Secrets of the City

NOT

I can see how a perfunctory six page GLBT section would get them all worked up. I mean it doesn’t even mention Larry Craig.

The Wilde Roast Café is a gay spot?

It’s named after Oscar Wilde and has a gay-oriented bookstore from all indications I’ve seen of it.

Breakfasts are OK.

Mildly gay, since the attached gay bookstore closed and was turned into a meeting room.

Still, the place does attract its share of weidos.

This is exactly why I now automatically substitute “real words” for the code words that the news and the Republican party uses:

for “socially conservative” I substitute “bigot”

and for “evangelical” I substitute “science denier”.

Try it at home. It works amazingly well.

I’m surprised they canceled the order. You’d think they’d gather them up in a big pile and have a bonfire.

There’s a gay-oriented bookstore @ The Wilde Roast? I know I don’t necessarily pay attention to details, but sheesh.

I’m there often as it’s super close to work. Does that mean I’m weird or gay?

I’m there often as it’s super close to work. Does that mean I’m weird or gay?

Well, there’s really only one way to find out, Cat…

phaid, I’m in.

Come out Virginia
Don’t let it wait
Closeted Evangelicals start much too late
You say you’re For Lovers™ then why so much hate?
The Log Cabin-ers are much more fun.

ugh. I just paraphrased Billy Joel. Must Have Coffee.

As I said, the gay bookstore at Wilde Roast has been gone for some time. In its heyday, when the Bulldog NE was BOOM!, a gay bar, and Bobino (mildly gay) there was talk of NE Mpls become a new gayopolis in the Twin Cities.

It hasn’t quite worked out that way.

This hood is Wayne’s World, BTW.

Nevertheless, excellent job grote.

there was talk of NE Mpls become a new gayopolis in the Twin Cities.

seems all that’s left are Cabaret Night @ Jitterz and all the sausages @ Kramarzuck’s

Now, now Phaid.

Mother Bixby is a left-wing evangelical who likes teh gays and teh science.

Mother Bixby I would contend that the evangleicals want you on their team about as much as the Rebuplicans want the Log Cabin Republicans on theirs.

I don’t understand that. I think Republicans, like Democrats will take any vote they can get.

As I posted on GayAgenda.com;

It has been reported by several sources, that the campaign for Virginias Lt. Governor, Bill Bolling, had placed an order for 150 copies of the guidebook called The Rake, pubished by Tom Bartle. It was also reported however that after it was discovered the publication contained 6 pages specific to the LGBT community, the order was cancelled because it would be a big problem for many of those who would recieve the book.

I spoke with Cheif of Staff Randy Marcus early today and he informed me this was a misunderstanding and there was was an initial confusion between whether this a delegation issue or a Lt. Governor campaign
issue.

Mr. Marcus then provided the following statement:

I wanted to clarify that the guidebooks were not ordered by the Virginia Delegation. Lt. Governor Bollings campaign was planning on purchasing the guidebooks to give to the VA Delegation as gifts. The decision to cancel the guidebook order was made on a staff level. The Lt. Governor was not aware of the decision and has not even seen the guidebooks. Frankly, it
would have made no difference to him.

It’s named after Oscar Wilde…

Well, yeah, but there’s a hell of a lot more to Oscar Wilde than his gayness.

Sure, they will take any vote they can get (who wouldn’t) but that doesn’t mean they are going to advance legislation in your favor (in the case of Republicans they actively oppose civil rights for GLBT) or want you showing up at their events.

The difference between Log Cabin Republicans and left-wing evangelicals are that the LWE’s aren’t voting against their interests but rather sharing in worship with a group of people who tend to vote in a different way than they do.

Evangelicals are not a political party.

Try telling them that, Kurtis!

I’m surprised they canceled the order. You’d think they’d gather them up in a big pile and have a bonfire.

Think of the pollution! Thank Mother Earth they didn’t burn them!

You’d be surprised, alie. The Right has co-opted Christianity, but there is actually a Christian left, and a huge Christian middle. There are even pro-life, anti-gay liberals who think Jesus wants us to help the poor and take care of the planet more than he wants us to simply ban sin and go about our business.

On the evangelical issue, I am simply saying that, regardless of how mother bixby or other left wing evangelicals (notice that one has to modify evangelical to include mother bixby) that the mainstream media and the republican party use the word “evangelical” in a certain way to disguise what they are saying.

And self-identified evangelicals, while not a political party, vote by a significant majority for Republicans.

all ur gods are belongs to us

I am not sure I believe that “evangelicals” vote by a significant majority for Republicans. Please provide a source.

While I think a majority may, I don’t think it is significant. First, most Christians are evangelical. You know, it is in the Bible. And take Mennonites as an example. They are very evangelical. But they also are pacificists who work for social justice. I doubt many are voting Republican.

And in fact, this lefty here, while writing this, could be said to be evangelical as I write this…

all ur gods are belongs to us

Only Ganesha, keven.

kwatt, rather. I get Ganesha right, and misspell kevs name.

(slaps face)

From Stu Rothenberg:
The GOP percentage among white evangelicals dropped by 4 points from 2004 to 2006, from 74 percent to 70 percent, according to exit polls. Meanwhile, the Democrats showing inched up to 28 percent from 25 percent.

Like I said, all ur gods are belongs to us.

Yeah, evangelicals have voted by a significant majority for Republicans. Or at least identify themselves as Republicans in the past. Although, this statistic (see second chart) only applies to a limited age range and race, I’m sure Pew has other statistics that would say this, I don’t have time to poke around and find them. What apparently isn’t true is that they make up as large of a percentage of voters as people claim.

I think that the technical definition of evangelical and the self-identified religious group that calls themselves evangelical are two different things. I think that the latter group does, in fact, vote largely Republican.

Ceiling Cat is a Libertarian.

Would that make Basement Cat a communist, kurtis?

I think that’s a given.

kc!

“Evangelical” has, even without my re-definiton, a very specific meaning as regards Christianity:

Evangelicalism is most closely associated with Protestant Christianity. Although evangelicalism has been defined in a number of ways,[1] most adherents consider belief in the need for personal conversion (or being “born again”), some expression of the gospel through evangelism, a high regard for Biblical authority, and an emphasis on the death and resurrection of Jesus to be key characteristics.[2]“

link for my previous definition here

While I think a majority may, I don’t think it is significant. First, most Christians are evangelical. You know, it is in the Bible. And take Mennonites as an example. They are very evangelical. But they also are pacificists who work for social justice. I doubt many are voting Republican.

Go to a mega church some time an look at the bumper stickers. The republicans have been taken over by the evangelicals. I am done with them. some one please govern from the point of view of reason, please?

When pollsters refer to evangelicals they specifically mean the non-denom fundamentalists, Southern Baptists, Pentecostals and Assembly of Gods, rather than any Christian who takes the calling to evangelize seriously. It’s kind of a nice turn of events that this group which was formerly outside of politics and under served is now central to at least one party. Damn shame they hate the gays and Catholics though isn’t it.

phaid

per your source (wikipedia):

In that strictest sense, to be evangelical would mean to be merely Christian, that is, founded upon, motivated by, acting in agreement with, spreading the “good news” message of the New Testament.

Liberal and mainstream churches don’t like to call themselves evangelical, even if they do believe in and support ministries that spread the “good news.” The term Evangelical has been bastardized to really mean Right Wing Fundamentalist, which is very different.

It would have been clearer if I had, from the start, capitalized Evangelical.

I believe one can probably be “evangelical” (lower case) without being “Evangelical.”

And I would agree that the word has been bastardized. It was really my original point. It means something different to the media and the right, when used by them. It sounds nice, but it has specific coded meanings underneath.

Dog whistles for the left and the right are pretty funny. But if you control the language, you control the debate.

Your original point is that you are bigot who dislikes religion and puts all evangelical christians into the same category, even if they are liberal, like the Mennonites, Martin Luther King Jr., and me.

kc’s right, I grew up in the ELCA and it wasn’t exactly a bully pulpit against gays and pro-choicers, although Lutherans aren’t without their fundamentalists (Wisconsin and Missouri Synods).

He’s probably not a true bigot, just scared of fundies imposing their will upon him. Many of us have read the Handmaid’s Tale, and have met some incredibly strident fundamentalists seeking political power.

I dislike religion that denies science (and, yes, creationism denies science) and I dislike any ideology that denies gays, lesbians,etc their civil rights.
And i firmly believe anyone is free to have any religious view they please in so far as it does not intrude on someone else’s civil rights.
My views are complicated. Some churches actually embrace science and civil rights. Some don’t. And some go part way.

This is why I use the terms “religious right,” “fundies,” “Moral Majority,” and “bible thumpers,” in order to avoid confusion.

McCainnonites is also acceptable.

Is “snake wielding whackadoos” too harsh?

Since we all know how much I love Wikipedia citations, let’s just have a look at the National Association of Evangelicals member list from the NAE’s website.

aliecat,
lets limit that term to people actually brave enough to handle snakes.

Deleted for using hateful language.

And the President is the senior pastor at Wooddale. Isn’t that T-Paw’s church?

Well, considering the shows I’ve seen about it, I’m not sure bravery factors into the ritual.

I’m sorry…ragheads?

What does raghead mean Maz?

Do muslims believe in gay marriage? Just curious.

Per urban dictionary, it is a racist term, I guess. Where’s Max? He’s just being a racist troll.

HA ha.

Why don’t you go ask a Muslim, Maz?

I thought maybe some Ellison supporter here would know and save me the trouble.

I’m pretty sure Farheen Hakeem believes is Gay Marriage.

I think the thing that frightens me about this election is that there are plenty of people less aware and stupider than Maz. And, let’s be honest, he is one dumb fuck.

Now i see the problem with my system. Thanks Maz. You’ve opened my eyes. Never want to be associated with that.

I concede the argument about words to kc!

Well, that’s one.

See, religious insults can go both ways.

To me, the biggest mystery of the universe is why people who believe in a god would vote with a party that’s full of people who ridicule such a notion with such ease and comfort.

I’m pretty sure you weren’t trying to teach us a lesson, maz, you’re just being your usually prigish self. Now, run along and take your afternoon nap before supper at 4.

Maz is the Mr. Roark of MnSpeak, always making sure we learn a little lesson instead of just having fun.

Ok, alie.

raghead is much less a religious insult, than it is a racial/ethnic insult.

I would ask the same question to the log cabin republicans, maz, why would they vote for a part that is full of people who despise their very existence as gay people?

The simple answer is that they find other issues that are of greater consideration when they vote.

Maz, I’m not on your side.
As I stated I am against ALL expressions of religion or ideology that deny any people their civil rights or that deny science.
But as I might have forgot, words should be used carefully and not to cause injury. I wasn’t advancing my argument, I was just being inflammatory.

Sorry.

Speaking of flammatory, can we get back to talking about the geighs?

And the term doesn’t even apply to Ellison. I’ve never seen him wear any type of head covering other than a baseball cap.

There are Arab Christians that wear turbans, and in the west, someone wearing a turban is more likely to be a Sikh.

Maz, is secularism a complex concept? Because I can explain it if you need me to.

Some of us criticize religion. But when we’re secular liberals, it doesn’t matter, because the liberal “tent” has a place for atheists and liberal religious-types alike, since we all believe in the separation of church and state. I can criticize religion until I turn blue, but I don’t believe in inhibiting in legally in any way. Not bending over for theocracy isn’t exactly anti-religion; if anything, it’s pro-religion since it lets them all exist rather than putting the most popular one in charge.

Yes, let’s return to talking about teh geighs at OMGWTFGOPBBQ08.

who are the cave dwellers?

The Wild Roast is 100% gay owned and operated.

wake up and smell the coffee.