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		<title>By: magic tool</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-208579</link>
		<dc:creator>magic tool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were happy to find him sleeping. I do agree with Binky. What if he was in bed with his girlfriend or in the basement running one of his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.world-tools.com/&quot;&gt;power tools&lt;/a&gt;? The police had forgotten what the PRIVACY for Americans means. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were happy to find him sleeping. I do agree with Binky. What if he was in bed with his girlfriend or in the basement running one of his <a href="http://www.world-tools.com/">power tools</a>? The police had forgotten what the PRIVACY for Americans means.</p>
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		<title>By: topck</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174060</link>
		<dc:creator>topck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad in the above post. The front door was shut. Not locked.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad in the above post. The front door was shut. Not locked.</p>
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		<title>By: topck</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174059</link>
		<dc:creator>topck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only evidence of any suspicion was an open garage door. The front door was locked and one cannot see the garage entry way door to the house from the front of the garage. The police had to enter the garage in order to see if the entry way door was open. However, even then the entry was door was shut by the police testemony. It just wasn&#039;t latched. &lt;br /&gt;
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So, based on the only evidence of the garage door being open. They entered the house. They had no probable cause to enter the house. An open garage door does not lead to any suspicion, especially since they handed out over 1000 flyers notifying people of open garage doors. So they know this is common place. &lt;br /&gt;
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It is not the police&#039;s job to take responcibility for other peoples behavior.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is also impossible to see from the front door to where the children were sleeping.  &lt;br /&gt;
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What if the real story is that Troy has been in a multi year divorce case and his exwife works for the Lakeville fire department. &lt;br /&gt;
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What if Troy&#039;s exwife was sleeping with two married fire department employee&#039;s. One being the chief of the fire department. &lt;br /&gt;
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What if these buildings are next to each other. What if the word gets around that she is easy. &lt;br /&gt;
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What if a Lakeville police officer get arrested less than a month ago for his porn adiction and inapropriate behavior with two seventeen year olds.&lt;br /&gt;
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What if the exwife is sleeping with some of the police.&lt;br /&gt;
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What if the exwife gets on the local radio show and start badmouthing Troy about putting the children at risk. &lt;br /&gt;
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What if Troy is on the Board of directors of R-KIDS of Minnesota, who just placed an ad in the Pioneer Press about exposing Judicial corruption.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does it change the stroy a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only evidence of any suspicion was an open garage door. The front door was locked and one cannot see the garage entry way door to the house from the front of the garage. The police had to enter the garage in order to see if the entry way door was open. However, even then the entry was door was shut by the police testemony. It just wasn&#8217;t latched. </p>
<p>So, based on the only evidence of the garage door being open. They entered the house. They had no probable cause to enter the house. An open garage door does not lead to any suspicion, especially since they handed out over 1000 flyers notifying people of open garage doors. So they know this is common place. </p>
<p>It is not the police&#8217;s job to take responcibility for other peoples behavior.</p>
<p>It is also impossible to see from the front door to where the children were sleeping.  </p>
<p>What if the real story is that Troy has been in a multi year divorce case and his exwife works for the Lakeville fire department. </p>
<p>What if Troy&#8217;s exwife was sleeping with two married fire department employee&#8217;s. One being the chief of the fire department. </p>
<p>What if these buildings are next to each other. What if the word gets around that she is easy. </p>
<p>What if a Lakeville police officer get arrested less than a month ago for his porn adiction and inapropriate behavior with two seventeen year olds.</p>
<p>What if the exwife is sleeping with some of the police.</p>
<p>What if the exwife gets on the local radio show and start badmouthing Troy about putting the children at risk. </p>
<p>What if Troy is on the Board of directors of R-KIDS of Minnesota, who just placed an ad in the Pioneer Press about exposing Judicial corruption.</p>
<p>Does it change the stroy a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Big G</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174044</link>
		<dc:creator>Big G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why three in the morning? If was that late, then the cops should had knock on the door loud enough in order for the guy to answer. Other than marching into someone&#039;s home and beam a flashlight into their faces, saying, &quot;sorry if I woke you up darling....&quot; is perhaps the most stupid idea I&#039;ve ever heard. &lt;br /&gt;
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Oh well....&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/19/eveningnews/main4197525.shtml?source=mostpop_story&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;at least we have our feral youth breeding in Gloucester, MA. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why three in the morning? If was that late, then the cops should had knock on the door loud enough in order for the guy to answer. Other than marching into someone&#8217;s home and beam a flashlight into their faces, saying, &#8220;sorry if I woke you up darling&#8230;.&#8221; is perhaps the most stupid idea I&#8217;ve ever heard. </p>
<p>Oh well&#8230;.<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/19/eveningnews/main4197525.shtml?source=mostpop_story" target="_blank">at least we have our feral youth breeding in Gloucester, MA. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Binky .357</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174032</link>
		<dc:creator>Binky .357</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Binky, I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s well within the cops&#039; rights to simply look through windows if they don&#039;t open or touch anything, and it&#039;s often the basis of getting a search warrant.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The &quot;Plain Sight Doctrine&quot; only applies if they haven&#039;t already blatantly violated the fourth ammendment rights of the person under scrutiny.&lt;br /&gt;
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Once they crossed this mans threshold without a warrant, (even if they could make up their &quot;exigent circumstances&quot;) they violated his fourth ammendment rights.  To look in the garage is questionable, and most people would argue that it&#039;s over the line.  To extend it to an illegal search?  Bullshit.  And if they&#039;re willing to violate his rights to this extreme, who says they aren&#039;t going to go a step further and open a couple drawers, maybe peek in a cupboard or two?  Of course, it&#039;s just to make sure there aren&#039;t any midget burglars hiding in there, right?&lt;br /&gt;
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As for not answering the door, how does that equal &quot;exigent circumstances&quot;?  &lt;br /&gt;
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If I haven&#039;t called the cops for some reason, odds are I&#039;m not gonna answer the door to a cop... I don&#039;t want to talk to them, nor should I be compelled to without a lawyer present.  (That&#039;s thanks to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;fifth amendment&lt;/a&gt;, as well as being the gist of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Miranda v. Arizona&lt;/a&gt;; it doesn&#039;t matter that I haven&#039;t anything wrong, whay matters is that they have no right to be in my home without a warrant.)  Odds are I&#039;m not gonna answer the door to you if you show up without calling, whether your a cop or any other average guy.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you choose to come in without a warrant (locked door or not) I&#039;ll pity you &lt;em&gt;after &lt;/em&gt;I&#039;ve compelled you to leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Binky, I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s well within the cops&#8217; rights to simply look through windows if they don&#8217;t open or touch anything, and it&#8217;s often the basis of getting a search warrant.</em></p>
<p>The &#8220;Plain Sight Doctrine&#8221; only applies if they haven&#8217;t already blatantly violated the fourth ammendment rights of the person under scrutiny.</p>
<p>Once they crossed this mans threshold without a warrant, (even if they could make up their &#8220;exigent circumstances&#8221;) they violated his fourth ammendment rights.  To look in the garage is questionable, and most people would argue that it&#8217;s over the line.  To extend it to an illegal search?  Bullshit.  And if they&#8217;re willing to violate his rights to this extreme, who says they aren&#8217;t going to go a step further and open a couple drawers, maybe peek in a cupboard or two?  Of course, it&#8217;s just to make sure there aren&#8217;t any midget burglars hiding in there, right?</p>
<p>As for not answering the door, how does that equal &#8220;exigent circumstances&#8221;?  </p>
<p>If I haven&#8217;t called the cops for some reason, odds are I&#8217;m not gonna answer the door to a cop&#8230; I don&#8217;t want to talk to them, nor should I be compelled to without a lawyer present.  (That&#8217;s thanks to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution" target="_blank">fifth amendment</a>, as well as being the gist of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona" target="_blank">Miranda v. Arizona</a>; it doesn&#8217;t matter that I haven&#8217;t anything wrong, whay matters is that they have no right to be in my home without a warrant.)  Odds are I&#8217;m not gonna answer the door to you if you show up without calling, whether your a cop or any other average guy.</p>
<p>If you choose to come in without a warrant (locked door or not) I&#8217;ll pity you <em>after </em>I&#8217;ve compelled you to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: spaceman</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174031</link>
		<dc:creator>spaceman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is whether the &quot;totality of the circumstances&quot; gave the officers probable cause to believe there was something really wrong. Suspicion (&quot;it really was suspicious&quot; the sgt said&quot;) is not enough to enter the house.&lt;br /&gt;
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If there were enough clues that led the officers to believe there was imminent danger, they most likely would have taken certain actions that would have supported that:  called for back-up, had the kids safely removed upon entry and then acted with urgency toward the owner. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is whether the &#8220;totality of the circumstances&#8221; gave the officers probable cause to believe there was something really wrong. Suspicion (&#8221;it really was suspicious&#8221; the sgt said&#8221;) is not enough to enter the house.</p>
<p>If there were enough clues that led the officers to believe there was imminent danger, they most likely would have taken certain actions that would have supported that:  called for back-up, had the kids safely removed upon entry and then acted with urgency toward the owner.</p>
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		<title>By: Bixby</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174023</link>
		<dc:creator>Bixby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
and a dumb faced adam rodriguez would see the light of Horatio&#039;s mentoring ways as he points out an obvious clue.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But not before thinking that he saw the ghost of Rory &quot;Speed&quot; Cochrane (who  was better in Empire Records anyway) which is why he wandered into the house on his own.</description>
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and a dumb faced adam rodriguez would see the light of Horatio&#8217;s mentoring ways as he points out an obvious clue.</em></p>
<p>But not before thinking that he saw the ghost of Rory &#8220;Speed&#8221; Cochrane (who  was better in Empire Records anyway) which is why he wandered into the house on his own.</p>
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		<title>By: mnblrmkr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174022</link>
		<dc:creator>mnblrmkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then, a coked up Gary Dourdan stumbles over form the next set screaming &quot;LET&quot;S PAARTY!!&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: mb</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174019</link>
		<dc:creator>mb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and a dumb faced adam rodriguez would see the light of Horatio&#039;s mentoring ways as he points out an obvious clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and a dumb faced adam rodriguez would see the light of Horatio&#8217;s mentoring ways as he points out an obvious clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Bixby</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12635#comment-174018</link>
		<dc:creator>Bixby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
David Caruso would just melt the door with his icy stare. After removing his sunglasses of course.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Then a heel-clad Emily Proctor would waddle in and inquire as to what was amiss (in her annoying southern accent).</description>
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David Caruso would just melt the door with his icy stare. After removing his sunglasses of course.</em></p>
<p>Then a heel-clad Emily Proctor would waddle in and inquire as to what was amiss (in her annoying southern accent).</p>
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