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Most lighting should be LED within a few years. They use less energy, are more durable, and last much longer.

i’ve heard similar praise and predictions for LEDs…but how long until they arent extremely cost prohibitive?

and who’s the best at manufacturing them?

She’s just doing this to impress George W. Bush

@en – Great questions. @Derusha should illuminate us.

She’s just doing this to impress George W. Bush
mmmmmm lame duck.

LED’s really do very little for you. You’re always better off getting the full high school diploma.

Of all the bulbs in my house I think only 4 are incandescent including the fridge bulb. The rest are either LED, halogen or CF’s. Some of the CF’s I’ve had are the original ones from when I moved in. IKEA makes a nice rubber coated globe that I used to replace the huge $2 a piece incandescent ones in the bathroom that would only last about 3-6 months. I had one blue CF bulb from my old apartment. It was in my old roommates apartment when he moved in. I took it to my place when he moved. Rarely turned it off for 5 years. Moved it to my house and it lasted another 2-3 years without ever being turned off. So basically I had one bulb burn for 8+ years non-stop or about 70,000 hours.

mmmmmm lame duck.

Not a lame duck to her

Not a lame duck to her
Yeah well, she’s quacking up.

The last time I got hosed up it wasn’t with a lightbulb!

Most lighting should be LED within a few years. They use less energy, are more durable, and last much longer.

Without doing it on purpose, I think you touched on what bothers so many people about the global warming jihad. We’re all happy to do help the environment, but we reject people who look down their noses and dictate what we should be doing. We’ll drive the cars of our choice and use the lightbulbs of our choice, thank you very much. If you want to do your own thing, go ahead and knock yourself out.

Now back to the Bachmann bashing.

@kevin – Actually, I think you misunderstood.

I didn’t say “most people should buy” or “most people should switch to” it was a statement on superior technology.

Keep listening to your 8 track cassette players. I could care less.

JACC- that reminds me, I keep asking my dad to give me his old Hi-Fi with the 8-track player…

The issue is a balance of rights. The SUV driving does have an impact on others. How do you balance one person’s wish to driver a Hummer and pollute as much as possible with the rights of the rest of the world? Individual freedoms vs individual responsibilities. How can you make someone behave responsibly without some sort of intervention from some outside entity? This is particularly true when they aren’t personally impacted. If American pollution causes acid rain in Canada, why should we care? They aren’t even a part of our country…

@jacc Oh, my bad.

My money is (literally) on Phillips to get to market first with the affordable LED…maybe 3 more years. A friend of mine from elementary & high school had 40+ LED-related lighting patents and thought he was in the race to get the affordable LED bulb to market… before Phillips made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Retired @ 36 years old.

@aliecat – Those old Hi-fi’s have held up really well.
(I haven’t owned a record player for more than 10 years)

I’d go the MixMaster route if I bought one so I could burn my albums to disk.

Re: Lighting – Can’t we just go back to candles?

Douglas makes a great point, it’s about being individually responsible. Not to sound too new-agey but for humanity to work we have to think about how our actions affect others. I was convinced with the energy savings and have replaced about half of the bulbs in the house with CFLs. I’m not pounding the pavement about the virtues of a twisty bulb but it makes financial sense which is something plenty of people should care about.

Linden Hills has formed a neighborhood organization charged with reducing pollution and energy waste. seems to be making a difference at the community level in terms of educating people in lieu of coercion via legislation. appeals to my inner green libertarian.

I have a quadraphonic stereo system for sale.
It has a turntable, cabinet, four speakers and the head unit that plays 8-tracks, it also has a cassette adapter for the 8-track slot and I’ll throw in the quadraphonic headphones for free. Best Offer! Your choice of Roger Whittaker 8-tracks.

what brand of turntable? belt or direct drive?

Live green or die, suckas….

I eat vegetarian(s)

MPLS has a monopoly on trash and recycling which allows them to offer terrible service. your recycling has to be sorted just so or they won’t take it (other cities’ residents don’t need to sort at all). now they want me to load the car w/fluorescent lights and drive them to a different city because they’re too dangerous for MPLS to handle? WTF? this is what happens when we don’t get choices as a consumer.

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this is what happens when we don’t get choices as a consumer.

Actually I think this means you only have a garbage truck going down your street once a week. You don’t have trash on the curb at a different house every day of the week and you get to set a sofa, fridge, hot water heater, queen sized mattress, microwave, grill, etc on the curb and they will take it away for free.

Check around I’ll bet that people outside of Minnespolis don’t have curb side put up of any hazardous waste and pay way more for a similar service.

Cartoon of the day. Is it just me, or does the guy with the beard look familiar?

I love that cartoon.

…don’t care much for Bachmann

Re: Lighting – Can’t we just go back to candles?

No!!

Way to rip off the Strib’s headline.

. . . Simpleton: Minneapolis doesn’t have hazardous waste curbside pick up either . . .

headline police…I have contacted the quote out of context police. They will be arriving shortly.

“I’ll bet that people outside of Minnespolis don’t have curb side put (sic) up of any hazardous waste”

Also what headline does that rip off? I never saw it.

I had to call Mpls recycling recently because they were throwing about 25% of my glass in the trash instead of taking it or leaving a yellow note. No broken bottles, put in a paper bag, exactly how they like it, but for some reason that half a bag wasn’t good for recycling?! I just hope there’s no retribution factor.

Paulie, is it a certain color of glass they are tossing?

I’ve noticed that they tend to sort glass by color at the curb. They must hate our house with all of the mixed wine, beer and liquor bottles mixed in with glass food jars.

I think it was all brown (Summit) bottles that they discarded, but since those make up 80% of my glass recycling, it was less than half of the brown glass in my bin that I found in my trash on those two occassions.

Odd.

Are you sure it’s not the big guy in the Miller Beer commercials? ‘Cause he don’t hold with no fancy beers.

assholes just knocked down my door without a warrant and beat me and now “I understand what you are saying” (they told me to say that)

post headline/strib headline/not directed at you specifically

That reminds me of a beer question I was pondering yesterday. As a general rule, is it true that warmer climates prefer lighter beers like lagers and colder ones are more likely to make stouts and ales? I think so, and this may be a sister axiom to closer to the equator means spicier food.

A lagers and ales refer to the specific brewing technique (specifically whether you have top- or bottom-fermenting yeast). They don’t have anything to do with whether it’s heavy or light–you can have dark lagers and light ales. Also, lagers were originally developed in cold climates (in order to lager the beer back before refridgeration) like Germany and the Czech Republic.

That bit of pedantry aside, I would say it’s probably fair to say that people prefer lighter bodied beers in warm whether and like darker ones in cold whether. I know I tend to be much more in the mood for hopier brews like IPAs in the summer.

the oddest beer anomoly, to me, is that brewing lagers takes considerably longer than brewing ales. yet the big macro-brewers almost exclusively make lagers (bud, miller, heineken, amstel, etc).

perhaps the ingredients are cheaper (or more free of those annoying “beer flavors”) and that’s why they are more popular?

I know Jamaicans prefer Guiness.

And in Ireland they consume more Budweiser than Guiness.

other cities’ residents don’t need to sort at all

Not true. My recycler in St. Paul requires us to separate our recycleables and there are some things we aren’t allowed to recycle at all. Otherwise, why even have recycling if you don’t have to separate things? It’d be the same as the everyday trash that goes into your trash bin.

@JACC: Yes, Yardies like Guiness in a bokkle. But they make Red Stripe.

Another exception to the rule would be Negro Modelo from Mexico – but, that’s a German beer that moved I understand.

Not true.

i didn’t mean mpls is the only city that requires this, i meant there are other cities that provide this feature for their customers. mpls won’t because that lady from the garbage dept that writes in said it’s too costly and would impact the efficiency of their other services.

I know that light lagers became increasingly popular near the end of the 19th century.

As far as their prevalence in the US, blame that on the Germanic backgrounds of most of the brewery founders in the US, Prohibition, and the limited grain availability and rationing during and after WWII.

Those last 2 alone prevented a generation from drinking the same beer styles as preceding ones. Grain rationing encouraged the use of adjuncts like rice, which help if you’re trying to make a light beer, but don’t really help develop malty characteristics.

A very light, clear, American-style lager is one of the most difficult styles to homebrew, especially if you want consistent results. You have to hand that, at least, to the megabreweries.

Bachmann called any human connection to global warming “voodoo, nonsense, hokum, a hoax.”

This woman is a total nut job.

C’mon just change. The savings on all levels bar the first time cost are significant.

but couldn’t you say that with the advent of computer technology and monocultures (not to mention genetic modification) in growing grain, that it’s easier to mass produce that near-flavorless american-style lager now than it ever was. whereas there is less and less planted acreage for the custom malts and hops that are used in specialized ales (eg the current hops shortage)?

“Check around I’ll bet that people outside of Minneapolis don’t have curb side put up of any hazardous waste and pay way more for a similar service.“

Damn straight. When we were in southern Minnesota, they were a lot more restrictive in what they would or would not take. Then when we moved to St. Paul, we had multiple garbage trucks roaring down the street almost daily. I like the Minneapolis system much better. But that is just my opinion.

Ms. Bachmann,
Please stick an incandescent lightbulb in your cunt so I can punch you.
Thanks.

This is what happens when you have two threads devoted to Michele Bachmann. People say insane things over a discussion of light bulbs.

Linden Hills has formed a neighborhood organization charged with reducing pollution and energy waste. seems to be making a difference at the community level in terms of educating people in lieu of coercion via legislation. appeals to my inner green libertarian.

You have a very good point. If someone mandates me to do something I will not do it. If you come to me with a reasoned approach and show me how it is good for me then I will do it. The light bulb argument is a perfect one. I was buying them before they changed the law once the law was changed it pissed me off so much that I stopped purchasing them just because I am not willing to comply with bullshit regulation. I also do not care about global warming it is happening but who gives a shit, we can’t change it. What I am concerned about is our water supply and the reason for that is if the weather gets warmer then water is going to be much more valuable. I am willing to do things to keep the water supply clean along with our lakes and rivers. I like to fish so I am much more willing to participate in environmental acts that pertain to that directly. Furthermore, the sky is falling global warming crowd is in la la land if they think a bunch of light bulbs or car pooling is going to do shit. If you really want to reduce your carbon footprint then quit the breeding footprints, i.e. stop having so many children. The fewer people we have on earth the less carbon will go into the air. The real global/environmental threat is population growth, not warming. The left wing and the right wing of this country do not have the guts to say it, but reducing the population is the only way that you will ever have a real impact on the environment. the rest of this argument is just plain bullshit and is like praying, it might make you feel better but it probably does nothing.

The real global/environmental threat is population growth, not warming.

I think it’s a poor standard of living. You elevate people’s standard of living and they become more wealthy and thus more concerned about environmental issues. Industrialized countries become cleaner and can support a large population.

Simple things can be done in struggling countries, like electricity so they don’t have to burn wood. I makes a household healthier because children with developing lungs don’t have to breath wood smoke.

But listen to the hue and cry when one of those countries try to build a coal-fired power plant or hydro electric dam.

Swandog – ranging from rambling & selfish (who gives a shit) to coherent & incisive (population & water). Pity about the values. No wonder bridges fall and roads have pothole the size of small boats in this town.

Swandog is right. It’s so politically incorrect to talk about there basically being too many people that it’s not even allowed on the agenda at global environmental summits, despite being the most urgent environmental topic. Everything else from global warming to deforestation to litter relates directly to population. Isaac Asimov wrote about this topic quite a bit, and the fact that people are unwilling to address it because there are no cures that are not horrible.

I bet they said that when the U.S. hit 200 million. I’ve read that you could feed the whole world from the San Joaquin valley.

It’s so politically incorrect to talk about there basically being too many people

Let’s determine whether the assumption is merely correct. There’s no other planet with more or fewer people to judge against.

In Swandog’s world – being a libertarian means you don’t actually give a Sh1t, because “no one tells me what to do”. In fact in the name of liberty it’s fine to procreate to your hearts content because individuals don’t make a difference anyway. Hypocrite.

“Let’s determine whether the assumption is merely correct.”

Let’s. But let’s not use fallacies to do so.

The biggest problem with overpopulation is not food. It’s clean water. We don’t need a control planet to determine if there are people drinking tainted water and living in filth.

You can take my incandescent bulbs from my cold, dead hands. Most of my place is converted to CFL, but I installed a dimmer in the bedroom, so, um, I could use less power without throwing away a working bulb? Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Find me a good dimmer-friendly 120W+ equivalent and we can talk. Mrs. Champs needs more light in there when she paints, and it’s the only room we can shut off from the cats.

Your wife’s hobby/avocation won’t kill the planet, Champs.

If your wife paints by fluorescent light, she needs to take a remedial art course.

I don’t think fluorescent lights render color too accurately.

I haven’t used or worked under fluorescent light in about 20 years. I only work under incandescent. Even when I worked in corporate america, my office was lit via incandescent lamps only. I refused to turn on the overhead fluerescent light.

Why? Fluorescent lights have been know to interfere with your brain waves, affecting your emotions and physical health. People who are forced to work under fluorescent light complain of more mental and physical fatigue at the end of the day than people who don’t.

Ask yourself this: How many of you have your bedroom or living room lit with fluorescent lighting? Why not? The less-harsh type of lighting provided by incandescent lights is more conducive to relaxation beause it doesn’t interfere with your brain waves. I’ve made this point at the last place I worked and after a year or so, the entire company had shut off the overhead fluorescents and switched to incandescent lamps (40 watt) or indirect lighting provided by free standing halogen lamps.

Have a nice day.

Never heard so much rubbish in all my life.

Mrs Champs should learn about lighting.

Swandog is right. It’s so politically incorrect to talk about there basically being too many people that it’s not even allowed on the agenda at global environmental summits, despite being the most urgent environmental topic.

Because then you’d be putting yourself on a par with the communist chinese who banned families from having more than one child. The chinese implemented the policy in 1979 to alleviate over-population and is typically held up as an example of the tyranny of communism.

But then again, I suppose some would have no problem with such an association.

I swear it’s not the light bulbs. Gotta be something else interfering with the brain waves.

They got fluorescent lights in that soda pop factory Joe?

Maz

The last folks I met saying the same stuff about fluorescent light were absolute off-the-griders. They were potters living in the mountainous wilds of north carolina, powering their house with a generator turned by the stream running through their property.

Just goes to show you, the way left can meet the way right at each end of the circle.

Hugs and kisses everyone!

Who doesn’t?

Not sure who works in a warehouse or a plant, but if you saw incandescent lighting I would be amazed. Unless that were “off the grid” as it were with the stream and paddles.

I used to work with a woman who had chronic headaches. I told her I thought it was related to the fluorescent lights in her office. She turned off the overhead light and started lighting her office with one of those indirect halogen lamps that point towards the ceiling. She stopped getting the headaches.

“Because then you’d be putting yourself on a par with the communist chinese who banned families from having more than one child. The chinese implemented the policy in 1979 to alleviate over-population and is typically held up as an example of the tyranny of communism.”

So much for the theory that nothing’s fucking with your brain waves anymore.

don’t understimate your leaving the job as a factor in eliminating her headaches.

Nice. Nice people you have here Max.

Aw.

China is an odd place in that regard. Went to dinner one evening at a disco/restaurant on The Bund section of Shanghai. Looked over all the club kids in their early 20s. Chances were good not one of them had a brother or a sister. Imagine that on a national scale much larger than the U.S.

moar funny pictures

You reap what you sow, maz.

“more conducive to relaxation beause it doesn’t interfere with your brain waves.“

I hear tin foil hats work wonders for protecting brain waves…that’s just what I’ve heard, I wouldn’t know from first hand experience, of course.

Abstract

Twenty-hour-exposure to fluorescent light produces chromatid breaks in a line of adult mouse lung cells grown in Dulbecco-Vogt medium supplemented with fetal bovine serum. The light-induced damage appears to be enhanced by increasing the concentration of oxygen in the gas phase of the culture. The effective wavelength(s) of light is in the visible range between 400 and 450 nm andis probably the mercury emission peak at 405 or 436 nm. Addition of catalase or glutathione with ascorbic acid to the culture medium reduced the number of chromatid breaks to a level not significantly different from that in the shielded cultures. It thus appears that the production of H2O2 in the culture medium or in the cell is responsible for the chromatid breaks. Most of the chromosomal abnormalities observed in long-term culture of mouse cells may result from exposure of cells or medium to fluorescent room lights in the presence of atmospheric oxygen. These genetic abnormalities can be minimized by shielding cells and medium from light, lowering the PO2 of the medium, and including reducing agents such as glutathione and ascorbic acid in the medium formulation.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=392434

There ya go.

Uhh, that study is from 1978.

What I would like to know is what is the supposed mechanism for fluorescent lights to cause damage to the person?

I am not a research doctor, but the photons that come from fluorescent or incandescent lights are the same.

Light is light, photons are photons.

Also, the abstract says nothing about comparing the fluorescent light to incandescent light.

If fluorescent lights fuck you up, then for sure the sun would. It has much more intense light and its spectrum is way broader. So the same frequencies that are emitted by a fluorescent light are emitted by the sun, but are much stronger.

Anyway, this sounds like a crank theory.

She’s a one-termer for sure. Buh-bye, Michelle.

Frequency harmonics of the excited fluorocarbons in the bulb are at odds with the frequency of your alpha and beta waves. Harmonics, vlad. You should appreciate that.

I hope the taxpayers of Minnesota aren’t paying you too large of a stipend over there.

I find it hilarious that maz thinks we won’t know that hmmmm is him.

I find it oddly hilarious that maz can dish the snark out, but can’t take it.

I’m not hmmmmmm. But he/she is obviously a very smart person as well.

Didn’t your parents ever tell you never to doubt the old indian guy?

Frequency harmonics of the excited fluorocarbons in the bulb are at odds with the frequency of your alpha and beta waves. Harmonics, vlad. You should appreciate that.

Alright, I don’t know anything about the brain so I can’t really say anything about Alpha or Beta waves in the brain.

I do however know quite a bit about plasma physics, light, photons, etc.

A sure way to get around this problem is put a metal helmet on one’s head.
I am not being an asshole, I am simply saying a fact. If you put let’s say a 1/4″ helmet of a steel metal around the head, pretty much no electromagentic wave will be able to penetrate it. All brain waves will be able to function without interference.

This of course is a good old example of a Faraday Cage.

And if you are worried about E-M waves coming from lights, you should probably worry about all the billion other sources of Electromagnetic radiation pretty much everywhere around us.

Sorry – wrong study. Thought I popped the right one up.

“Although humans cannot see fluorescent lights flicker, the sensory system in some individuals can somehow detect the flicker. Ever since fluorescent lighting was introduced in workplaces, there have been complaints about headaches, eye strain and general eye discomfort. These complaints have been associated with the light flicker from fluorescent lights. When compared to regular fluorescent lights with magnetic ballasts, the use of high frequency electronic ballasts (20,000 Hz or higher) in fluorescent lights resulted in more than a 50% drop in complaints of eye strain and headaches. There tended to be fewer complaints of headaches among workers on higher floors compared to those closer to ground level; that is, workers exposed to more natural light experienced fewer health effects. “

[Wilkins, A. J., Nimmo-Smith, I., Slater, A. & Bedocs, L. (1989). Fluorescent lighting, headaches and eye-strain. Lighting Research and Technology, vol. 21, 11-18]

Plus, each bulb contains approximately 5 milligrams of mercury – enough to make approximately 6000 gallons of distilled water unfit for consumption. Jeeze, just look at Maine’s new safety guide dealing with cleaning up one broken bulb – possibly tear up your carpet in the area? Nasty.

Heck, the radical, disproven, homeopathetic WHO (World Health Org) says, let’s not jump into this fluorescent thing too quickly.

(Now, if you buy the color-corrected bulbs, maybe not too bad.)

Still off, though.

Finally, . . .

“Fluorescent lighting enhances tumor formation (Wiskemann A., Sturm, E., Klehr, N.W.,
1986 Cancer Research and Clinical Oncology)
“Fluorescent lighting contributes to agoraphobia (Hazell, J., Wilkins. A.J., Psychology & Medicine, 1990
“Increase in breast cancer rates among night workers exposed to fluorescent light
(OLeary, et al American Journal of Epidemiology, 2006)
(Note: it is currently postulated that the distorted spectral distribution of fluorescent light disrupts the bodys circadian rhythms through melatonin suppression which causes hormonal shifts resulting in increases in breast cancer. )
“Circadian disruption caused by fluorescent light in the built environment contributes to breast cancer and endocrine disruption (Stevens, & Rea, Cancer Causes and Control, 2001)
“Fluorescent lighting caused increased stress in humans. (Basso, M.R. Jr., Journal of Neuroscience, 2001)

I got a better idea. Turn the fluorescent lights off.

“I find it hilarious that maz thinks we won’t know that hmmmm is him.“

I find your certainty in the face of error hilarious, myself, but then we probably don’t like the same beers either.

I think I know who hmmmm/ummmm is, but I ain’t sayin.

It wouldn’t have been either fluorescent or incandescent that causes headaches…it’s all artificial light. Natural light, with automatic light dimmers, provides the best light for people in office settings. The thing that sucks is most offices are designed for shit, don’t have nearly enough external views or windows and usually have too high of cube walls so you are stuck under WAY too many lights blaring down and reflecting back from computer screens…thus causing headaches.

As for CFLs/LEDs/incandescents…regardless of what you think of global warming, conserving energy just makes sense and is to the benefit of everyone to practice. If nothing else, less energy used means less infrastructure to build (power plants, transmission lines, wind turbines…less energy used requires less energy to be produced). That, in turn, lowers costs (as capital costs are passed on to consumers). That’s a monstrous reason to use less energy.

None of that changes the fact that Michelle Bachman is batshit fucking nuts.

Dude, the graph you linked is bogus. The y-axis is “Norm. Output” which means normalized output.

There is no way the daylight sun has the same intensity as a weak fluorescent bulb.

Ok, I need to find a 1/4″ steel helmet ASAP. Tinfoil is not thick enough to block the radiation from my brain.

Michelle Bachman is outraged that once again the democrat congress is trying to grab more power for itself. Every time the government passes a new regulation or makes another behavior mandatory or removes another choice in the marketplace, that means less power for you.

You may be perfectly comfortable living in a nanny state, but some of us are not. Fortunately, we have patriots like Michelle Bachman looking out for us.

The point is that even if fluorescent lights cause your brain to explode, that doesn’t mean the other kinds have no environmental impact, just like the fact that even if the commies were genocidal pricks who thought overpopulation was a problem doesn’t mean that overpopulation is not a problem.

Even if he’s the direct descendent of Sitting Bull himself, those are not logical arguments.

After reading some of the comments on this thread, I somewhat draw to the conclusion that psudo liberals, connected with the modern enviromental movement, are indeed Nazis to the core. Miss Bachmann(for whom I somewhat respectfully disagree on the number of issues) may be right on this topic: the fact remains that the Al Gore global warming crowd and Corporate America are trampling on the rights of consumers over how we buy light bulbs at the local hardware stores. It’s no better when children in public education schools have to eat “process” food, known as garbage, since school districts have contracts with TNC companies that make this shit to the general public out there.

Btw, Thomas Edison would be lynched today by the eco-KKK movement for his involvement in the creation of the old fashion light bulb because it contributes to Global Warming.

The point is, even if walking is better than riding, I don’t want to live in a society where the government tells me I must walk. This isn’t about whether or not fluorescent lightbulbs are good or bad. This is about the government taking incandescent bulbs off the market. Some people believe this law is probably unconstitutional.

Let the market decide.

Speaking of logic, here comes Big G to make Maz look like Kurt freaking Godel.

Why, then, has this great patriot, Michelle Bachman, not introduced a bill to stop the switch to HD broadcasting?

I agree with you fygar. That’s another over-reach by the congress. They force broadcasters to spend millions of dollars in new equipment to broadcast a new screen configuration? They might as well mandate the size of newsprint.

To anyone who has read anything at all about history, saying “Let the market decide” is a lot like saying “I’m not really comfortable with people killing and eating each other, but let’s let the cannibals decide.”

Fine Max. You can let government decide then.

Oh, I haven’t trusted the government since they stopped allowing the market to decide on things like slavery and child pornography. They’re just a bit too quick when it comes to taking freedom out of the hand of the consumer.

ADVANTAGE: SPARBER

Oh, I haven’t trusted the government since they stopped allowing the market to decide on things like slavery and child pornography. They’re just a bit too quick when it comes to taking freedom out of the hand of the consumer.

But you’re fine with them picking your lightbulb for you.

IDEA! (Lightbulb pops up overhead)

Michelle Bachmann is a dingbat.

This bill by Bachmann is symbolic and designed to grab some headlines and get her on the radio, like she was last night. She’s a politician and fish have to swim and birds have to fly.

But that doesn’t mean she’s not on to something. And the mere mention of her name incites people into spittle flying rage. So I’m taking a chance of getting labeled a conservative again. Not only that, a Maz-type conservative.

I was told yesterday that at some point in my life I might have to become a client of company/group/organization in order to throw away my light bulbs.

What kinda rot is that?

If they take Rat’s light bulbs and make him a client, then Al Quaeda has alredy won.

It would take a dimbulb to worry about lightbulbs. Isn’t there more impotant things for her to work on? I don’t think that issue is going to effect the economy that much right now.

“I was told yesterday that at some point in my life I might have to become a client of company/group/organization in order to throw away my light bulbs.“

That sounds suspiciously like FUD.

Who’s FUD?

It’s a female urination device.

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. A tried and true misinformation tactic taken to extremes by Microsoft back in the day.

Neither fearful or doubtful. I am rather uncertain about this whole dubious light bulb thing.

From Fark.com Rep. Michele Bachmann proposes bill that would reverse phase-in of energy-efficient compact flourescent lights.

Turner & Overdrive frustrated, still think she’s a dim bulb

In Bachmanns’ world, taking away your right to choose lightbulbs is BAD. Taking away your right to control your own body or choose who you live with is GOOD.

@ maza

“Every time the government passes a new regulation or makes another behavior mandatory or removes another choice in the marketplace, that means less power for you.”

You mean…like, the Patriotic Act or anything under cover of the TSA.

Republicans do it: GOOD!
Dems?: Bad! because it’s the democrats! No matter what!

Check yo self, dude. You’re just silly.

You may be perfectly comfortable living in a nanny state, but some of us are not. Fortunately, we have patriots like Michelle Bachman looking out for us.
»» Submitted by »»» mazasapa at 9:38 PM on March 26

I rest my case. It’s definitely not the lightbulbs.

More crap coming from her office. She is seriously the biggest tool that has every represented our fine state.

All those in her district should be ashamed. You gay hating inbred bible bangers!

The solution to the CFLs with mercury vs. inefficient incancesdents is on the way.
http://www.vu1.com/