Secrets of the City

It’s like dumping a bucket of water on the ground, then trying to put it all back in. You’d have to be crazy, or just kinda an asshole, or both…

Ah shit, the analogy police are coming to take me away. Again.

who does Prince think he is, Lars Ulrich?

Why doesn’t he just sue the entire internet? Huh? Sue the internets!!!111

For LIABLE. The ancient forms dictate that he should sue the internets for liable.

Libel.

Libel to what? Complete sentences, bud.

Bud: I know it’s “libel”, it’s just that Internet tradition dictates that people who threaten to sue other people on the Internet usually say they’re going to sue for “liable” because they confuse the two. See Idiots VS. Usenet, 1996.

Butt I arz a maggot!

Litigation from the same fellow who had his entire new album given away in Great Britain as in CD insert in the Sunday Daily Mail?

Well, darn it, make up your mind, Prinn’.

I should point out that the Sunday Daily Mail is actually called The Mail on Sunday, probably for an obvious reason.

My guess is that this litigation might be a a better source of income than giving music away.

so instead of go after the people actually infrindging on his copyrights – he is going after the places that those people upload their content too… he is getting rather shoddy legal advice…

When I read this, I tired putting myself in Prince’s shoes. Now my feet and ankles are really sore.

You do look good in high heels, though.

“Butt I arz a maggot!”

That’s what he said…

gurl needs to get ova herself, mmmmkay?

I knew he should now have let lawyers into the New Power Generation as soon as Paisley Park was renamed to Rogers, Nelson, Clarcke and Paisley Park Associates.

This guy does not understand Globalization on an economic scale. When you share your expressions and ideas in public, it’s going to be exposed worldwide. Suing YouTube or Ebay is not going to solve the problem; the internet itself is a international network under a neutral doctrine, which means that no one can own the world wide web for their own gain.

Yet. to argue over the issue of copyright material in the new digital movement is becoming rather obsolete since media industries in the United States are falling backwards in a competitive world market, and therefore technology is becoming more rampant in society such as the ipod, internet radio, and computers playing CD music. Besides, what will be more fun than pissing off more countries since the United States thinks that they are the center of everything in society?

He’s doing this the right way, sad to say. Globalization and theft aren’t the same thing. “Putting it out over the internet” is a nice way of saying “I unlocked their house and put up a “TV inside!” sign as I left.”

Claiming that U-Tube can’t change this is BS – like P said, they get kiddie porn off within minutes. they respond to the new DMCA Notice and Takedown Requests quickly – the real point is, the entire concept of U-Tube, like the entire concept of Napster, is predicated on the present ease and safety of mass IP theft, and for U-Tube to fall into line would gut their growing spread. They’re simply going to “negotiate” the terms under which they’ll dominate the market for the theft.

Look, the fact that technology is presently in a place where it’s easier to rip off intellectual property than it is to protect it doesn’t speak to the validity of the property rights involved. Personally, as a capitalist, I’m thrilled to see some of the people who have come out lately – people who are arguably role models for oodles of people – and screamed “that’s mine, dammit!”

“Claiming that U-Tube can’t change this is BS – like P said, they get kiddie porn off within minutes. they respond to the new DMCA Notice and Takedown Requests quickly – the real point is, the entire concept of U-Tube, like the entire concept of Napster, is predicated on the present ease and safety of mass IP theft, and for U-Tube to fall into line would gut their growing spread. They’re simply going to “negotiate” the terms under which they’ll dominate the market for the theft.”

Problem I see is that kiddie porn is, with no question, illegal. Regular porn, is probably clearly against their user agreements. Both of those are probably pretty easy to screen for and block form even being posted.

Not all of the other stuff posted has been done so illegally, even if it wasn’t your own clip. Some things are released under creative commons copyright, or other similar copyright schemes that allow such postings.

Considering those, and the concept of fair use, I think the onus has to remain on the copyright holder to police it.

As for utube and other sites, as I understand it, as long as they are responsive to demands from copyright holders to pull things when notified of copyright violations, they’re largely protected.

Thanks, Max, I think I do too.

whoops, not sure how THAT formatting got in there.

“Considering those, and the concept of fair use, I think the onus has to remain on the copyright holder to police it.“

U-Tube has in its possession (and in its lawyers possession) a list of names of artists/bands/performers/whatever who have NOT ceded any rights to their work. When U-Tube gets the full video of Let’s Go Crazy, there’s no information-lag, there’s no uncertainty – and yet they leave it up, and say “but it’s not all that clear!”

It IS all that clear.

You say kiddie porn is always illegal, so pulling it’s an easy quick call – well, so are the vids of Prince, and hundreds of other artists.

Like I said earlier, tech has bypassed enforcement, but that’s always a temporary lapse. There’s too much money at stake for the store to stay unlocked all night. Saying “the onus is on the copyright holder” is sort of like saying, as the kids swarm through the broken window at Best Buy to grab and run” the onus is on Best Buy to replace the window.”

Maybe I’m just stuck on word games, but I’d say the onus wouldn’t be on Best Buy, it’d be on the thieves. Best Buy, however, would serve itself better by getting that window fixed quickly, and by nailing and prosecuting the kids coming through.

U-Tubes were the vacuum tubes the Nazis used to travel underwater during WWII.

“U-Tubes were the vacuum tubes the Nazis used to travel underwater during WWII.“

Okay, I’ve given up trying to figure out a comeback to this one. It was just too good.

U-Tubes were real. Here’s the proof.

Argh – it’s getting stripped by the spam filter. Try clicking on the user name then typing utubes dot html to the URL. You’ll see he’s right about the vacuum tubes. And more.

We spamfiltered Lileks? Let me try:

Utubes.

Yep, there it is. Poor Submariner. What’s the point of being a Homo mermanus if you’re going to get knocked aroung by the Nazis?

“Poor Submariner. What’s the point of being a Homo mermanus if you’re going to get knocked aroung by the Nazis?“

I don’t think we’re supposed to call them that anymore.

“Poor Submariner. What’s the point of being a Homo mermanus if you’re going to get knocked aroung by the Nazis?”

Just as he was getting into the bondage scene, enter his flaming pal to ruin the whole evening. No wonder the spam filter blocked it…

How come the human torch is still burning after going through 25,000 feet of water? And why are all the signs in English, if it’s a Nazi U-tube? I have other questions.

“Like I said earlier, tech has bypassed enforcement, but that’s always a temporary lapse. There’s too much money at stake for the store to stay unlocked all night. Saying “the onus is on the copyright holder” is sort of like saying, as the kids swarm through the broken window at Best Buy to grab and run” the onus is on Best Buy to replace the window.”

Maybe I’m just stuck on word games, but I’d say the onus wouldn’t be on Best Buy, it’d be on the thieves. Best Buy, however, would serve itself better by getting that window fixed quickly, and by nailing and prosecuting the kids coming through.”

I don’t think this analogy really holds up.

Of course Best Buy should be trying to go after the people swarming through the windows. And Prince should be trying to nail the people posting his full videos if he hasn’t given copyright clearance.

But Prince suing Utube is probably more analogous to Best Buy suing MetTransit for running a bus line by their store that transports the people stealing from them.

DMCA provides utube and other internet sites a considerable amount of protection form copyright lawsuits.