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	<title>Comments on: Knitting: Not just for grannies</title>
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		<title>By: arthappy</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164265</link>
		<dc:creator>arthappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say &quot;contempt.&quot; I say &quot;standards.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Contempt, standards.&lt;br /&gt;
Contempt, standards.&lt;br /&gt;
Let&#039;s call the whole thing off...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say &#8220;contempt.&#8221; I say &#8220;standards.&#8221;<br />
Contempt, standards.<br />
Contempt, standards.<br />
Let&#8217;s call the whole thing off&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kurtis</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164229</link>
		<dc:creator>kurtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 04:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once kicked a home-run in kickball. It was the supreme experience of 8th grade. There was a girl I liked in the class, and I still remember her look of awe as I rounded the bases. So kickball is totally a sport. &lt;br /&gt;
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And knitting is an art, despite arthappy&#039;s contempt and The Rat&#039;s one-two punch of skepticism and false dichotomies. But at the end of the day, few people care if they&#039;re in or out of the imaginary circle you&#039;ve drawn for them. Maybe jazz isn&#039;t music and knitting isn&#039;t art and Buddhism isn&#039;t a religion and Science Fiction isn&#039;t really literature and LiveJournal isn&#039;t really blogging. Jazz musicians, knitters, Budhists, sci fi authors and LJ users go about their business. &lt;br /&gt;
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But it&#039;s past my bedtime.&lt;br /&gt;
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And yes, JACC, the knitting has given way to scrapbooking in this household. What else are you going to do with five cats, if you can&#039;t scrapbook their stories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once kicked a home-run in kickball. It was the supreme experience of 8th grade. There was a girl I liked in the class, and I still remember her look of awe as I rounded the bases. So kickball is totally a sport. </p>
<p>And knitting is an art, despite arthappy&#8217;s contempt and The Rat&#8217;s one-two punch of skepticism and false dichotomies. But at the end of the day, few people care if they&#8217;re in or out of the imaginary circle you&#8217;ve drawn for them. Maybe jazz isn&#8217;t music and knitting isn&#8217;t art and Buddhism isn&#8217;t a religion and Science Fiction isn&#8217;t really literature and LiveJournal isn&#8217;t really blogging. Jazz musicians, knitters, Budhists, sci fi authors and LJ users go about their business. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s past my bedtime.</p>
<p>And yes, JACC, the knitting has given way to scrapbooking in this household. What else are you going to do with five cats, if you can&#8217;t scrapbook their stories?</p>
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		<title>By: mnblrmkr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164227</link>
		<dc:creator>mnblrmkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And yes, good is subjective, but just because something sucks, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not art. It just means it&#039;s bad art.&lt;br /&gt;
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Millions of Velvet Elvis painters just high fived each other...hehe!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought I heard something next door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And yes, good is subjective, but just because something sucks, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not art. It just means it&#8217;s bad art.</p>
<p>Millions of Velvet Elvis painters just high fived each other&#8230;hehe!</em></p>
<p>I thought I heard something next door.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat_</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164225</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No freakin&#039; way. A softball is way harder to catch than a kickball and hurts a lot more if you get smacked by it. &lt;br /&gt;
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If you can break bones or split your face open by getting hit by the ball, it&#039;s a sport. &lt;br /&gt;
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Word. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No freakin&#8217; way. A softball is way harder to catch than a kickball and hurts a lot more if you get smacked by it. </p>
<p>If you can break bones or split your face open by getting hit by the ball, it&#8217;s a sport. </p>
<p>Word.</p>
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		<title>By: aliecat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164224</link>
		<dc:creator>aliecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And yes, good is subjective, but just because something sucks, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not art. It just means it&#039;s bad art.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Millions of Velvet Elvis painters just high fived each other...hehe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And yes, good is subjective, but just because something sucks, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not art. It just means it&#8217;s bad art.</em></p>
<p>Millions of Velvet Elvis painters just high fived each other&#8230;hehe!</p>
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		<title>By: mnblrmkr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164223</link>
		<dc:creator>mnblrmkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What do you have against craft? Does it have to be art to be good?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve got nothing against craft. In fact, like Alie said, I would consider craft to be a form of art. It may not be &quot;fine&quot; or &quot;high&quot; art, but it&#039;s a form of art none the less.&lt;br /&gt;
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And yes, good is subjective, but just because something sucks, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not art. It just means it&#039;s bad art.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What do you have against craft? Does it have to be art to be good?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got nothing against craft. In fact, like Alie said, I would consider craft to be a form of art. It may not be &#8220;fine&#8221; or &#8220;high&#8221; art, but it&#8217;s a form of art none the less.</p>
<p>And yes, good is subjective, but just because something sucks, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not art. It just means it&#8217;s bad art.</p>
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		<title>By: 108</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164222</link>
		<dc:creator>108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;is yoyoing a sport? &lt;br /&gt;
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If it is, so is kickball &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I would say yoyoing is more a sport than kickball.  And kickball is way more a sport than softball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>is yoyoing a sport? </p>
<p>If it is, so is kickball </em></p>
<p>I would say yoyoing is more a sport than kickball.  And kickball is way more a sport than softball.</p>
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		<title>By: aliecat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164221</link>
		<dc:creator>aliecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What do you have against craft?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why can&#039;t knitting be both?</description>
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<p>Why can&#8217;t knitting be both?</p>
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		<title>By: arthappy</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164218</link>
		<dc:creator>arthappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My original statement--that knitting is not art--was in response to the original MPR story about the 54 million people who knit and want some sort of merit badge for it. This is a hobby, not art. It is not intended as consumption as art, nor is it intended as art. &lt;br /&gt;
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It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a novel pastime for people who want to think of themselves as &quot;creative.&quot; But this doesn&#039;t make them artists--notwithstanding the valid exceptions that people have pointed out here. (Note: 54 million knitters = not the same thing as museum textile departments.)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason I said that this is not art is because Max had categorized it as such. It was just a glib statement that I tossed off for giggles, though it indicates that I do strongly take exception to our culture&#039;s directive to pat ourselves on our backs just because every Joe, Jim, and Jerry can weave two strings together. &lt;br /&gt;
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If that attitude is elitist, so be it. There&#039;s too little time to sift through all the crap that people make to care about such hackneyed namecalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My original statement&#8211;that knitting is not art&#8211;was in response to the original MPR story about the 54 million people who knit and want some sort of merit badge for it. This is a hobby, not art. It is not intended as consumption as art, nor is it intended as art. </p>
<p>It <em>is</em> a novel pastime for people who want to think of themselves as &#8220;creative.&#8221; But this doesn&#8217;t make them artists&#8211;notwithstanding the valid exceptions that people have pointed out here. (Note: 54 million knitters = not the same thing as museum textile departments.)</p>
<p>The only reason I said that this is not art is because Max had categorized it as such. It was just a glib statement that I tossed off for giggles, though it indicates that I do strongly take exception to our culture&#8217;s directive to pat ourselves on our backs just because every Joe, Jim, and Jerry can weave two strings together. </p>
<p>If that attitude is elitist, so be it. There&#8217;s too little time to sift through all the crap that people make to care about such hackneyed namecalling.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/12375#comment-164217</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;em&gt;But whether something is &quot;art&quot; or not really doesn&#039;t hinge on whether it is &quot;good&quot; or not.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, &lt;em&gt;good&lt;/em&gt;is subjective opinion. &lt;br /&gt;
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What do you have against craft? Does it have to be art to be good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But whether something is &#8220;art&#8221; or not really doesn&#8217;t hinge on whether it is &#8220;good&#8221; or not.</em></p>
<p>Well, <em>good</em>is subjective opinion. </p>
<p>What do you have against craft? Does it have to be art to be good?</p>
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