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		<title>By: raspberry3</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10653#comment-141654</link>
		<dc:creator>raspberry3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it has been seven months now and the condo has still not sold. I think it is overpriced, and the original owner paid too much for the unit in 2002. He paid 265k in 2002 and is listed for 279k, in terms of square foot, it comes out to be $273/sq foot. Why would anyone buy an older condo, when units in Bridgewater and other places are going for 220 to 230/square foot. And if you look at some of the foreclosures, they are going for $170/sq foot. I think unless you cut the price by a steep amount, no one will bite. &lt;br /&gt;
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My best guess for the value of the condo is $175k. It is based on the fact that real estate in Minneapolis has appreciated at a 4 percent rate from 1989 to 2000, based on Case Shiller Index. We will revert to that long term mean, and w need a 15% decline in house prices to get to that average. If you look at 45 Island Avenue, that sold for 68k in 1985 and apply a 4% appreciation, we end up with 172k. I am sure the original poster would be upside down, but this is the harsh reality of the real estate bubble that took things out of whack. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it has been seven months now and the condo has still not sold. I think it is overpriced, and the original owner paid too much for the unit in 2002. He paid 265k in 2002 and is listed for 279k, in terms of square foot, it comes out to be $273/sq foot. Why would anyone buy an older condo, when units in Bridgewater and other places are going for 220 to 230/square foot. And if you look at some of the foreclosures, they are going for $170/sq foot. I think unless you cut the price by a steep amount, no one will bite. </p>
<p>My best guess for the value of the condo is $175k. It is based on the fact that real estate in Minneapolis has appreciated at a 4 percent rate from 1989 to 2000, based on Case Shiller Index. We will revert to that long term mean, and w need a 15% decline in house prices to get to that average. If you look at 45 Island Avenue, that sold for 68k in 1985 and apply a 4% appreciation, we end up with 172k. I am sure the original poster would be upside down, but this is the harsh reality of the real estate bubble that took things out of whack.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10653#comment-96723</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drove by that building as recently as 3 weeks ago, and let me tell you, living on the island would kick ass!  It&#039;s friggin&#039; gorgeous, so close to the Falls you can spit on the new NE Lunds &amp; Nye&#039;s, and it&#039;s amazingly tranquil.&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that 2 bedrooms fro 300K would be more palatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also agree that people are waiting for a screaming deal.  There is such a herd mentality in residential real estate, and right now the herd is shy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Personally, I&#039;ve watched a house in my neighborhood drop from 210 to 170 over the past 4 months, and I&#039;m looking at it Friday.  Nothing that size has sold around me for 170 in the last 4 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drove by that building as recently as 3 weeks ago, and let me tell you, living on the island would kick ass!  It&#8217;s friggin&#8217; gorgeous, so close to the Falls you can spit on the new NE Lunds &#038; Nye&#8217;s, and it&#8217;s amazingly tranquil.</p>
<p>I agree that 2 bedrooms fro 300K would be more palatable.</p>
<p>I also agree that people are waiting for a screaming deal.  There is such a herd mentality in residential real estate, and right now the herd is shy.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve watched a house in my neighborhood drop from 210 to 170 over the past 4 months, and I&#8217;m looking at it Friday.  Nothing that size has sold around me for 170 in the last 4 years.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10653#comment-96642</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;You can always pretty them up a bit in Photoshop.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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If you can shop that pic of Mandy Moore into the bedroom views, I&#039;m thinking maybe $350,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>You can always pretty them up a bit in Photoshop.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>If you can shop that pic of Mandy Moore into the bedroom views, I&#8217;m thinking maybe $350,000.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;Good suggestion about the photos - I&#039;ll definitely take some new ones.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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As the main point of info to possible buyers when pressure-marketing a $300,000 asset?&lt;br /&gt;
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No.  Pay a professional to do the pics.  You&#039;ll probably pay an agent thousands, and good pics do as much, if not more, than an agent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Good suggestion about the photos &#8211; I&#8217;ll definitely take some new ones.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>As the main point of info to possible buyers when pressure-marketing a $300,000 asset?</p>
<p>No.  Pay a professional to do the pics.  You&#8217;ll probably pay an agent thousands, and good pics do as much, if not more, than an agent.</p>
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		<title>By: teucer</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10653#comment-96633</link>
		<dc:creator>teucer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always pretty them up a bit in Photoshop. I don&#039;t mind doing some for ya. Higher resolution is better. &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://photobucket.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/transblucency/fixed.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always pretty them up a bit in Photoshop. I don&#8217;t mind doing some for ya. Higher resolution is better. </p>
<p><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/transblucency/fixed.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"/></a></p>
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		<title>By: SamB</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good suggestion about the photos - I&#039;ll definitely take some new ones. (The first time around, we made the mistake of taking them when there was the most natural light in the condo, but because of all the windows, it made the room look dark and the windows blinding.) It&#039;s actually a very attractive building, inside and out, and the exterior paint job is only a couple of years old. I can&#039;t do much about the tile counters (which I actually love, but I know some disagree,) but the appliances are almost all new in the last five years. I know stainless steel is the fad right now, but honestly, it would&#039;ve looked ridiculous in this unit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions, and Tuck, by all means, come by for the open house this Sunday, 1-3pm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good suggestion about the photos &#8211; I&#8217;ll definitely take some new ones. (The first time around, we made the mistake of taking them when there was the most natural light in the condo, but because of all the windows, it made the room look dark and the windows blinding.) It&#8217;s actually a very attractive building, inside and out, and the exterior paint job is only a couple of years old. I can&#8217;t do much about the tile counters (which I actually love, but I know some disagree,) but the appliances are almost all new in the last five years. I know stainless steel is the fad right now, but honestly, it would&#8217;ve looked ridiculous in this unit.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions, and Tuck, by all means, come by for the open house this Sunday, 1-3pm.</p>
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		<title>By: alexis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, definitely retake the photos with less clutter.  I helped my sister sell her house and we cleared 30-40% of the furniture and what-not from each room before photographing them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I really like the &quot;want this view?&quot; sign idea, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, definitely retake the photos with less clutter.  I helped my sister sell her house and we cleared 30-40% of the furniture and what-not from each room before photographing them.</p>
<p>I really like the &#8220;want this view?&#8221; sign idea, too.</p>
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		<title>By: ranty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10653#comment-96618</link>
		<dc:creator>ranty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing that those interior pics don&#039;t do your unit justice, Sam.  They&#039;re awefully dark.  Did you or your realtor take them?  You might ask for a professional photographer (with lighting) and an online photo tour.  Lots of agents will provide that, even though they don&#039;t typically offer it up right away since it comes out of their own pocket.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, look at some staging books and videos.  (There are several clips on youtube.)  Your stuff is nice but there&#039;s a bit too much of it in the photos, particularly that one wall with several hangings.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hope that helps, and good luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing that those interior pics don&#8217;t do your unit justice, Sam.  They&#8217;re awefully dark.  Did you or your realtor take them?  You might ask for a professional photographer (with lighting) and an online photo tour.  Lots of agents will provide that, even though they don&#8217;t typically offer it up right away since it comes out of their own pocket.</p>
<p>Also, look at some staging books and videos.  (There are several clips on youtube.)  Your stuff is nice but there&#8217;s a bit too much of it in the photos, particularly that one wall with several hangings.</p>
<p>Hope that helps, and good luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: MunsingW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MunsingW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby, I&#039;ve seen those numbers before, and now can&#039;t for the life of me find them anywhere.  &lt;br /&gt;
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They&#039;re not terribly surprising, I don&#039;t think.  As I recollect, Minneapolis pays in slightly more than it gets back out, St. Paul takes in a fair amount more than it pays out.  The suburbs are a mixed bag; wealthy, established suburbs pay in significantly more than they get back, while poor struggling suburbs take in more.  Outstate is almost universally suckling at the teat of the metro area.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Trying to tie this in to our conversation yesterday, I&#039;d argue the difference between a Minnetonka and a Minneapolis is that the city of Minneapolis is broadly providing services for the entire metro area;  Minnetonka, not so much.  &lt;br /&gt;
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When a visitor from the suburbs (or outstate MN) comes into downtown Minneapolis, they use our roads, they rely on our police service, they take advantage of our support for the arts, etc.  In turn, their presence likely increases property values, which in turn should lead to increased property taxes, and they probably pay some sales tax.  The state takes a good portion of the property tax, and almost all of the sales tax.  &lt;br /&gt;
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In my mind, that&#039;s a pretty strong argument for stable and significant LGA funding.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, I&#8217;ve seen those numbers before, and now can&#8217;t for the life of me find them anywhere.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re not terribly surprising, I don&#8217;t think.  As I recollect, Minneapolis pays in slightly more than it gets back out, St. Paul takes in a fair amount more than it pays out.  The suburbs are a mixed bag; wealthy, established suburbs pay in significantly more than they get back, while poor struggling suburbs take in more.  Outstate is almost universally suckling at the teat of the metro area.  </p>
<p>Trying to tie this in to our conversation yesterday, I&#8217;d argue the difference between a Minnetonka and a Minneapolis is that the city of Minneapolis is broadly providing services for the entire metro area;  Minnetonka, not so much.  </p>
<p>When a visitor from the suburbs (or outstate MN) comes into downtown Minneapolis, they use our roads, they rely on our police service, they take advantage of our support for the arts, etc.  In turn, their presence likely increases property values, which in turn should lead to increased property taxes, and they probably pay some sales tax.  The state takes a good portion of the property tax, and almost all of the sales tax.  </p>
<p>In my mind, that&#8217;s a pretty strong argument for stable and significant LGA funding.  </p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10653#comment-96586</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;Don&#039;t forget the urban areas almost always pay more in taxes than they get back in services.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there a good source of stats on this issue?  I&#039;d be curious to know where the various spots that come into these discussions lie on that particular continuum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Don&#8217;t forget the urban areas almost always pay more in taxes than they get back in services.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>Is there a good source of stats on this issue?  I&#8217;d be curious to know where the various spots that come into these discussions lie on that particular continuum.</p>
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