Secrets of the City

Damn. It’s a good rag. I smell the Bartel Cartel behind this.

Kidding, guys.

I’m more concerned about Max and The Bottle Gang than I am about Pulse.

I remember that Spring when both rev105 and the Reader were shut down. The Reader was acquired by City Pages and then immediately killed off, right? So much for competition in a free market.

I could go for some media re-regulation.

“The Reader was acquired by City Pages and then immediately killed off, right? So much for competition in a free market.“

There was competition. The Reader lost.

I love the Pulse. It filled the radically leftist alt weekly void, now that CP started doing stories on hockey fights.

I hate the Pulse, except for Max.

It sucks to see the options limited though. I’d rather have ten more rags to hate then one less…

There was competition. The Reader lost.

… and with it went the competition. So Barry’s statement stands.

And it’s too bad about the Pulse. It was a pretty spotty paper despite Max’s fine contributions. I hope to see some of the staff writing elsewhere, especially Max.

So sad.
Now where will I go to find poorly written, knee-jerk Far Left, conspiracy-mongering, virulently anti-Israel (and borderline anti-Semitic), self-loathing screeds?
(in fairness, Pulse’s music and arts coverage was always excellent)
Sorry the music scene will lose such a good music section, but to the political writers (and editors) at Pulse I say “Feh!”
Good riddance! And come on, the political writing was often just plain embarrassingly atrocious, regardless of your particular views.
I’m actually someone who sympathizes with the Left on a great many domestic issues – but Christ, the Pulse’s editorial leaning was definitely “of course radical Muslims can bomb us, we DESERVE it”.

The Pulse is to stop? That’s too bad; I rather liked it. Even if you disagree with its editorial voices, it is still an alternative voice that impoverishes the city for losing it.

Anyone know of a job?

Dang. I will cherish my Vlog Santa issue forever.

10 years is a great run, especially since it probably didn’t make much money. Here’s hoping it’ll continue online – we still have room for something more lefty and more indie than City Pages.

I too am sorry about Pulse’s demise. Have enjoyed many of its articles. Good luck Ed, Max and everyone else!

“There was competition. The Reader lost.

… and with it went the competition. So Barry’s statement stands.“

I’m quibbling, I know, but it’s a hobby.

Competition generally has an end, and isn’t a continuing, static condition.

What you’re calling “competition” is really “choice.” “Choice” for alts disappeared. But a choice between two products that simply each continue on and on is hardly “competition.”

namelessjoe aka penislessbobby

the music coverage i’ve been doing in pulse will continue over at the pulse music blog, although it’ll be getting a name change within the next month. hopefully it’ll give me a chance to do even more, as i’ve just learned some nifty tricks, like how to post mp3s of interviews, which is what i just did with my interview with nick zammuto of the books, who are playing the walker friday.

and of course, max and i will be continuing to run the bottle gang in our usual drunken stupor.

I’ll keep my ears open for anything, max.

Sorry to hear this — especialy after you and the other Pulse writers were just honored for your public affairs reporting. I echo ranty’s rant about choices in local media being limited — never a good thing.

If anyone is up at 6:30 a.m. on Sunday, I’ll be on a Clear Channel radio public affairs program called “insight,” talking about a variety of issues, including the statewide smoking ban, an inner city asthma program and the ever popular E85.

Nooooooooo!

I love the Pulse!

):

Dang! Guess I’ll have to go back to lining the kitty box with the Strib…

First New Orleans, now Pulse…Max is leaving a trail of destruction in his wake.

Good thing my buddy didn’t take the editor job back in the day.

First New Orleans, now Pulse…Max is leaving a trail of destruction in his wake.

That’s why I always have my bug-out bag next to the bed.

This sucks–good luck to you, McP, as well as Max and Hallett and Rob Van Alstyne, etc…

Now where will I go to find poorly written, knee-jerk Far Left, conspiracy-mongering, virulently anti-Israel (and borderline anti-Semitic), self-loathing screeds?

The sad fact is this principled stance probably cost them advertising revenue. On the plus side, as long as Israel continues to starve the Palestinians, intermittently occupy and annihlate Lebanon, and treat our men and women in uniform as a proxy army, there will be more and more “anti-Semitic” publications to choose from.

I’m more concerned about Max and The Bottle Gang than I am about Pulse.

Same here. I suspect Max has this cat thing going on and thus he’ll land on his feet.

I never read Pulse.

It was the only thing left worth reading.

Vita.mn just has pretty pictures.

I just linked Bottle Gang to my blog, Max

Now all my friends will go there at least.

Let me know when you notice a spike in your blog stats.

Just kidding.

Thanks Christine! You know, you’re welcome to submit story ideas to Bottle Gang too, since Pulse didn’t work out.

Thanks, Max!

I miss Pulse already!

I hate to see this.

Max, take the Premack with you. And, give me a call.

Will do!

“The sad fact is this principled stance probably cost them advertising revenue. On the plus side, as long as Israel continues to starve the Palestinians, intermittently occupy and annihlate Lebanon, and treat our men and women in uniform as a proxy army, there will be more and more “anti-Semitic” publications to choose from. “

And thank gawd for that! Competition and choice are important, especially when trying to decide why to hate the Joos today!

In all fairness, linking anti-zionism with anitsemitism is a little too neat. I might not personally agree with some of the stuff Pulse has published about Israel, but I haven’t met a single antisemite at the paper.

This would seem to leave the field ripe for somebody’s new effort… Or maybe just more local interest pages in the Onion.

bobby…most people just hate me ’cause I’m pretty & cocky…when they find out I’m Jewish it’s just a hate-filled bonus.

“In all fairness, linking anti-zionism with anitsemitism is a little too neat. I might not personally agree with some of the stuff Pulse has published about Israel, but I haven’t met a single antisemite at the paper.“

First, yeah, you’re right about zionism v. being jewish.

Next, though: Not trying to be insulting, but it’s seeming to me as if you have varying standards on the -izm’s. You nicely make the Zionist/Jewish distinction here, meaning you recognize that someone can hate the act without hating everyone in the actor’s troupe, and yet the racism charge on the bus thread seemed to earn less of a critical deconstruction. (One possible explanation, of course, is that being more lenient and forgiving for slurs on your own groups is an honorable approach, but that still suggests a less-than-ideal rationale for your reaction to such situations involving groups to which you’re unconnected.

It’s sad that something like Vita.mn sucks up advertising dollars. There’s no editorial content to speak of, unless you count the canned music, movie and restaurant reviews that might as well come from Fodor’s or Lonely Planet. Seriously, do the people writing there even live in the Twin Cities?

But sadly it’s not just Pulse that is losing advertising dollars to crap like Vita.mn That rag isn’t even good bus reading. . .
In St. Paul alone we have lost five of our neighborhood newspapers in the past four years (Merriam Park Post, Riverview Times, Frogtown Times, District 1 News and North End News) with at least two more on the ropes. District 1 and the Post have become or are bomcing quarterly newsletters
Minneapolis has lost many small local papers as well, including the late great Whittier Globe
Say alll you want about news going to the web but I see few sustainable models

“Say alll you want about news going to the web but I see few sustainable models.“

The only sustainable model appears to be crafted after the ad-accepting blogs. Problem is, those blogs that make it have audiences not limited by geography – they’re national. A local rag looking for 500 readers south of Lake and East of Cedar isn’t going to be able to charge advertisers for chancy distribution like that, at least not enough of a charge to pay the bills.

Could be the tiny-paper-rag model is dead as a profit center, and is now and forevermore only really available as a labor of (expensive) love.

Actually, I agree that the charge of racism in the instance of the bus was nonsense. The statement that prompted my ire suggested that the charge of racism is what people turn to when they have no decent argument to make.

And I don’t fully differentiate between antisemitism and antizionism. I think there is a lot of overlap. I’m just saying that it’s not true of the Pulse staffers I have met.

“Actually, I agree that the charge of racism in the instance of the bus was nonsense. The statement that prompted my ire suggested that the charge of racism is what people turn to when they have no decent argument to make.“

Well, there IS Al Sharpton . . .

I don’t think the implication was that all charges of racism are simply the result of having no real argument – just that, some are. Which seems accurate to me.

The Pulse is reporting that “Par Ridder will stop stealing by within the month.”

“Now where will I go to find poorly written, knee-jerk Far Left, conspiracy-mongering, virulently anti-Israel (and borderline anti-Semitic), self-loathing screeds?

“The sad fact is this principled stance probably cost them advertising revenue. On the plus side, as long as Israel continues to starve the Palestinians, intermittently occupy and annihlate Lebanon, and treat our men and women in uniform as a proxy army, there will be more and more “anti-Semitic” publications to choose from.
»» Submitted by Tate at 9:54 AM on April 26″

Ahh, nothing like a little fresh Joooooooooooooo Hatin’ in the afternoon
Thanks Tate, oh, how do you *really* feel ?????

as for the Pulse, good riddance to bad rubbish.

I love jews, but really disagree with a lot of Israeli policy.

Then again, I disagree with a lot of American policy too.

Minneapolis is now ripe for something like this.

I disagree with American tax policy.

We wouldn’t need such high taxes if we didn’t piss all our money away on asinine wars.

I disagree with social security policy. I say screw y’all oldtimers who are actively fucking the next generation with a ridiculous debt load. We’ll need our money to pay that off, so you can use whatever you managed to save by consistantly screwing the future to live off of.

I know this is in the wrong place, but I see no general topic lately.

Why does the Blog Aggregator have only 10 blogs listed in it currently. It used to have a lot, or even more. Is the internet fizzling out?

p.s. Love the jews. It’s been the M.O. of significant pockets of the rest of the world to blame them for stuff all the time. see: History

They should have done a swimsuit issue.

Thanks for asking, spel chek. I was wondering the same thing. I miss the aggregator.

“I say screw y’all oldtimers who are actively fucking the next generation . . . “

C’mon, have you SEEN the women who are our age? Who do you EXPECT us to . . . . (Oops! No, dear. Sorry, dear. I was kidding, dear . . .)

You, and all of your generation, need to realize that people older than you had kids mostly so they could suck you dry of labor and value for their own benefit, and then discard you when they find that perfect condo in Florida. All those “we love you, dear”s, and those “we only want what’s best for you, Wayne”s were designed with one goal in mind: to keep you happy, and in school, and training for that high income career that would nicely supplement the SS payments and make for a really gracious retirement.

And, Wayne, it seems that that math thing ain’t gonna do it, so please work a bit harder and find something better soon. The condo pool assessment is going up again.

“as long as Israel continues to starve the Palestinians, intermittently occupy and annihlate Lebanon, and treat our men and women in uniform as a proxy army”

That’s not even “borderline” anti-Semitic…..accusing Israel of being the nefarious Jew-devil who “uses” Christian people to fight its wars is classic Jew-hatin’ rhetoric.
I call your bluff.

If you deny Jews the right to have a homeland (in the place where their history began) after the Holocaust and thousands of other persecutions, than you are an anti-Semite.
Plain and simple.

Hey, well, I love the print vita.mn for the bus ride home. That there is “no editorial content to speak of” is exactly why I read it — I just come here to get my fill of blowhards.

Oh, and um, I really really doubt vita.mn “took” any advertising dollars from Pulse.

off topic: I shook jderusha’s hand today at my daughters school/daycare. My celebrity moment of the year!

“They should have done a swimsuit issue.“

The Jews? I like the concept, but I don’t see how it could affect their overall rep.

I call natalie portman for the cover.

Hey, well, I love the print vita.mn for the bus ride home. That there is “no editorial content to speak of” is exactly why I read it — I just come here to get my fill of blowhards.

In that case, I also recommend trying bus schedules, stereo instructions, math textbooks and software licensing agreements.

I agree with Wayne on the social security policy. It’s basicly an illegal pyramid scheme that will result in Gen-X and Gen-Y paying huge taxes to support the promises social security makes.

What really irritates me is that as baby boomer’s age, they have the voting power to enact even more benefits. Medicare drug entitlements are just the beginning. Golf cart rental subsidies are probably not that far off.

How’d we get on this topic?

Hey, well, I love the print vita.mn for the bus ride home. That there is “no editorial content to speak of” is exactly why I read it

Yeah. If I wanted to read something written by all the Strib writers, I would just read the Strib. But I don’t.

“It’s basicly an illegal pyramid scheme that will result in Gen-X and Gen-Y paying huge taxes to support the promises social security makes.“

Yeah, ain’t it great?!

But, take heart – as the boomers age, and become feeble and forgetful, and get lost on the way to the polls, their voting power will drop away.

Hmm, I don’t think you can say the print vita.mn has no editorial content; depends on how you define that I guess. But Mark Mallman & Emily Condon do a unique movie column, Alexis has her sex column, there is content from users from the online version, ect. (as well as other articles not in the strib)

Oh well, just file vita.mn in with Diablo Cody under “things MNSpeak is too cool for.”

Nevermind Pulse, MNspeak seems to have died today. I rarely read it, or any of the Bartel Cartel’s print creations.

I call natalie portman for the cover.

Muy bien.

FWIW, I don’t see hating jews as anti-Semitic, any more than it makes you a plain old misanthrope. Shem’s children were the Semites, one of which was a son who became a relatively well known guy named Abraham. Abraham had a son who came to be known as Israel. Israel had twelve sons, the Israelites, and among them was Judah — his children are the Jews.

There is also nothing anti-Hebrew about doubting Israel’s right to exist. They may have earned this right in other ways, but “the Bible says so” doesn’t cut it. There is the strong possibility that they have asserted that right — there is also one that the Palestinians have asserted their right to NOT be part of Israel. There is room to believe both.

“Jew conspiracy” theory is dead. Muslims are much easier targets.

The daily links seem to make only occasional appearances too. Maybe because the aggregator doesn’t work? Annoying.

I knew there was a reason I actually enjoyed sparring with bobby (but not at all with maz).

Nevermind Pulse, MNspeak seems to have died today. I rarely read it, or any of the Bartel Cartel’s print creations.

Hey Champs, it’s a community effort. We haven’t seen any contribution from you in over two months.

The aggregator is indeed broken and neither Matt nor Rex seem to be able to figure it out. There is new software in the works, I’m told.

Natalie Portman.

Heh.

I agree with Wayne on the social security policy. It’s basicly an illegal pyramid scheme that will result in Gen-X and Gen-Y paying huge taxes to support the promises social security makes.

Is that what Wayne believes? That’s wonderful! It’s not illegal, because it’s law, but still I love that Wayne and I agree on that.

Tom, I barely have time for the news I read these days — though I do have one idea. There’s a lot of stuff sitting in /meta, though!

I’d like to take back my previous comment so it is a bit less ambiguous, and would just read something to the effect of “I don’t read much local print, including the popular Bartel publications, but I read Pulse about as often as Lavender.”

“FWIW, I don’t see hating jews as anti-Semitic,”

????

Surely you’re not trotting out the old debate-club technicality that Arabs are Semites too?
What nonsense – in our language, “anti-Semitic” has come to mean “hating Jews”….don’t parse things out until they make no sense.
Hating Arabs is called being “anti-Arab”….which is horrible too.

namelessjoe: if you had read the rest of my comment, you wouldn’t have to presume anything. pie. I really don’t care who is a descendant of Shem, but in the context of defining what is and isn’t “anti-Semitic”, it is certainly worth pointing out the fact that Jews are a thin slice of the Semitic pie. I’ll have some with ice cream.

the meta queue certainly is full — must be waiting for when the new banner pictures get put up

“Jews are a thin slice of the Semitic pie”

which makes it even more ironic that the only commonly used term in the English language with “Semitic” in it is “anti-Semitic”, which means “hatred of Jews”

Apparently, hatred of Arabs over the last couple thousand years hasn’t been severe enough to warrant its own catch phrase, while hatred and murder of Jews over the centuries has been one of the “great” pastimes of Western civilization (and near-Eastern too)

Sometimes I have to wonder – other than giving the world monotheism, a basic code of ethics to live by, capitalism, communism, Hollywood movies, quantum physics, psychoanalysis, the polio vaccine, and a vast array of the world’s greatest writers, musicians, artists, scientists, politicians, and thinkers, what good are we?

why not just retire use of the term “anti-Semitic” and when trying to describe a term for Anti-Jewish just use something simple like “Anti Jewish” that can’t get deluded through technicalities.

and regarding “the Bible says so” as justification for Israel’s right to exist, I think more so that that’s where their history and all of their important stuff is. It’s not necessarily religion or bible as justification, but history. Jerusalem, the jewish Temple and all that, Most of that stuff is still there. It is their number one most important place on earth, like Mecca to the Muslims. The return of jews to Israel is exactly that, a “return”. Not a colonial conquering that the indymedia crowd is so fond of yelling all the time. If the people opposed to Israel ever really wanted to live in peace, I bet there could be some peace. They’ve given me every opportunity to think otherwise though, and it’s not getting any better. Their goal is to get rid of Israel and get rid of the jews. Hey, it worked for the Romans.

oh, and yeah, most of the best comedians who aren’t black

I’ll make some news for ya, even if I have to lob a corn cob at the Governor to do it….

I WISH I were a think slice of semitic pie.

Hey Champs, it’s a community effort. We haven’t seen any contribution from you in over two months.

It’s a community effort … except only Bartels see any of the profits from it.

Whoops. Thin, rather.

Only in Minnesota do you see enthusiastic rallies in favor of huge piles of rotting corn.

Can we have fun, or what?!

The only meta topic that might even come close to belonging on the main page is the pit bull post by baker. The rest of it is crap.

Surely you’re not trotting out the old debate-club technicality that Arabs are Semites too?

At least theres merit to the technicality. From the other side comes the tiresome and farcical argument that the Palestinians are threatening to drive Israelis into the sea  apparently planning to become a modern day army of Davids by pushing back a fleet of Merkava tanks with nothing but slingshots.

Whatever my opinion on whether the Jews have a right to claim Israel as their religious homeland, I staunchly object to the idea that someone from Argentina or Brooklyn can move halfway across the world and uproot a Palestinian family from their ancestral homeland simply because he bows down to the proper deity.

In a curious and distressing turn of events, the label anti-semite is fast becoming a badge of honor as the label is most frequently used to besmirch people who believe in the rights of the Palestinians  not the right to claim a religious homeland, but the right to nutrition, sanitation, and mobility. Heck, is there anywhere I can get my hands on an anti-semite t-shirt?

I believe in the rights of Palestinians too – as do the vast majority of Israelis.
Really, most Israelis (and Jews worldwide) want the Palestinians to have a better life and their own state – just as soon as they stop murdering civilians in Israel

“nothing but slingshots”?
Really?
yeah, and bombs full of nails to inflict the maximum possible damage on children and the elderly
and AK-47’s
and huge amounts of heavy armaments and rockets and mortars from terror sponsors in Iran and Saudi Arabia

But other than that, yeah, just slingshots.
Your facts are impeccable.

And, good news, I think I know where you can get your t-shirt, Tate!
http://www.davidduke.com

Tate, you might want to reconsider your plans of claiming the language of hate as a badge of pride. However much you might support Palestinians, crowing about the merits of antisemitism, even as a rhetorical flourish, is mind-blowingly stupid.

Hey Tate-
I suppose this is just “anti-Israeli” sentiment too, huh?
Vicious anti-Semitic attack in France

Are these the kinds of people you want to be associated with?
Are these the kinds of people who are “unfairly labeled” as anti-Semites simply because they are “critical” of Israel?

We live in strange sad times – sick bigots like Tate think they’re “progressive.”

Tate might be a little misguided, so as a little bit of background, plenty of Israel (pre-1967 territory) is more or less indisputably Israel. Most of the conflict is, and should be, over the more more contentious areas, like the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. Also note that you are a racist unless you see the only the indefectible Israeli point of view.

WTF does any of this have to do with Pulse?

Hey Hounded and Torn-
thanks for linking to Neighborhood Bully, a song that a lot of hipsters prefer to ignore when expressing their love for His Bobness

and thanks for being more eloquent than me – my emotions run away from me a bit when I argue with bigots like Tate

I get especially upset because I feel like I’m “representin’” my persecuted ancestors sometimes (you know, the ones who were beaten and raped and killed in pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe for centuries – which must have been because of their “support for Israel’s militarism” rather than good old fashioned Jew hatred).

The Israelis completely withdrew from Gaza almost 2 years ago.
They have been “rewarded” ever since with terror and rocket attacks.
Most Israelis want out of the West Bank too, with a couple minor exceptions.
Nobody in Israel gives a shit about the Golan Heights – if Syria would drop its warlike stance against Israel (and stop supporting Hezbollah and their attacks on Israel), Israel would give the Golan back in a heartbeat – but, for now, it’s a buffer against a belligerent Syria and a barganining chip. Nothing more.
So, let’s say that Israel agreed to withdraw to its pre-1967 borders….leaving them horribly exposed to attack in the extremely narrow midsection of the country.
Is that enough for Hamas? Or Hezbollah?
No. They are on the record as saying so too. Look it up. Neither has recognized Israel’s right to exist…at…all. No, Hamas and Hezbollah don’t want an Israel that lives within the pre-1967 borders. They simply don’t want an Israel, and are willing to kill as many Jews as it takes to make that sick dream a reality.

I never called anybody a racist because they didn’t see only my point of view. But Tate is a bigot, plain and simple.

This has everything to do with Pulse – no paper in town was more obsessed with this issue, and no major publication in town was nearly as anti-Israel as Pulse.
so there

Cool.

After we do “Palestine forever”, we can do an abortion post!

Imagine: the two topics most likely to lead to irrational vitriol, all in one day!

“But Tate is a bigot, plain and simple.“

There’s a disease that makes one always ascribe moral standing to the oppressed simply because they’re oppressed, even when the oppressed made themselves oppressed through their intentionally evil and murderous choices.

It’s not so much “bigotry” as it is a willingness to ignore morality in service to a hatred for any and all power.

word, diz.

Can’t there be a “perpetual bickering” thread to which these devolutions get moved?

The top 3 posters in said thread can be awarded the golden soapbox. The award can be filled with bees and mace…and a BOGO coupon for Cold Stone Creamery.

“the meta queue certainly is full — must be waiting for when the new banner pictures get put up”

It’s a — what is it? — oh yeah, community effort, or hadn’t you heard, spaceman? I’m sure your community check is in the mail.

I’m starting to worry that there is no such thing as a nuanced position in regard to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Could we have dogs with bees in their mouths?

Sure, if you can pull it off without Matt Groening suing all of us.

Speaking of The Simpsons, there is a large supply of Skittles and beer in our office…

Bold is the man who sues the owner of agressive, bee-filled dogs. Not that an alibi for any retribution would help the owner much. “Bee stings? Yeah, I know what this looks like but I was at my cousin’s at the time.”

Sad news… here’s to hoping I can catch Hallett’s column somewhere else soon (which is the only reason I picked up Pulse in the first place)…

Oh, shit, I totally forgot to credit the Simpsons. Mea culpa.

I love the Pulse. It filled the radically leftist alt weekly void, now that CP started doing stories on hockey fights.

Why do radically leftist alt weekly features and stories on the Boogieman need to be mutually exclusive?

Oh, shit, I totally forgot to credit the Simpsons. Mea culpa.

So now you just credit stolen jokes when someone else has made it clear they know the source?

However much you might support Palestinians, crowing about the merits of antisemitism, even as a rhetorical flourish, is mind-blowingly stupid.

Touche. But still, such facile use of the “anti-semite” smear in a country where 99 of the nation’s 100 Senators rush to defend/praise Israel at every opportunity is mind-numbingly asinine.

Alas, this bigot has a pogrom to get to, so I’ll leave the bees to the “Birthright Israel” crowd and heed the plea to zip it.

Ah, the troll is back.

“Only in Minnesota do you see enthusiastic rallies in favor of huge piles of rotting corn”

Heh! That’s a fact, bobby. Another reason I love it here. Back in Indiana, we just ate our corn buttered, or we soaked it in lye, dried it, ground it, boiled it and ate it (again with the butter). That’s grits, folks, another gift from God.

Here, the moonshining is all proper and legal and such, and we can run our pickups on it (kevin, look out your window Friday at 11 and check out alamn Bob’s tricked out cornburner pickup. Don’t own it, but they let me drive it sometimes).

Yeah, Tate, pogroms ARE pretty funny.
By the way, I’ll miss Hallett too – he’s superb, as is Steve McPherson, Andrea Myers, and really all of the Pulse’s music writers.

It’s sad that a magazine that had the potential to be great was so tied to its idiot-Left politics (and just so you know that I know – the Right has plenty of idiots too) that it was hard to stomach reading it every week.

yawn.

let me know when a local rag comes out that has some semblance of journalistic integrity and no blatant biases.

seems like good journalists are really hard to find these days.

caryc, the reason good journalists are hard to find is that nobody is willing to pay for them. There are lots of them out there, and yet people buy ads in vita.mn, marq, spaces, metro, you name it. Americans are fans of bread and circuses.

There are lots of them out there, and yet people buy ads in vita.mn, marq, spaces, metro, you name it.

Tom, can you explain what you mean here?

what he’s saying is:

here we are now
entertain us

what he’s saying is:

entirely too wordy. someone get me some big pictures and snappy one-liners before my poor american brain explodes from fatigue!

Is that what Wayne believes? That’s wonderful! It’s not illegal, because it’s law, but still I love that Wayne and I agree on that.

Actually I never said it was illegal, he added that part, but yes, it’s a total scam.