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	<title>Comments on: Rent subsidies</title>
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		<title>By: richg</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171813</link>
		<dc:creator>richg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, a lot of these programs act as crutches to help people keep from falling in to even worse situations. Want a for example? Sure:&lt;br /&gt;
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I managed to get my girlfriend pregnant when I was 18. What can I say -- I was young and ridiculously stupid. In order to pay for the doctor visits, delivery, etc., she went on medical assistance. Had we had to pay for those visits, we would&#039;ve been in a ridiculous amount of debt, I likely would&#039;ve needed to put my college career on hold, if not drop out altogether, and it would&#039;ve set me back years, if not decades -- making it even more likely that I end up on welfare or some other form of assistance to get by. &lt;br /&gt;
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Instead, we had a healthy baby boy, who some of you have met a few times. And while the relationship with his mom didn&#039;t last, I was able to stay in school while working a job and holding down an internship to get a degree, pay rent, and come out on the other side with a degree and a career. &lt;br /&gt;
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Bottom line -- these programs do far more good for people, and society, than many give them credit for. Take a look at societies without functional government programs and assistance for examples of what life could devolve into without them. Leaving whole segments of society and creating a class of people unlikely to ever claw their way out is a quick way to foment class warfare in the streets, rather than on message boards and blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, a lot of these programs act as crutches to help people keep from falling in to even worse situations. Want a for example? Sure:</p>
<p>I managed to get my girlfriend pregnant when I was 18. What can I say &#8212; I was young and ridiculously stupid. In order to pay for the doctor visits, delivery, etc., she went on medical assistance. Had we had to pay for those visits, we would&#8217;ve been in a ridiculous amount of debt, I likely would&#8217;ve needed to put my college career on hold, if not drop out altogether, and it would&#8217;ve set me back years, if not decades &#8212; making it even more likely that I end up on welfare or some other form of assistance to get by. </p>
<p>Instead, we had a healthy baby boy, who some of you have met a few times. And while the relationship with his mom didn&#8217;t last, I was able to stay in school while working a job and holding down an internship to get a degree, pay rent, and come out on the other side with a degree and a career. </p>
<p>Bottom line &#8212; these programs do far more good for people, and society, than many give them credit for. Take a look at societies without functional government programs and assistance for examples of what life could devolve into without them. Leaving whole segments of society and creating a class of people unlikely to ever claw their way out is a quick way to foment class warfare in the streets, rather than on message boards and blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Catz</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171787</link>
		<dc:creator>Catz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think 5 years was originally thought to be enough time for the mom to finish her education if necessary and upgrade the job and for the child to be in school - no full-time day care. &lt;br /&gt;
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From what I understand, the 5 years was only for cash payouts and excluded support services such as medical and childcare. Some states tried 2 years and some states were able to extend the program to 8 years, although I can&#039;t remember what the guidelines were for the extension. &lt;br /&gt;
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The findings from 5 year programs were interesting in that they realized that the cost for pushing someone through the system that quickly was more expensive and that instability in the home took longer than 5 years. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 5 years was originally thought to be enough time for the mom to finish her education if necessary and upgrade the job and for the child to be in school &#8211; no full-time day care. </p>
<p>From what I understand, the 5 years was only for cash payouts and excluded support services such as medical and childcare. Some states tried 2 years and some states were able to extend the program to 8 years, although I can&#8217;t remember what the guidelines were for the extension. </p>
<p>The findings from 5 year programs were interesting in that they realized that the cost for pushing someone through the system that quickly was more expensive and that instability in the home took longer than 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: justpbob</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171785</link>
		<dc:creator>justpbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teucer&#039;s mom (an undocumented immigrant, BTW) and a big trayfull of corned beef eggrolls for everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teucer&#8217;s mom (an undocumented immigrant, BTW) and a big trayfull of corned beef eggrolls for everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: mnblrmkr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171783</link>
		<dc:creator>mnblrmkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I am serious when I say that I respect you. I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake. I think I mistook what you said from another post. I stand corrected. Yea in Norway and Sweden they probably would consider you a capitalistic pig, but I know you are not.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Just don&#039;t call me Teucer&#039;s mom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I am serious when I say that I respect you. I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake. I think I mistook what you said from another post. I stand corrected. Yea in Norway and Sweden they probably would consider you a capitalistic pig, but I know you are not.</em></p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t call me Teucer&#8217;s mom.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171782</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Well, I DID like their corned beef egg rolls!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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That is the grossest thing I&#039;ve ever read.  &lt;br /&gt;
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(barfs)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Well, I DID like their corned beef egg rolls!</em></p>
<p>That is the grossest thing I&#8217;ve ever read.  </p>
<p>(barfs)</p>
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		<title>By: kc!</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171780</link>
		<dc:creator>kc!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>simpleton- I don&#039;t think it has to do with birth to K timelines.  And 5 years was the max states could choose for a time limit, I think some states went with shorter time limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>simpleton- I don&#8217;t think it has to do with birth to K timelines.  And 5 years was the max states could choose for a time limit, I think some states went with shorter time limits.</p>
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		<title>By: swandog</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171779</link>
		<dc:creator>swandog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Barring total economic collapse, rising productivity should allow you to receive the benefits promised.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The hope of us all but I don&#039;t know if it will happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Barring total economic collapse, rising productivity should allow you to receive the benefits promised.</em></p>
<p>The hope of us all but I don&#8217;t know if it will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: arthappy</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171775</link>
		<dc:creator>arthappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I preferred the old Chang O&#039;Hara&#039;s. Much less pretentious.&lt;br /&gt;
Though the new upstairs space at the Gnome is nice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I preferred the old Chang O&#8217;Hara&#8217;s. Much less pretentious.<br />
Though the new upstairs space at the Gnome is nice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: justpbob</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171771</link>
		<dc:creator>justpbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I DID like their corned beef egg rolls!&lt;br /&gt;
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I think must people prefer the new place, the Happy Gnome (especially the beer lovers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I DID like their corned beef egg rolls!</p>
<p>I think must people prefer the new place, the Happy Gnome (especially the beer lovers).</p>
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		<title>By: grote</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12553#comment-171769</link>
		<dc:creator>grote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I think of Chinese Irish, I always think of Chang O&#039;Hara&#039;s&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think of Chinese Irish, I always think of Chang O&#8217;Hara&#8217;s</p>
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