Comments on: Plymouth Cheapskates Hate Environment http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055 Minneapolis + St. Paul Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:23:37 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: eunos http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-189148 eunos Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:31:46 +0000 #comment-189148 <em>it's pretty shitty to send out propaganda like that. I know they want to keep that business contract, but they should think about trying to make more competitive offers or step up their own recycling, etc., rather than starting a disinformation campaign.</em><br /> <br /> I totally agree. On the other hand, it was naive of Eureka to not "fight fire with fire" so to speak and send out their side of the story. I got my first mailing from WM about a month before the city council meeting; plenty of time for Eureka to get its act together and send out a counterpunch. But the silence was deafening, so the citizenry came to the council meeting armed with the only side of the story that they knew. Can't blame them, really. it’s pretty shitty to send out propaganda like that. I know they want to keep that business contract, but they should think about trying to make more competitive offers or step up their own recycling, etc., rather than starting a disinformation campaign.

I totally agree. On the other hand, it was naive of Eureka to not “fight fire with fire” so to speak and send out their side of the story. I got my first mailing from WM about a month before the city council meeting; plenty of time for Eureka to get its act together and send out a counterpunch. But the silence was deafening, so the citizenry came to the council meeting armed with the only side of the story that they knew. Can’t blame them, really.

]]> By: wayne http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-189135 wayne Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:10:49 +0000 #comment-189135 yes, just because there are other problems to be addresses frees you from any moral obligation to do the right thing.<br /> <br /> of course if we all didn't bother to recycle, we would have no moral authority to pressure anyone to clean up their act. just like how china is all like "pssh, whatever hypocrites" when we try to talk to them about reducing carbon emissions. yes, just because there are other problems to be addresses frees you from any moral obligation to do the right thing.

of course if we all didn’t bother to recycle, we would have no moral authority to pressure anyone to clean up their act. just like how china is all like “pssh, whatever hypocrites” when we try to talk to them about reducing carbon emissions.

]]> By: swandog http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-189124 swandog Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:24:04 +0000 #comment-189124 When all the people breeding pay for their kids cost to the environment and the Chinese stop producing crap for our consumption with the use of coal fired energy. Then I will recycle. Until then it is like praying it don't mean shit. When all the people breeding pay for their kids cost to the environment and the Chinese stop producing crap for our consumption with the use of coal fired energy. Then I will recycle. Until then it is like praying it don’t mean shit.

]]> By: wayne http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-189120 wayne Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:26:42 +0000 #comment-189120 yeah, don't get me wrong, I do appreciate what WM does as far as recycling, but when a municipality wants to step it up and recycle more, it's pretty shitty to send out propaganda like that. I know they want to keep that business contract, but they should think about trying to make more competitive offers or step up their own recycling, etc., rather than starting a disinformation campaign. yeah, don’t get me wrong, I do appreciate what WM does as far as recycling, but when a municipality wants to step it up and recycle more, it’s pretty shitty to send out propaganda like that. I know they want to keep that business contract, but they should think about trying to make more competitive offers or step up their own recycling, etc., rather than starting a disinformation campaign.

]]> By: eunos http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-189016 eunos Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:57:09 +0000 #comment-189016 <em>well my impression from the article was that people are more pissy about the cost than the trouble of sorting.</em><br /> <br /> Yeah, you're right about the tone of the article. I was just giving my personal take on the issue as a resident. $2 a year isn't going to break me. But the thought of having to find space in my house for 8 recycling containers, or the thought of having to pick and sort through sticky cans and bottles every week seemed pretty hideous.<br /> <br /> Regarding the misinformation contained in the WM letters: I don't have it in front of me, but I swear to God that WM was quoting $400K per year, not over 3 years. well my impression from the article was that people are more pissy about the cost than the trouble of sorting.

Yeah, you’re right about the tone of the article. I was just giving my personal take on the issue as a resident. $2 a year isn’t going to break me. But the thought of having to find space in my house for 8 recycling containers, or the thought of having to pick and sort through sticky cans and bottles every week seemed pretty hideous.

Regarding the misinformation contained in the WM letters: I don’t have it in front of me, but I swear to God that WM was quoting $400K per year, not over 3 years.

]]> By: wayne http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-189000 wayne Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:24:02 +0000 #comment-189000 well my impression from the article was that people are more pissy about the cost than the trouble of sorting.<br /> <br /> although maybe I should have said "lazy and cheap" instead. well my impression from the article was that people are more pissy about the cost than the trouble of sorting.

although maybe I should have said “lazy and cheap” instead.

]]> By: eunos http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-188989 eunos Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:44:58 +0000 #comment-188989 I live in Plymouth, and I got at least one mailing from Waste Management talking about the increased cost of going to Eureka and how we'd have to separate everything. <br /> <br /> Now I come to find out from the Strib article that it's not like we'd have to separate brown glass from clear glass from cans etc, but just separate paper from containers. Big deal.<br /> <br /> So the Waste Management mailing was deceptive in regards to how much extra work would be involved with sorting, but on the other hand, at least we got a mailing. We got nothing from Eureka regarding their take on things. So, because of lack of aggressive PR, Eureka deserves to lose the contract. I live in Plymouth, and I got at least one mailing from Waste Management talking about the increased cost of going to Eureka and how we’d have to separate everything.

Now I come to find out from the Strib article that it’s not like we’d have to separate brown glass from clear glass from cans etc, but just separate paper from containers. Big deal.

So the Waste Management mailing was deceptive in regards to how much extra work would be involved with sorting, but on the other hand, at least we got a mailing. We got nothing from Eureka regarding their take on things. So, because of lack of aggressive PR, Eureka deserves to lose the contract.

]]> By: arthappy http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-188987 arthappy Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:38:31 +0000 #comment-188987 <em>some times I have dual streams in the morning.</em> <br /> <br /> You should probably get that checked out. some times I have dual streams in the morning.

You should probably get that checked out.

]]> By: g rote http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-188985 g rote Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:36:48 +0000 #comment-188985 some times I have dual streams in the morning. some times I have dual streams in the morning.

]]> By: kwatt http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/13055#comment-188984 kwatt Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:35:52 +0000 #comment-188984 I didn't think this was a political post, and I see politics in <b>everything</b>. <br /> <br /> I'm a single streamer. Sorting is a pain and it's not like I have room in my little condo for multiple garbage cans. Hell, I don't even have one garbage can, I just use the paper sacks from my groceries. That's right, I'm a single-stream garbage can free man. And I'm single. ;)<br /> <br /> I didn’t think this was a political post, and I see politics in everything.

I’m a single streamer. Sorting is a pain and it’s not like I have room in my little condo for multiple garbage cans. Hell, I don’t even have one garbage can, I just use the paper sacks from my groceries. That’s right, I’m a single-stream garbage can free man. And I’m single. ;)

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