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		<title>By: swandog</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115865</link>
		<dc:creator>swandog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;when needed, to grab them by the ear and toss them from the bus, and those kids never reached a point where they traveled in hostile packs and threatened and accosted people with near impunity&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Amen, It is no wonder the little shits get younger, bolder and more violent.  Society permits it.  If someone now would throw a young lad that was in a &quot;group&quot; off a bus, that person would be slapped with a lawsuit or shot.  Kids know the game and the adults do not.  They create fear and control the street with that fear.  Then everyone wonders why the streets are not safe.  We live in a chicken shit society that is afraid to make a stand for anything. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>when needed, to grab them by the ear and toss them from the bus, and those kids never reached a point where they traveled in hostile packs and threatened and accosted people with near impunity</em></p>
<p>Amen, It is no wonder the little shits get younger, bolder and more violent.  Society permits it.  If someone now would throw a young lad that was in a &#8220;group&#8221; off a bus, that person would be slapped with a lawsuit or shot.  Kids know the game and the adults do not.  They create fear and control the street with that fear.  Then everyone wonders why the streets are not safe.  We live in a chicken shit society that is afraid to make a stand for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: grote</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115863</link>
		<dc:creator>grote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;tis better to nab a purse snatcher than to ban a snatch purser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8217;tis better to nab a purse snatcher than to ban a snatch purser.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115854</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;Also, back in the day, men weren&#039;t shot dead in crowded buses for asking noisy youngsters to please quieten down.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but, back in that same day (hint: the North American landmass was still joined with Asia) &quot;noisy youngsters&quot;, from the earliest age, faced people all around them willing to tell them, in very judgmental tones, that they were being noisy or rude, or, when needed, to grab them by the ear and toss them from the bus, and those kids never reached a point where they traveled in hostile packs and threatened and accosted people with near impunity.&lt;br /&gt;
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Cause and effect?  I don&#039;t know, but I sense a relation somewhere in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Also, back in the day, men weren&#8217;t shot dead in crowded buses for asking noisy youngsters to please quieten down.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>True, but, back in that same day (hint: the North American landmass was still joined with Asia) &#8220;noisy youngsters&#8221;, from the earliest age, faced people all around them willing to tell them, in very judgmental tones, that they were being noisy or rude, or, when needed, to grab them by the ear and toss them from the bus, and those kids never reached a point where they traveled in hostile packs and threatened and accosted people with near impunity.</p>
<p>Cause and effect?  I don&#8217;t know, but I sense a relation somewhere in there.</p>
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		<title>By: mnblrmkr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115852</link>
		<dc:creator>mnblrmkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>teucer, I wasn&#039;t referring to you. You seem to be taking a more nuanced view.&lt;br /&gt;
I was referring to binky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teucer, I wasn&#8217;t referring to you. You seem to be taking a more nuanced view.<br />
I was referring to binky.</p>
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		<title>By: mnblrmkr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115849</link>
		<dc:creator>mnblrmkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;the sight of the guy ahead beating at the woman and struggling at the purse should never, ever trigger anything less than a full-blown running-and-bodychecking-and-smacking-with-stray-concrete-chunks physical assault on the snatcher.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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What did I miss?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;the sight of the guy ahead beating at the woman and struggling at the purse should never, ever trigger anything less than a full-blown running-and-bodychecking-and-smacking-with-stray-concrete-chunks physical assault on the snatcher.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>What did I miss?</p>
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		<title>By: lunch</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115846</link>
		<dc:creator>lunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I&#039;ve asked around outside of this board for reactions to this situation - because I was surprised at how many here thought this guy did just fine - and I&#039;ve been surprised how many people over 40 agreed with me, and how many under 40 roundly disagreed.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boomers.  Will you please retire already. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I&#8217;ve asked around outside of this board for reactions to this situation &#8211; because I was surprised at how many here thought this guy did just fine &#8211; and I&#8217;ve been surprised how many people over 40 agreed with me, and how many under 40 roundly disagreed.</em></p>
<p>Boomers.  Will you please retire already.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115843</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt; . . .yours and binky&#039;s &quot;Death Wish&quot; fantasy.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Call me when you can read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em> . . .yours and binky&#8217;s &#8220;Death Wish&#8221; fantasy.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>Call me when you can read.</p>
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		<title>By: mnblrmkr</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115841</link>
		<dc:creator>mnblrmkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um, bobby, as I read it, the perp didn&#039;t even give joe the chance to escalate this into yours and binky&#039;s &quot;Death Wish&quot; fantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, bobby, as I read it, the perp didn&#8217;t even give joe the chance to escalate this into yours and binky&#8217;s &#8220;Death Wish&#8221; fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: teucer</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115850</link>
		<dc:creator>teucer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mnblrmkr: &quot;In my experience, the ones that complain that someone ELSE wasn&#039;t &quot;balls-out courageous&quot; are usually the first ones to piss their pants and flee in those circumstances.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, please note that I was careful to say: &quot;I don&#039;t know what I would have done. I hope I would have got stuck in and damn the consequences...&quot; I hope I would not have to think twice about it. But until I&#039;m there and handling the adrenaline dump in that situation, I&#039;m not going to wave my hands about how what I would have done. &lt;br /&gt;
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Bobby_b: &quot;Not to make fun of you, teucer, for saying that it&#039;s just that we always looked at the philosophy underlying that sentiment...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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No, I take your point. And I&#039;m not wild about it either. But even back in the day (whenever that was), I would imagine that not everyone was willing to go in two fisted. I don&#039;t choose to condemn the guy for his actions as I am not him, and I wasn&#039;t there. &lt;br /&gt;
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Furthermore, like any other situation when survival might depend on your decision-making, there&#039;s something to be said for making an assessment of the situation, then making a decision. Not thinking is what leads to multiple drownings when brave-but-doomed rescuers leap into fast-flowing rivers without first considering their actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, back in the day, men weren&#039;t shot dead in crowded buses for asking noisy youngsters to please quieten down. In a world where violent people are willing to use guns without provocation, you&#039;re making a potential life-and-death decision any time you choose to get directly involved. The potential consequences seem to have a greater probability of being that much more severe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mnblrmkr: &#8220;In my experience, the ones that complain that someone ELSE wasn&#8217;t &#8220;balls-out courageous&#8221; are usually the first ones to piss their pants and flee in those circumstances.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, please note that I was careful to say: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what I would have done. I hope I would have got stuck in and damn the consequences&#8230;&#8221; I hope I would not have to think twice about it. But until I&#8217;m there and handling the adrenaline dump in that situation, I&#8217;m not going to wave my hands about how what I would have done. </p>
<p>Bobby_b: &#8220;Not to make fun of you, teucer, for saying that it&#8217;s just that we always looked at the philosophy underlying that sentiment&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I take your point. And I&#8217;m not wild about it either. But even back in the day (whenever that was), I would imagine that not everyone was willing to go in two fisted. I don&#8217;t choose to condemn the guy for his actions as I am not him, and I wasn&#8217;t there. </p>
<p>Furthermore, like any other situation when survival might depend on your decision-making, there&#8217;s something to be said for making an assessment of the situation, then making a decision. Not thinking is what leads to multiple drownings when brave-but-doomed rescuers leap into fast-flowing rivers without first considering their actions.</p>
<p>Also, back in the day, men weren&#8217;t shot dead in crowded buses for asking noisy youngsters to please quieten down. In a world where violent people are willing to use guns without provocation, you&#8217;re making a potential life-and-death decision any time you choose to get directly involved. The potential consequences seem to have a greater probability of being that much more severe.</p>
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		<title>By: joecunni</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/11078#comment-115835</link>
		<dc:creator>joecunni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;There&#039;s just a huge cultural disconnect we&#039;re not going to bridge here, that has to do (from my vantage point) with what kind of behaviour we expect (and will accept) from other people, and how we, personally, individually, need to function as affirmative forces in society and not merely as good witnesses and comforters.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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  - Captain Solo&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There&#8217;s just a huge cultural disconnect we&#8217;re not going to bridge here, that has to do (from my vantage point) with what kind of behaviour we expect (and will accept) from other people, and how we, personally, individually, need to function as affirmative forces in society and not merely as good witnesses and comforters.</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.&#8221;</p>
<p>  &#8211; Captain Solo</p>
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