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		<title>By: alexis</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17769</link>
		<dc:creator>alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alex, you typed out everything I didn&#039;t want to.  I had made the supposition above that people were getting into real estate presumably because of the allure of &quot;easy money&quot;, but your post sums up exactly what I meant by that.  When I got my sales license (which I also kept active for no reason), all my fellow students were there because they gobbled up all the hype from the Big Two.  I remember learning that something like 50% of sales agents cut their losses after one year because they can&#039;t afford it anymore and aren&#039;t making enough money to pay their brokers.  The whole industry is a racket.  I&#039;ll probably catch some heat for this, since I have friends who are salespeople, but most of the time you&#039;re paying someone for doing virtually nothing.  Buy and sell your own house!  Anyone looking for a 1-hour tutorial on how to do so can email me anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alex, you typed out everything I didn&#8217;t want to.  I had made the supposition above that people were getting into real estate presumably because of the allure of &#8220;easy money&#8221;, but your post sums up exactly what I meant by that.  When I got my sales license (which I also kept active for no reason), all my fellow students were there because they gobbled up all the hype from the Big Two.  I remember learning that something like 50% of sales agents cut their losses after one year because they can&#8217;t afford it anymore and aren&#8217;t making enough money to pay their brokers.  The whole industry is a racket.  I&#8217;ll probably catch some heat for this, since I have friends who are salespeople, but most of the time you&#8217;re paying someone for doing virtually nothing.  Buy and sell your own house!  Anyone looking for a 1-hour tutorial on how to do so can email me anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: mike s</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17759</link>
		<dc:creator>mike s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mccormickandschmicks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=content.display&amp;pageID=168&quot;&gt;M&amp;S Grill&lt;/A&gt;&gt; looks brutal.   &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mccormickandschmicks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=content.display&#038;pageID=168">M&#038;S Grill</a>> looks brutal.   </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17736</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay - looking back at sales figures, the increase in the number of agents does correlate with our local housing boom.  However, I think the answer to your question is a little bit more complicated than that.&lt;br /&gt;
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I didn&#039;t re-read the article - did it really say people were turning to real estate because of a slow economy and corporate layoffs?  If so that is nonsense and a perfect example of the type of bullshit information you get from the Strib.&lt;br /&gt;
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The boom in housing can be better attributed to record low interest rates and a tremendous loosening in mortgage underwriting guidelines, which combined to dramatically increase the amount of home an individual could qualify for.  This has been the fuel for the boom - NOT legions of freshly minted realtors.&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, sure, part of what realtors do is stimulate demand, and many of them got in to take advantage of what they perceived as easy money, but they sure aren&#039;t causing the boom. [quick aside: Also not mentioned in the article are the very large number of agents that are not self-sustaining, do basically no business, but maintain a license anyway. These are the people that &lt;em&gt;say&lt;/em&gt; they are realtors so they can pretend that they actually have a job]  What&#039;s also in operation, and I&#039;d say accounts for much of the spike in realtors, is the insane business model the &quot;Big Two&quot; local brokers have, which is to agressively recruit and hire as many new agents as possible, in a dogfight for market share.  Realtors aren&#039;t paid salaries, pay for their own education, and most of the newer agents give a VERY healthy chunk of their commission back to the broker, so it&#039;s both cheap and profitable to hire new agents - much more so than to equip established agents, who keep most of their commission, to do more business, more professionally.  Their motto may as well be: &lt;strong&gt;&quot;A Realtor in Every Home&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Then the big brokers (I am not beating up on the smaller, independent brokers here) complain, lobby, and engage is all sorts of other shady, rent-seeking practices (legislating against discount brokers, for example) to try to protect themselves from this little competitive disaster of their own creation.  It&#039;s actually pretty entertaining to watch.&lt;br /&gt;
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Were I an agent with Burnet or Edina, I&#039;d be quite peeved over the fact that my &lt;em&gt;own employer&lt;/em&gt; has basically flooded the market with competition, eroded my commissions, and diluted my already lackluster professional reputation with all these new, inexperienced agents running around. (for what it&#039;s worth, these complaints are similarly true in the mortgage industry, though less acute)  Of course, any time I bring this up with agents at said brokers, I get mostly blank stares.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, we got a little off topic there, but whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay &#8211; looking back at sales figures, the increase in the number of agents does correlate with our local housing boom.  However, I think the answer to your question is a little bit more complicated than that.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t re-read the article &#8211; did it really say people were turning to real estate because of a slow economy and corporate layoffs?  If so that is nonsense and a perfect example of the type of bullshit information you get from the Strib.</p>
<p>The boom in housing can be better attributed to record low interest rates and a tremendous loosening in mortgage underwriting guidelines, which combined to dramatically increase the amount of home an individual could qualify for.  This has been the fuel for the boom &#8211; NOT legions of freshly minted realtors.</p>
<p>I mean, sure, part of what realtors do is stimulate demand, and many of them got in to take advantage of what they perceived as easy money, but they sure aren&#8217;t causing the boom. [quick aside: Also not mentioned in the article are the very large number of agents that are not self-sustaining, do basically no business, but maintain a license anyway. These are the people that <em>say</em> they are realtors so they can pretend that they actually have a job]  What&#8217;s also in operation, and I&#8217;d say accounts for much of the spike in realtors, is the insane business model the &#8220;Big Two&#8221; local brokers have, which is to agressively recruit and hire as many new agents as possible, in a dogfight for market share.  Realtors aren&#8217;t paid salaries, pay for their own education, and most of the newer agents give a VERY healthy chunk of their commission back to the broker, so it&#8217;s both cheap and profitable to hire new agents &#8211; much more so than to equip established agents, who keep most of their commission, to do more business, more professionally.  Their motto may as well be: <strong>&#8220;A Realtor in Every Home&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Then the big brokers (I am not beating up on the smaller, independent brokers here) complain, lobby, and engage is all sorts of other shady, rent-seeking practices (legislating against discount brokers, for example) to try to protect themselves from this little competitive disaster of their own creation.  It&#8217;s actually pretty entertaining to watch.</p>
<p>Were I an agent with Burnet or Edina, I&#8217;d be quite peeved over the fact that my <em>own employer</em> has basically flooded the market with competition, eroded my commissions, and diluted my already lackluster professional reputation with all these new, inexperienced agents running around. (for what it&#8217;s worth, these complaints are similarly true in the mortgage industry, though less acute)  Of course, any time I bring this up with agents at said brokers, I get mostly blank stares.</p>
<p>Wow, we got a little off topic there, but whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17728</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick &amp; Tony&#039;s will be M&amp;S Grill - part of the McCormick &amp; Schmicks chain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#038; Tony&#8217;s will be M&#038;S Grill &#8211; part of the McCormick &#038; Schmicks chain.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17727</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working on this...</description>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17714</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention of the PiPress story. MNSpeak is one of my favorites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention of the PiPress story. MNSpeak is one of my favorites.</p>
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		<title>By: Mpls Simpleton</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17713</link>
		<dc:creator>Mpls Simpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Later in the Chatterbox/Turf Club article they relay the realy old news about the Olive Garden closing.  In new pertaining to that...Nick and Tony&#039;s is being ripped apart.  Anyone heard of what&#039;s going into this space?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Later in the Chatterbox/Turf Club article they relay the realy old news about the Olive Garden closing.  In new pertaining to that&#8230;Nick and Tony&#8217;s is being ripped apart.  Anyone heard of what&#8217;s going into this space?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait ... Barbette was looking to buy out the Turf Club?  Is that what they&#039;re saying? (scroll down in the Chatterbox article)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait &#8230; Barbette was looking to buy out the Turf Club?  Is that what they&#8217;re saying? (scroll down in the Chatterbox article)</p>
<p>* shudder *</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17696</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else thought that it was strange that the Strib story on the 494 strip was mostly a walk down memory lane by Mark Stenglein, the Hennepin County commisioner best known for his desire to bring back indoor smoking?&lt;br /&gt;
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Speaking of smoking, the article contains this unpleasent little story:&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;...There was the night a pimp put out a cigarette in his prostitute&#039;s eye at Webster&#039;s. &quot;It was tragic,&quot; Stenglein recalls. &quot;The cops came, the music stopped and finally the police declared, &#039;She&#039;s a hooker,&#039; and everybody went, &#039;Oh,&#039; as if that was OK, and went back to the music,&quot; Stenglein said.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Another good reason to keep the ordinance as is! &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else thought that it was strange that the Strib story on the 494 strip was mostly a walk down memory lane by Mark Stenglein, the Hennepin County commisioner best known for his desire to bring back indoor smoking?</p>
<p>Speaking of smoking, the article contains this unpleasent little story:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;There was the night a pimp put out a cigarette in his prostitute&#8217;s eye at Webster&#8217;s. &#8220;It was tragic,&#8221; Stenglein recalls. &#8220;The cops came, the music stopped and finally the police declared, &#8216;She&#8217;s a hooker,&#8217; and everybody went, &#8216;Oh,&#8217; as if that was OK, and went back to the music,&#8221; Stenglein said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another good reason to keep the ordinance as is! </p>
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		<title>By: alexis</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/8511#comment-17694</link>
		<dc:creator>alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick, &lt;a href=&quot;http://behindthemortgage.typepad.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Alex&lt;/a&gt;, cross-reference that Strib graph with something showing me real estate sales since 2001.  I&#039;m curious to know if the increase in agents is because people are trying the self-employed, &quot;easy money&quot; career of real estate sales due to corporate layoffs, slow economy, etc., or if it actually correlates to a boom in the market.  My personal experience tells me the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick, <a href="http://behindthemortgage.typepad.com/" target="_blank">Alex</a>, cross-reference that Strib graph with something showing me real estate sales since 2001.  I&#8217;m curious to know if the increase in agents is because people are trying the self-employed, &#8220;easy money&#8221; career of real estate sales due to corporate layoffs, slow economy, etc., or if it actually correlates to a boom in the market.  My personal experience tells me the former.</p>
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