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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-124125</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, two-plus months after this thread began, I&#039;ve been looking over MinnPost&#039;s roster of contributors, checking out the mugshots and text profiles that MinnPost is diplaying about them.&lt;br /&gt;
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My reaction: &quot;Post&quot; is short for &quot;Post-Menopausal&quot;. That&#039;s a mighty aged lineup of reporters and editors.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks more like a think-tank of elder-statesman journalists. Or a local journalists&#039; retiree&#039;s club.&lt;br /&gt;
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Obviously, they&#039;re drawing almost entirely from those who&#039;ve lost or relinquished their former jobs in local journalism, and who can afford to work for cheap, at least for a while, due to severance or retirement income.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s hard to envision this venture succeeding, given how it&#039;s being staffed. This may be a &quot;new media&quot; vehicle, but its reporters and editors clearly represent the oldest slice of &quot;old media&quot; in this market. That can&#039;t be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, two-plus months after this thread began, I&#8217;ve been looking over MinnPost&#8217;s roster of contributors, checking out the mugshots and text profiles that MinnPost is diplaying about them.</p>
<p>My reaction: &#8220;Post&#8221; is short for &#8220;Post-Menopausal&#8221;. That&#8217;s a mighty aged lineup of reporters and editors.</p>
<p>Looks more like a think-tank of elder-statesman journalists. Or a local journalists&#8217; retiree&#8217;s club.</p>
<p>Obviously, they&#8217;re drawing almost entirely from those who&#8217;ve lost or relinquished their former jobs in local journalism, and who can afford to work for cheap, at least for a while, due to severance or retirement income.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to envision this venture succeeding, given how it&#8217;s being staffed. This may be a &#8220;new media&#8221; vehicle, but its reporters and editors clearly represent the oldest slice of &#8220;old media&#8221; in this market. That can&#8217;t be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-108051</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That said, there is some lazyness in our local media. Newspapers depend too much on newswires like AP rather than do original reporting.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Bob: I&#039;m usually screaming about the lazy press in our town, but to respond to your comment, it&#039;s not lazy journalists that leads media companies to use AP and Reuter&#039;s, but lack of advertising revenue to support the news staff. Also, many media companies are publicly traded so the decisions of how news was reported in years past are that, past. &lt;br /&gt;
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Newspapers once held healthy profit margins and although the margins are still decent, they are unable to support the staffing they once did. As the industry consolidates so does the operation and &quot;templates&quot; and &quot;vendors&quot; replace &quot;custom&quot; and &quot;reporters.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Twin Cities has always supported a number of media outlets and ranks as one of the most news savvy cities in the country. I don&#039;t know how the Perry and Kramer ventures will shake out, but this town needs a good shake up. Some of the traditional media companies have not responded as quickly or as well as they could have to the impact that the internets has had so if these two new ventures get everyone to step up their game, I&#039;m all for it. &lt;br /&gt;
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It will be interesting to see how the reporting evolves from the seasoned journalists writing for both sites. If there is indeed an organic growth of the story, not only from the journalist writing, but from the community, the stories we see on these sites could be the ones we think are the most newsworthy or interesting and not the same ole&#039; same ole&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That said, there is some lazyness in our local media. Newspapers depend too much on newswires like AP rather than do original reporting.</em></p>
<p>Bob: I&#8217;m usually screaming about the lazy press in our town, but to respond to your comment, it&#8217;s not lazy journalists that leads media companies to use AP and Reuter&#8217;s, but lack of advertising revenue to support the news staff. Also, many media companies are publicly traded so the decisions of how news was reported in years past are that, past. </p>
<p>Newspapers once held healthy profit margins and although the margins are still decent, they are unable to support the staffing they once did. As the industry consolidates so does the operation and &#8220;templates&#8221; and &#8220;vendors&#8221; replace &#8220;custom&#8221; and &#8220;reporters.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Twin Cities has always supported a number of media outlets and ranks as one of the most news savvy cities in the country. I don&#8217;t know how the Perry and Kramer ventures will shake out, but this town needs a good shake up. Some of the traditional media companies have not responded as quickly or as well as they could have to the impact that the internets has had so if these two new ventures get everyone to step up their game, I&#8217;m all for it. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how the reporting evolves from the seasoned journalists writing for both sites. If there is indeed an organic growth of the story, not only from the journalist writing, but from the community, the stories we see on these sites could be the ones we think are the most newsworthy or interesting and not the same ole&#8217; same ole&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: miller</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-108039</link>
		<dc:creator>miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - Kramer signed Brady Averill. She&#039;s the &quot;super intern&quot; who ran the Star Tribune&#039;s Washington Bureau last year. Good move. You&#039;re not going to find many reporters her age, with her experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; Kramer signed Brady Averill. She&#8217;s the &#8220;super intern&#8221; who ran the Star Tribune&#8217;s Washington Bureau last year. Good move. You&#8217;re not going to find many reporters her age, with her experience.</p>
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		<title>By: jderusha</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-107997</link>
		<dc:creator>jderusha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kramer&#039;s been acknowledging today in all sorts of interviews that he needs to hire some young people.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kramer&#8217;s been acknowledging today in all sorts of interviews that he needs to hire some young people.</p>
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		<title>By: not from here</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-107996</link>
		<dc:creator>not from here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, wonder what new coverage these new Kramer and possibly Perry-led web sites will bring to the table. We do have a lot of publications here yet we&#039;ve lost small but key niche urban neighborhood and ethnic publications in St. Paul and Minneapolis over the past few years. Those papers were important to smaller communities, especially communities where folks don&#039;t have internet access. Those papers also did stories that didn&#039;t get into the dailies.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t see anyone picking up the slack for, say, Rice Street news since North End News folded. . . unless you count coverage of crimes and the Diva&#039;s nightclub follies as the only news out of Rice Street.&lt;br /&gt;
I agree with what Jason and bobby-b are saying. . . My gripe is too much of what passes for news on the blogs and in the dailies is the same old, same old, at least when it comes to St. Paul (where I live and am most familiar with what is going on). &lt;br /&gt;
By the way, will any of these new web ventures feature any new and young voices? The stable of Kramer&#039;s writers seems pretty white and middle aged to me (and I am middle aged and white myself) Just asking&lt;br /&gt;
PS-- and as to Pulse, repeat after me: Eddie Felien is a dolt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, wonder what new coverage these new Kramer and possibly Perry-led web sites will bring to the table. We do have a lot of publications here yet we&#8217;ve lost small but key niche urban neighborhood and ethnic publications in St. Paul and Minneapolis over the past few years. Those papers were important to smaller communities, especially communities where folks don&#8217;t have internet access. Those papers also did stories that didn&#8217;t get into the dailies.<br />
I don&#8217;t see anyone picking up the slack for, say, Rice Street news since North End News folded. . . unless you count coverage of crimes and the Diva&#8217;s nightclub follies as the only news out of Rice Street.<br />
I agree with what Jason and bobby-b are saying. . . My gripe is too much of what passes for news on the blogs and in the dailies is the same old, same old, at least when it comes to St. Paul (where I live and am most familiar with what is going on). <br />
By the way, will any of these new web ventures feature any new and young voices? The stable of Kramer&#8217;s writers seems pretty white and middle aged to me (and I am middle aged and white myself) Just asking<br />
PS&#8211; and as to Pulse, repeat after me: Eddie Felien is a dolt.</p>
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		<title>By: msparber</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-107994</link>
		<dc:creator>msparber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pulse didn&#039;t fall because of new media.</description>
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		<title>By: aeklund</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-107992</link>
		<dc:creator>aeklund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were some comments elsewhere about the technology concerns of the site, and I will just comment that the folks at Clockwork are in the Super Smart category, so I&#039;m going to assume the live site will be great. &lt;br /&gt;
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(Plus Chuck did their videos!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were some comments elsewhere about the technology concerns of the site, and I will just comment that the folks at Clockwork are in the Super Smart category, so I&#8217;m going to assume the live site will be great. </p>
<p>(Plus Chuck did their videos!)</p>
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		<title>By: jderusha</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-107986</link>
		<dc:creator>jderusha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which may mean they all have the same ideas as what equals news.&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why I wonder whether some of these new online efforts are going to bring anything NEW to the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which may mean they all have the same ideas as what equals news.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I wonder whether some of these new online efforts are going to bring anything NEW to the table.</p>
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		<title>By: justpbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>justpbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby, maybe that&#039;s because professional journalists/editors have some common ideas on what is newsworthy and what is not.  This professional consensus is not &quot;liberal bias,&quot; as conservatives requently claim, but rather the result of many different editors and reporters looking at a enormous stream of information at their disposal and making the call on what is worth coverage in their medium.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some stories will get heavier play than others, because of the different forms of media.  Red meat political stories, like the Gonzales resignation, will get bigger play on the political blogs and online media. Violent crime stories get more play on teevee, as it fits the &quot;live, at the scene&quot; format better than complex public policy or business news, which is best covered by the dead tree media.&lt;br /&gt;
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That said, there is some lazyness in our local media. Newspapers depend too much on newswires like AP rather than do original reporting. Teevee news depends on the morning headlines for too many of their stories. Very few radio stations in Minnesota do ANY original reporting of news.&lt;br /&gt;
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Many conservatives mistake &quot;news we would rather not acknowledge or admit may true&quot; to be liberal bias. I know some hard-core liberal types who fall into the same trap, certain that all news is filtered by White House censors. Both are equally wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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The news media can -- and often will -- screw up badly. Like our country, it eventually sorts things out and gets the facts right. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, maybe that&#8217;s because professional journalists/editors have some common ideas on what is newsworthy and what is not.  This professional consensus is not &#8220;liberal bias,&#8221; as conservatives requently claim, but rather the result of many different editors and reporters looking at a enormous stream of information at their disposal and making the call on what is worth coverage in their medium.</p>
<p>Some stories will get heavier play than others, because of the different forms of media.  Red meat political stories, like the Gonzales resignation, will get bigger play on the political blogs and online media. Violent crime stories get more play on teevee, as it fits the &#8220;live, at the scene&#8221; format better than complex public policy or business news, which is best covered by the dead tree media.</p>
<p>That said, there is some lazyness in our local media. Newspapers depend too much on newswires like AP rather than do original reporting. Teevee news depends on the morning headlines for too many of their stories. Very few radio stations in Minnesota do ANY original reporting of news.</p>
<p>Many conservatives mistake &#8220;news we would rather not acknowledge or admit may true&#8221; to be liberal bias. I know some hard-core liberal types who fall into the same trap, certain that all news is filtered by White House censors. Both are equally wrong.</p>
<p>The news media can &#8212; and often will &#8212; screw up badly. Like our country, it eventually sorts things out and gets the facts right. </p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10900#comment-107978</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m blown away by how much media we have in this town&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m blown away by how you see the exact same four front-page headlines (different wording, but same subject, I mean) on every daily, and the weeklies seem to hit the same theme each week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>I&#8217;m blown away by how much media we have in this town</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m blown away by how you see the exact same four front-page headlines (different wording, but same subject, I mean) on every daily, and the weeklies seem to hit the same theme each week.</p>
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