Secrets of the City

I probably shouldn’t say anything – my cybermouth has been getting me in trouble lately, and ALAMN is one of my clients, but:

(1) Seriously? A KARE-11 news report and Washington Post blog post about an interest group sending out an email to influence an online poll? Gasp. Welcome to 1998. This has been happening since online polls existed fer chrissakes. Just because the response KARE-11 wanted to win didn’t win, does not make this news.

(2) Scott Goldberg strikes me as a total douche.

Absolutely. Online polls are usually about as reliable as an East German Trabant. Very few actually try to verify who is participating and even those that do, don’t usually do a good job of it.

Maybe there is an obvious answer here, but why is the American Lung Association using it’s resources to be an advocate for E85? Has their mission charter been expanded? If it has to do with emissions, shouldn’t they be targeting a solution with zero-emissions and support the technology that could accomplish this goal?

I blame “ethananol” for that post headline…

Hahaha! Whoops!

Hopefully max will wake up before noon and fix it for me…hehe!

I love that we have a lurker named SpellsGood.

And that alie f*cked up.

What? What time is it?

Why’d y’all wake me up?

Oh, crap. I see.

Helping to promote cleaner air (both outdoors and indoors) has been part of our mission for some time, taulpaul. It does have to do with emissions –tailpipe emissions from vehicles are the single largest source of outdoor air pollution in Minnesota. While biofuels are not the perfect solution (no fuel is), and are just one of many things we need to do (like the hybrid buses discussed in this thread), it IS cleaner-burning than gasoline, the fuel most of us are using.

Zero-emission transporation is a goal many are striving for, and one the American Lung Association of Minnesota supports and would welcome. On a practical matter, these solutions are still years away from being ready for the average Minnesotan. Biofuels like E85 and biodiesel are available today, and we encourage their use.

In 1998, the U.S. Dept. of Energy Clean Cities program selected the American Lung Association of Minnesota to lead a pilot program to create a public/private partnership to promote biofuels and to develop alternative fuel infratructure here. Today, Minnesota has more E85 stations than any other state.

Well, kevs, I was drinking ethanol when I wrote it last night…

You’re never going to find a good husband sitting around drinking ethanol all night.

Jeez, it wasn’t all night…

Who cares that almost as much “fossil” based energy goes into making ethanol as ethanol contains. The main problem with ethanol is that it is causing beer prices to increase.

Speaking of Old Milwaukee, here’s something new out of Milwaukee:
Midwest Leaders Agree on Co2 Plan.

This is big news nationwide.

“almost as much “fossil” based energy goes into making ethanol as ethanol contains”

Until the transportation and agriculture industries convert to biofuels, which is happening slowly.

That is happening faster than you might think, yoder. My brother-in-law, who farms near Valley City, ND, uses biodiesel now. According to this source, here’s not alone:

“UnitedSoybean Board research shows 31 percent of farmers use biodiesel, with up to 50 percent using it in some states.”

Ethanol critics use old energy data some retired crank named Pimentel cranks out. There’s another one in Berkley (Patzek) who does same. Honest researchers (and reporters) won’t use their numbers.

he’s not alone, rather…

Ethanol critics use old energy data
Yeah, I prefer the newer new studies on Scamanol

Sorry Bob.

Sorry reporting, rather.

Heck, even Santa likes E85.

Well, he looks like Santa.

Santa is a notorious smoker, Bob

“The main problem with ethanol is that it is causing beer prices to increase.”

I would guess that the shortage of hops is a bigger problem for beer prices than ethanol.

Beer gets too expensive and The Rat’ll grab a torch and pitchfork.

bollocks! Make your own.

Not in our bars, restaurants and clubs, Rat…

Re: beer prices, let’s not forget the Oily Elephant in the room — beer, grain and hops don’t travel into breweries, bars and stores on their own. As ethanol has been a convenient whipping boy lately for all price increase and social ills, it’s easy to overlook that petroleum fuel prices are up about 40% from this time a year ago.

Why?

I blame ethanol.

I’m eagerly awaiting the televised slap-fight between Bob and Scott Goldberg…RAWR!

…in jello!

Perhaps this guy could take my place in the televised slap-fight. He has experience being slapped, in any case.

…in jello!

Corn Pudding.

I’d pay money to see that…creamed corn grudge match!

F-yeah, I’ll take on anybody after a glass of corn whiskeh!

While I don’t know alot about ethonal and how it’s supposed to improve the enviroment the current blend seems to run just fine in my old 1976 Chev pickup. It starts great in the winter and you don’t need to worry so much about your gas line freezing up when it’s cold. My mileage hasn’t change a bit either, it’s still the same lousy 13 to 14 mpg like always.

If by “current blend” you mean E10 (that’s regular unleaded to y’all), you’re right Joe. Mileage is the same, and you don’t need the gas line antifreeze anymore. Best kept secret in Minnesota. We all have been running on squeeze (10 pecent ethanol, 90 percent gasoline) for a decade now. Who knew?

Remind me later to tell you about the Mounds View doughnut incident. I wish I had video.

Is there no end to ethanol’s reign of terror? Now it is threatening gasoline makers profits, according to the WSJ.