Secrets of the City

I think your you hope is to find one of those huge, soulless sports places with so many TVs that someone can get a few turned turned to most anything. Something like this should fit the bill: http://www.majorssportscafe.com/

You’re not going to find a decent bar around here with the satelite investment or the staff interest to watch west coast sports.

Joe Senser’s Grill & Bar is probably what you’re looking for.

*eyes roll*

you should watch USC football in California, USC graduate. This is Badger country.

Not to be mean, but get digital cable, dude…

USC – Best professional football team in california.

I’m more of an NFL fan (mostly due to a fantasy football addiciton), but here are a few options that I’m aware of that have a lot of screens and show a lot of NFL football in my experience, so they would be the best bet for Trojan games on Sat nights:

Major’s has about 6 or 7 locations
Joe Senser’s in Bloomington
Game Works in Block E downtown MPLS
Park Tavern in St. Louis Park

You also might want to contact the USC alum web site to see if there is an opportunity to create a Trojan football viewing group here in the TCs.

Also…what is it that Maz likes to say about MNSpeak being a bunch of sissies for not liking football because it’s analogous to war?

You remind me of a relative living in the SF bay area who never misses an opportunity to equate something occurring anywhere else with it’s ramifications and similarities to, and shortcomings of, anything in the SF bay area or Northern CA in general.

Evidently, to the great surprise of mnay of those of you who live/lived there, California is *not* the center of the universe.

Neither are the Twin Cities, but the difference seems to be we know and accept it and most of you Californians apparently do not.

Give it a few years and your college frat-boy sports allegiances will fade as real life priorities take over.

*eyes roll* indeed.

“You remind me of a relative living in the SF bay area who never misses an opportunity to equate something occurring anywhere else with it’s ramifications and similarities to, and shortcomings of, anything in the SF bay area or Northern CA in general.”

Where did rasputin do anything of the sort? All he did was say he was a USC fan, and was looking for a place to watch their games.

And believe it or not, there are people that have lived here for decades that remain fans of the sports teams of schools other than the U, Wisconsin or Iowa. And fraternities frequently have nothing to do with it.

what is it that Maz likes to say about MNSpeak being a bunch of sissies for not liking football because it’s analogous to war?

grote: “War is not the answer!”
me: “What’s the question?”

What I meant, grote, was that if someone is anti-war as an institution, then dollars to donuts they also will not like football.

Why? Because football is an aggressive, competitive activity with a winner and a loser, the same as war. The reasons most anti-war people give for opposing war is that 1) people get hurt (or die), 2) aggression is bad, 3) “can’t we just get along?” People who think this way don’t understand the purpose and necessity of war. These same people also don’t understand the purpose and necessity of football.

None of the anti-war people I’ve ever come across has ever said that Saddam was a good guy, so it’s not as if they disagreed with who we chose as an advsersary. It was the nature of war and its associated violence they opposed.

This does not mean, however, that all people who like football are in favor of war. I know many young ladies who love watching the game of football because of the men in tight pants. Maybe that’s your reason.

Wow, rasputin, you really brought out the douchebags with a simple little question. If it weren’t so pathetic, it might be sort of funny. Good luck finding a place to watch your team.

This does not mean, however, that all people who like football are in favor of war. I know many young ladies who love watching the game of football because of the men in tight pants. Maybe that’s your reason.

I’m a pacifist who, generally speaking, favors cooperation over competition. But I also really enjoy watching football. And I often like watching the cheerleaders, too.

This does not mean, however, that all people who like football are in favor of war. I know many young ladies who love watching the game of football because of the men in tight pants. Maybe that’s your reason.

I’m a pacifist who, generally speaking, favors cooperation over competition. But I also really enjoy watching football. And I often like watching the cheerleaders, too.

Douchebags indeed. It’s fucking entertainment. For French flims, be sure to check out the Edina theater.

Boy, it’s just becoming second nature for you to call people you disagree with fags, isn’t it, Maz? How wonderful.

Hey, grote brought it up. What do you want me to do, lie?

Heh. I feel myself becoming lighter in my loafers by the minute…

I’d like it if you didn’t think you were being cute and funny for mocking sexual orientation. I’d like it also if you would take responsibility for when you tell hateful jokes, rather than vaguely blame grote. Isn’t conservativism supposed to be about persona responsibility?

I think the Knight Cap in Northeast has a very fine selection of NFL football games on Sunday, so the owner might do college games on Saturday. And actually, Rasputin, if you investigate and find out that’s true, please feel free to let me know on my blog, as I and my friends will join you to watch Nebraska and Michigan games.

It seems like a prettly large logical leap to equate a person’s football passion with their feelings about the legitimacy of a country going to war (I won’t even touch their sexual orientation, which seems based out of pure prejudice rather than any fact). I have to think it’s a little more complicated than that. Especially as the whole rest of the world (and some of us here in the States) also watch soccer, and if you apply the same broad generalizations about football to soccer and therefore to a propensity for war, I think you’d find that while most other countries are absolutely nuts for soccer, it’s the U.S. who is at war right now.

but the difference seems to be we know and accept it and most of you Californians apparently do not.

Comin’ down on a little hard on an alumni looking to watch a little football aren’t you?

I don’t find much similarity between football and war. The latter tragic, the former is boring. But they both have coach telling them to get out there and fight. If you come back alive there’s glory in it for you, if not, well, we’ll remember you on Memorial Day.

If some guy wants to watch for the guys in tight, what of it, Maz?

Especially as the whole rest of the world (and some of us here in the States) also watch soccer

Where in U.S. sports do you find the same fierce nationalism (often spilling into violence and hooliganism) that you find in soccer around the world? If the same loyalty shown by an Italian or Brazilain was shown by an American many people would accuse them of criminal jingoism.

Troll alert, this thread.

Woop woop woop!

Go to your Tupperware Party, Troll detector, if pointed opinion gives you the vapors.

That “troll” shit gets old,

True, Rat. Buth they are cracking down on that.

and I ken spel, to.

“Where in U.S. sports do you find the same fierce nationalism (often spilling into violence and hooliganism) that you find in soccer around the world? If the same loyalty shown by an Italian or Brazilain was shown by an American many people would accuse them of criminal jingoism.”

Dinky Town after a gopher hockey championship? Any Friggin’ city in the US after a professional sports championship?

OK, true, you limited yourself to “nationalism,” but we still get the same violence and hooliganism.

And I’ve actually been under the impression that much of that soccer hooliganism is just that: hooliganism.

“Because football is an aggressive, competitive activity with a winner and a loser, the same as war”

Not always. Often the there isn’t a clear winner, or the supposed conclusion is not clear cut.

WWI, Vietnam, and our current endeavor in Iraq are examples of wars that while they may have technically had “Winners” and “losers”, the reality is that everyone lost.

OK, true, you limited yourself to “nationalism,”

That was my point. Americans expressing the same national loyalty in a similar situtation seem to get criticized for the same thing the Brazilians and Italians can get away with at events like the World Cup.

I was pointing out what I see as a bit of a double standard.

Oh, and I don’t think I’d begrudge anyone cheering their favorite college team.

Except maybe IU.

Sometimes a football game is just a football game, folks…now I’m rolling my eyes…

wasn’t an espn-zone supposed to be coming to block e? as bad as block e sucks (and espn for that matter) it is a pain in the arse if you wanna watch anything other than the vikings.

It’s funny to see the gay stuff in this thread — the only group I can think of that’s more homosexually repressed (and racist) than football fans is the republican party.

Maybe you can give us some examples for how you arrived at such a sweeping assertion.

I’d like it if you didn’t think you were being cute and funny for mocking sexual orientation. I’d like it also if you would take responsibility for when you tell hateful jokes, rather than vaguely blame grote.

What are you talking about? There was nothing hateful in my words. Besides, why should homosexuals be immune from attack and ridicule? What makes them so special? Every person on this site has been a member of a group that has received scorn and ridicule from somebody. Why should gay people get to avoid such slings and arrows? Are they not man enough to take it? er, bad question perhaps.

How’s that?

Are they not man enough to take it? er, bad question perhaps.

You’re engaging in some very revealing behavior today, Maz.

maz was a tight end before entering the Navy…after serving on the sub he became a wide receiver.

Maz: Taxes bad, democrats bad, war good, football good, ayn rand good, regulating public health bad, alcohol bad, homosexuals funny.

Did I miss anything?

Oh yeah: Redheads good. At least we can agree on that.

Maybe you can give us some examples for how you arrived at such a sweeping assertion.

Try working in the bar of a popular chain restaurant for 3 1/2 years and you’ll learn plenty. Groups of young, drunk men engaged in such close bonding they’re a jag shot or two away from an orgy.

I’m sure there are a few former waitrons on here? Anyone remember the stories about “Big Huey”? He was sort of legendary for a while in just how blatantly he’d hit on male bartenders, all the while talking about how much he loved his wife. We actually had a pool going as to how long it would take him to leave his wife, but last I heard (and this was at least three or four years ago) she was pregnant. Maybe he’s still around.

Max to Maz: “I’d like it also if you would take responsibility for when you tell hateful jokes, rather than vaguely blame grote.“

(Reaction to Maz’s “tight pants” comment – took about 90 minutes.)

just saying, to all: “the only group I can think of that’s more homosexually repressed (and racist) than football fans is the republican party.“

(Been about 90 minutes. Max should be here pretty quickly.)

(Right?)

Personally I always hated football. Could never understand the social dynamic that made it so popular, and made people buy the jerseys. Very sycophantic. Nor could I understand why anyone would want to participate in it if they werent at a skill posotion where they could touch the ball.

Baseball is the worlds greatest sport.

“Baseball is the worlds greatest sport.“

It was a close race between baseball and jacks, but, in the end, the breaks taken in a game of jacks weren’t convenient for the TV commercials.

“Why? Because football is an aggressive, competitive activity with a winner and a loser, the same as war. The reasons most anti-war people give for opposing war is that 1) people get hurt (or die), 2) aggression is bad, 3) “can’t we just get along?” People who think this way don’t understand the purpose and necessity of war. These same people also don’t understand the purpose and necessity of football.”

“These people” also understand that there is a difference between athletes voluntarily stepping onto an athletic field, court, or area and competing, fully aware of the inherent risks of athletic competition, and the deaths of civilians in wars they have little or no control over.

“Nor could I understand why anyone would want to participate in it if they werent at a skill posotion where they could touch the ball.”

The spotlight isn’t important to everyone. Some of actually prefer to work in the trenches, building the foundations.

And the people that count, know. The good quarterback KNOWS his ass is going to get planted every play, no matter how strong and accurate his arm is, the good running back KNOWS he’s not going to get an inch, no matter how fast and agile he is, without his linemen.

Personally I always hated football. Could never understand the social dynamic that made it so popular,

Football teams are surrogate armies. When iowa beats minnesota in football, it enables the iowegians to believe, even if just for a saturday afternoon, that Iowa … its people, its culture, its way of life is superior to minnesota’s. It would be no different to their psyche than if Iowa had an actual army that defeated an actual army from minnesota on the battlefield.

This is very primordial, people.

Why do you think the sports leagues have teams representing cities and are not known simply as the Packers or the Vikings, but the GREEN BAY Packers and the MINNESOTA Vikings.

Sports psychologists know that people will adopt a local team that represents their city, provided it’s seen as tough enough and the team name and colors warrant respect and assuming the combatants are worthy to represent their home city.

George Patton said, “american’s love a fight, american’s love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.” Football, with its objective to take enemy territory and its terminology (offense, defense, ground attack, air attack, blitz, etc.) is the more perfect parallel to real war than other sports.

So does football benefit society or is basically neutral?

I think one sport has a benefit to society: Professional Wrestling. It’s a staged exhibition, everyone knows it’s a staged exhibition and everyone plays along. Two thousand years ago, profesional wrestling fans went to The Colosseum.

I’m predicting that in about 10 years, professonal wrestling and professional football will look much the same. It’s starting already. After a guy scores a touchdown, he calls in on his cell phone, Randy Moss, need we say more? It’s personalities, it’s trash talk, it’s the whole culture.

So does football benefit society or is basically neutral?

Football benefits society by serving as an outlet for the people’s natural inclination to wage war. If it weren’t for football people would be declaring war on the next city and invading them with flaming arrows. Instead, they watch as their surrogates throw footballs (that represent an army’s position on the battlefield) into the end zone (which represents the king’s castle) which is caught for a touchdown. The coup de grace, the spiking of the football in the end zone, symbolizes the beheading of the opposing king, btw.

“So does football benefit society or is basically neutral?“

Huge benefit. It gets kids interested in physical conditioning at an early age. It gets kids playing physically-demanding and mentally-demanding sports, which is a tremendous way to instill discipline, which really just means anti-laziness. It teaches kids how to be a member of a team instead of merely an individual performer – that an effort made by a group that explicitly recognizes role differentiation and leadership structure can accomplish more than the sum of its individuals can accomplish – that the ability to put aside your own ego and serve the group can be satisfying and productive. It teaches kids that effort and work don’t guarantee success, but that they are minimum requirements for getting there. It gives kids a chance to succeed and do well and be proud, all based on their own efforts and accomplishments. It teaches the use of very physical aggressionwhile it instills the pure physical strength and bulk and conditioning required for that aggression, and in doing so, gives a kid the self-confidence in his abilities that makes it possible for him to not have to use that physical aggression off the field.

Just like most any physical team sport, I imagine. The non-physical team sports – baseball, chess, High School Bowl, etc. – are good, too, but for other reasons.

bobby b:

just saying, to all: “the only group I can think of that’s more homosexually repressed (and racist) than football fans is the republican party.”

(Been about 90 minutes. Max should be here pretty quickly.)

(Right?)

I, too am still waiting for Max. Or for just sayin’ to drop his or her anonymity and tell us why football fans are racist.

Men with small penises LOVE to watch men with bigger ones grapple with each other.

They vicariously live out their pent up repressed sexual fantasies through the voyeuristic prism of their flat screen t.v.’s.

It’s a fact of life.

Huge benefit.

Can you, in good conscience, take a child to a pro football game and have him witness what goes on, most importantly off the field?

It gets kids interested in physical conditioning at an early age

Do you think football is alone in that regard? I’d say sports like boxing would be as good, because it doesn’t have weight restrictions for participation.

The non-physical team sports – baseball, chess, High School Bowl, etc. – are good, too, but for other reasons.

Reasons? There are other physically demanding sports besides football.

“Can you, in good conscience, take a child to a pro football game and have him witness what goes on, most importantly off the field?“

Have done so, quite a few times. What “goes on” off the field at those games? Never have seen anything that seemed like I didn’t want a kid to see it. Or do you mean, off the field in public between games, in Randy Moss’s car and head? Then, I get to give the kids the “this is what happens when you let yourself think you’re more important than you really are” speech, which is useful, too. Mostly, though, I like to keep the kids interested in non-pro sports. (Late thought just before sending – did you mean the almost-naked cheerleaders? Kids think that’s stupid. The drunks in the crowd? Good lesson, kids – that’s what dumb people act like when they drink too much.)

“Do you think football is alone in that regard?“

Nope. For kids, I’m a big fan of most physically-conditioning sports. I do like kids to get both team and individual sport experience, though.

“Reasons? There are other physically demanding sports besides football. “

Mostly, that was a throw-away insult on baseball, which just never appealed to me, that’s all. (Stand for 60 seconds, tense, hear “ball!”, relax, rinse, repeat.) Agree that many other sports are good. These days, I’m a lacrosse fanatic. Or, at least, my son has ordered me to become one.

“Men with small penises LOVE to watch men with bigger ones grapple with each other.“

You know, I get real tired of the intentionally hurtful and homophobic, “you’re a fucking queer if you do X” kind of comments like this. Can anyone do something about these obvious trolls who see personal differences as nothing more than a source of obscene ridicule?

Oh fer chrissake, people. It was a gorgeous day out today and y’all are in here arguing about football. Dude asked a simple question. SRSLY.

In addition to the bars already mentioned, I’d also suggest NBA City. Also, I second the alumni club suggestion.

Can anyone do something about these obvious trolls who see personal differences as nothing more than a source of obscene ridicule?

I can ask them to try and behave like grownups.

I’m glad to see I touched a nerve bobby_b.

(Albeit a very small one.)

hahahaha

pitiful, people! what a bunch of elitist pricks!
Really unbelieveable.

“I’m glad to see I touched a nerve bobby_b.

(Albeit a very small one.)“

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(Small coffee spray out of nose.)

Good one.

Hey, I’m also a recent USC transplant– please tell me you found somewhere! I’ll join you for a game.

Seriously! Where are you going to watch the USC game? I am not a graduate (went to play play ball somewhere else) but family has had season tickets since 1990 or so.

Looking to hang with other people that cheer for the Men of Troy…