And I&#8217;ll keep buying my toilet paper at Target and PDAs at Best Buy.</p>
<p>As for the Vikings though, they can jump in Lake Minnetonka. And I do hope they&#8217;d take that fucking Twins bear with them.</p>
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		<title>By: garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23456</link>
		<dc:creator>garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;WHEREAS the Saint Paul Saints are considerably more fun to watch than the Twins, anyway;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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You know, this is a fallacy that I hear continually repeated over and over and over again by tons of Minnesota residents that don&#039;t have the first clue about what they&#039;re saying.  The St. Paul Saints, as a baseball team, are *not* more fun to watch, period.  The St. Paul Saints *games*, OTOH, might be more entertaining -- if you&#039;re not a baseball fan.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t consider myself a baseball fan by any means -- I certainly can&#039;t stand to watch it on TV and while I may be biased (attending only three Saint&#039;s games and over 20 Twins games since 2002) I must say that the Twins are far more fun to watch live.  I did enjoy receiving &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lazylightning.org/drupal/?q=node/18&quot;&gt;free Buca di Beppo&lt;/a&gt; and front row seats at our most recent Saint&#039;s game but I spent so much time eating and watching the random on-field antics that I forgot that we were at a baseball game!&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, as far as my support of a stadium -- I think it&#039;s a terrible idea that shouldn&#039;t even be considered by our illustrious governor.&lt;br /&gt;
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Let me know when the St. Paul Saints&#039; atomosphere shows up at a Twins game.  Then it would be the perfect combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>WHEREAS the Saint Paul Saints are considerably more fun to watch than the Twins, anyway;</i></p>
<p>You know, this is a fallacy that I hear continually repeated over and over and over again by tons of Minnesota residents that don&#8217;t have the first clue about what they&#8217;re saying.  The St. Paul Saints, as a baseball team, are *not* more fun to watch, period.  The St. Paul Saints *games*, OTOH, might be more entertaining &#8212; if you&#8217;re not a baseball fan.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself a baseball fan by any means &#8212; I certainly can&#8217;t stand to watch it on TV and while I may be biased (attending only three Saint&#8217;s games and over 20 Twins games since 2002) I must say that the Twins are far more fun to watch live.  I did enjoy receiving <a href="http://www.lazylightning.org/drupal/?q=node/18">free Buca di Beppo</a> and front row seats at our most recent Saint&#8217;s game but I spent so much time eating and watching the random on-field antics that I forgot that we were at a baseball game!</p>
<p>Now, as far as my support of a stadium &#8212; I think it&#8217;s a terrible idea that shouldn&#8217;t even be considered by our illustrious governor.</p>
<p>Let me know when the St. Paul Saints&#8217; atomosphere shows up at a Twins game.  Then it would be the perfect combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulee</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23452</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My legislative proposal for the Minnesota Twins:&lt;br /&gt;
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WHEREAS we are all sick-to-death of hearing you bitch and whine about how your ballpark prevents you from making fistfulls of cash; and&lt;br /&gt;
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WHEREAS there are several hundred organizations far more desperate for and worthy of my tax dollars than the Pohlad family; and&lt;br /&gt;
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WHEREAS the Saint Paul Saints are considerably more fun to watch than the Twins, anyway;&lt;br /&gt;
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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the state of Minnesota officially says the hell with the Twins, let them go to Santa Fe or Tuscaloosa or wherever and see if we care; &lt;br /&gt;
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BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a metro-wide sales tax increase (in an amount not to exceed one-tenth of whatever Speaker Sviggum and his pals are proposing) be instituted to fund a new ballpark for the Saint Paul Saints, who will be far more appreciative than the Twins and who better understand the value of not alienating your fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My legislative proposal for the Minnesota Twins:</p>
<p>WHEREAS we are all sick-to-death of hearing you bitch and whine about how your ballpark prevents you from making fistfulls of cash; and</p>
<p>WHEREAS there are several hundred organizations far more desperate for and worthy of my tax dollars than the Pohlad family; and</p>
<p>WHEREAS the Saint Paul Saints are considerably more fun to watch than the Twins, anyway;</p>
<p>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the state of Minnesota officially says the hell with the Twins, let them go to Santa Fe or Tuscaloosa or wherever and see if we care; </p>
<p>BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a metro-wide sales tax increase (in an amount not to exceed one-tenth of whatever Speaker Sviggum and his pals are proposing) be instituted to fund a new ballpark for the Saint Paul Saints, who will be far more appreciative than the Twins and who better understand the value of not alienating your fans.</p>
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		<title>By: moe</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23435</link>
		<dc:creator>moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too late for liquor, but we can always get some 3.2.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;Damn, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1129.cfm&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve used that line before&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too late for liquor, but we can always get some 3.2.</p>
<p><em>Damn, <a href="http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1129.cfm">I&#8217;ve used that line before</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: hopped up on goofballs</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23433</link>
		<dc:creator>hopped up on goofballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i couldn;t agree more with garcia. these blue laws have always been lame, and i have absolutely been aghast at liquor stores&#039; disingenuous blocking of any change in the law. they claim that they&#039;ll lose money paying employees to stay late, when the law does not REQUIRE them to stay open. (the claim being that they&#039;ll HAVE to stay open to compete with the other guys who DO stay open... so apparently there will be both too much and too little business to justify a change in the law.&lt;br /&gt;
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i think that&#039;t totally lame, and they just won;t say out loud that what they really fear is grocery stores and gas stations selling alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;
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i lived in boston for many years, and they could legally stay open until 11 pm every night of the week. it was not uncommon to go to the liquor store at 10:30 and find that it had closed early because business was slow. so you&#039;d go to another one that WAS open.&lt;br /&gt;
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do you EVER go to a liquor store at 8.pm. on  a weekday night, in minneapolis, and find you&#039;re the only one there?  not likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i couldn;t agree more with garcia. these blue laws have always been lame, and i have absolutely been aghast at liquor stores&#8217; disingenuous blocking of any change in the law. they claim that they&#8217;ll lose money paying employees to stay late, when the law does not REQUIRE them to stay open. (the claim being that they&#8217;ll HAVE to stay open to compete with the other guys who DO stay open&#8230; so apparently there will be both too much and too little business to justify a change in the law.</p>
<p>i think that&#8217;t totally lame, and they just won;t say out loud that what they really fear is grocery stores and gas stations selling alcohol.</p>
<p>i lived in boston for many years, and they could legally stay open until 11 pm every night of the week. it was not uncommon to go to the liquor store at 10:30 and find that it had closed early because business was slow. so you&#8217;d go to another one that WAS open.</p>
<p>do you EVER go to a liquor store at 8.pm. on  a weekday night, in minneapolis, and find you&#8217;re the only one there?  not likely.</p>
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		<title>By: hipmn</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23431</link>
		<dc:creator>hipmn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in Omaha, Los Angeles, and New Orleans, all of which allow you to buy liquor at any grocery store until the wee small hours of the morning, I can comfortably say, man, do I miss that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in Omaha, Los Angeles, and New Orleans, all of which allow you to buy liquor at any grocery store until the wee small hours of the morning, I can comfortably say, man, do I miss that.</p>
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		<title>By: garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23423</link>
		<dc:creator>garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But the liquor stores shoot down these changes time and time again because they don&#039;t want to lose their monopoly.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not the slightest bit concerned about buying liquor/beer in grocery stores.  I just want to safely enjoy intoxicating liquors on Sundays without having to create a stockpile in my garage or drive somewhere to imbibe them and risk a DUI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But the liquor stores shoot down these changes time and time again because they don&#8217;t want to lose their monopoly.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the slightest bit concerned about buying liquor/beer in grocery stores.  I just want to safely enjoy intoxicating liquors on Sundays without having to create a stockpile in my garage or drive somewhere to imbibe them and risk a DUI.</p>
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		<title>By: Slim</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23421</link>
		<dc:creator>Slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;ve always been perplexed by the fact that car dealerships are closed on Sunday. What&#039;s up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve always been perplexed by the fact that car dealerships are closed on Sunday. What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8815#comment-23418</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garcia is right...the Liquor stores are allied with cultural conservatives in both parties to prevent the repeal of the blue laws. Hell, even North Dakota repealed theirs years ago (when I was a teenager there, you couldn&#039;t even shop on Sunday before noon).&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;d like to be able to buy liquor on Sunday, after 8:00, in a grocery store. But the liquor stores shoot down these changes time and time again because they don&#039;t want to lose their monopoly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garcia is right&#8230;the Liquor stores are allied with cultural conservatives in both parties to prevent the repeal of the blue laws. Hell, even North Dakota repealed theirs years ago (when I was a teenager there, you couldn&#8217;t even shop on Sunday before noon).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to be able to buy liquor on Sunday, after 8:00, in a grocery store. But the liquor stores shoot down these changes time and time again because they don&#8217;t want to lose their monopoly.</p>
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