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		<title>By: News Watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-102113</link>
		<dc:creator>News Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m saying that as time goes on, wolves will don sheep&#039;s clothing, pretending to be honest citizens, while serving some other master. The media is ALREADY full of these people, in the various &quot;think tanks&quot;. . . &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the idea behind what MPR&#039;s attempting to do, but I too share some of this concern that Patrick&#039;s expressed. And I agree that it&#039;s already a plenty-big problem in the way news outlets currently rely on sources and favorite subject-matter experts. (Example: On &quot;The News Hour With Jim Lehrer&quot;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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But, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s enough of a reason for MPR to not want to try doing this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Instead, MPR should try to put in place some measures to safeguard those with selfish agendas from exerting undo influence in the news-reporting process. Like urging particpants to engage in full disclosure up front about conflicts-of-interest that they may have. And encouraging other participants who see signs of conflicts-in-interest in other participants to call that to MPR&#039;s attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I&#8217;m saying that as time goes on, wolves will don sheep&#8217;s clothing, pretending to be honest citizens, while serving some other master. The media is ALREADY full of these people, in the various &#8220;think tanks&#8221;. . . </em></p>
<p>I like the idea behind what MPR&#8217;s attempting to do, but I too share some of this concern that Patrick&#8217;s expressed. And I agree that it&#8217;s already a plenty-big problem in the way news outlets currently rely on sources and favorite subject-matter experts. (Example: On &#8220;The News Hour With Jim Lehrer&#8221;.)</p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s enough of a reason for MPR to not want to try doing this.</p>
<p>Instead, MPR should try to put in place some measures to safeguard those with selfish agendas from exerting undo influence in the news-reporting process. Like urging particpants to engage in full disclosure up front about conflicts-of-interest that they may have. And encouraging other participants who see signs of conflicts-in-interest in other participants to call that to MPR&#8217;s attention.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-102122</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;There are many times that I&#039;m working on a story on real estate-- and need to find a realtor to interview. Sometimes it&#039;s easy, sometimes not. It&#039;d be nice to have a local realtor-- of different demographic make-ups-- ready to go.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to be clear, J, my cynicism didn&#039;t stem from the concept of citizen journos - it&#039;s directed at the idea that a mix of MPRites would offer a non-monolithic slant.  Cat spelled it out nicely - different viewpoints in those circumstances are &quot;noise&quot;, better not even heard. When you say you&#039;d like to be able to find sources as you need them, &lt;u&gt;of different demographic makeups&lt;/u&gt;, you&#039;re hitting the key point that makes it sound worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>There are many times that I&#8217;m working on a story on real estate&#8211; and need to find a realtor to interview. Sometimes it&#8217;s easy, sometimes not. It&#8217;d be nice to have a local realtor&#8211; of different demographic make-ups&#8211; ready to go.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>Just to be clear, J, my cynicism didn&#8217;t stem from the concept of citizen journos &#8211; it&#8217;s directed at the idea that a mix of MPRites would offer a non-monolithic slant.  Cat spelled it out nicely &#8211; different viewpoints in those circumstances are &#8220;noise&#8221;, better not even heard. When you say you&#8217;d like to be able to find sources as you need them, <u>of different demographic makeups</u>, you&#8217;re hitting the key point that makes it sound worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Daniels</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-102110</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justbob, I believe every word you say, and wish you all good luck with the MPR thing. I don&#039;t have a bit of problem with honest citizens, who have every right to participate in the news process. Nobody needs a license to be a journalist, nor should they. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m saying that as time goes on, wolves will don sheep&#039;s clothing, pretending to be honest citizens, while serving some other master. The media is ALREADY full of these people, in the various &quot;think tanks&quot; which are nothing more than propaganda mills financed by people with too much money who want to keep it that way.&lt;br /&gt;
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Cheers!&lt;br /&gt;
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PD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justbob, I believe every word you say, and wish you all good luck with the MPR thing. I don&#8217;t have a bit of problem with honest citizens, who have every right to participate in the news process. Nobody needs a license to be a journalist, nor should they. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying that as time goes on, wolves will don sheep&#8217;s clothing, pretending to be honest citizens, while serving some other master. The media is ALREADY full of these people, in the various &#8220;think tanks&#8221; which are nothing more than propaganda mills financed by people with too much money who want to keep it that way.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>PD</p>
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		<title>By: justpbob</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-101902</link>
		<dc:creator>justpbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a nonprofit &quot;hack with an agenda,&quot; Pat, and I&#039;m not posing as anything other than who I am.  I&#039;m proud of my organization and its work, but that&#039;s not what I&#039;m doing with MPR. They know full well who I am, and where I work, as do most on this forum (it&#039;s the American Lung Association of Minnesota, newbies).&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m also a citizen. My opinions and perspective on Iraq, the bridge collapse, the Republican convention, the economy, etc have nothing to do with my role at ALAMN.&lt;br /&gt;
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BTW: I&#039;m also a former editor with a degree in broadcasting who has been working with media, both new and old, for 25 years. I love radio, and MPR has given me a chance to get back in the game, while I keep my day job. For me, and others in the project, it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a nonprofit &#8220;hack with an agenda,&#8221; Pat, and I&#8217;m not posing as anything other than who I am.  I&#8217;m proud of my organization and its work, but that&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m doing with MPR. They know full well who I am, and where I work, as do most on this forum (it&#8217;s the American Lung Association of Minnesota, newbies).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a citizen. My opinions and perspective on Iraq, the bridge collapse, the Republican convention, the economy, etc have nothing to do with my role at ALAMN.</p>
<p>BTW: I&#8217;m also a former editor with a degree in broadcasting who has been working with media, both new and old, for 25 years. I love radio, and MPR has given me a chance to get back in the game, while I keep my day job. For me, and others in the project, it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Daniels</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-101621</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 05:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, look, open source reporting SOUNDS groovy. But here we live in a nation where Joe and Jane America don&#039;t have time to fix their own hamburgers, and they&#039;re going to devote hours to reporting for no pay?&lt;br /&gt;
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And that&#039;s not the worst problem. When it comes to the wiki-ing of news, it will soon become apparent that the people most interested in &quot;contributing&quot; are those with an agenda. For example, a political hack posing as a citizen. A corporate hack ditto. Other motives that come to mind include revenge and general troublemaking.&lt;br /&gt;
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All that the MPR and BBC thing amount to really is, as someone has so nicely said, a gigantic expanding of the Rolodex. Ok, that&#039;s good, but it ain&#039;t a revolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, look, open source reporting SOUNDS groovy. But here we live in a nation where Joe and Jane America don&#8217;t have time to fix their own hamburgers, and they&#8217;re going to devote hours to reporting for no pay?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not the worst problem. When it comes to the wiki-ing of news, it will soon become apparent that the people most interested in &#8220;contributing&#8221; are those with an agenda. For example, a political hack posing as a citizen. A corporate hack ditto. Other motives that come to mind include revenge and general troublemaking.</p>
<p>All that the MPR and BBC thing amount to really is, as someone has so nicely said, a gigantic expanding of the Rolodex. Ok, that&#8217;s good, but it ain&#8217;t a revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-101434</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;so that finally any joe shmo will run for office, replacing career politicians.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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With amateur politicians. &lt;br /&gt;
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See: Keith Ellison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>so that finally any joe shmo will run for office, replacing career politicians.</em></p>
<p>With amateur politicians. </p>
<p>See: Keith Ellison.</p>
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		<title>By: ranty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-101385</link>
		<dc:creator>ranty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to channel 5, all kids have been retrieved from the bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to channel 5, all kids have been retrieved from the bus.</p>
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		<title>By: ranty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-101376</link>
		<dc:creator>ranty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband was coming back from the Univ. area and stopped in Seward neighborhood.  He said the whole place is without power and he could see smoke and flames from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband was coming back from the Univ. area and stopped in Seward neighborhood.  He said the whole place is without power and he could see smoke and flames from there.</p>
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		<title>By: amber</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-101373</link>
		<dc:creator>amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1338294.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;least &lt;/a&gt;eight cars and a truck, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At <a href="http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1338294.html" target="_blank">least </a>eight cars and a truck, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ranty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10769#comment-101369</link>
		<dc:creator>ranty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School bus on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School bus on it.</p>
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