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	<title>Comments on: Walz: Better Debates in High School than Congress</title>
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		<title>By: yepnope</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82316</link>
		<dc:creator>yepnope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, what a difference 15 years and 200 miles makes. My teachers mocked the foreign kids and told us we didn&#039;t need to learn about Africa, because it wasn&#039;t important, like England. And we had to tour the sewage plant. &lt;br /&gt;
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The biggest beef I hear from school administrators, teachers, and Walz, is that the pass rate is the same for all kids. A kid like yours, Bobby, probably whizzes through the tests. Comparing him to a kid in special ed or ESL is silly and doesn&#039;t measure the quality of the teacher or the school. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, what a difference 15 years and 200 miles makes. My teachers mocked the foreign kids and told us we didn&#8217;t need to learn about Africa, because it wasn&#8217;t important, like England. And we had to tour the sewage plant. </p>
<p>The biggest beef I hear from school administrators, teachers, and Walz, is that the pass rate is the same for all kids. A kid like yours, Bobby, probably whizzes through the tests. Comparing him to a kid in special ed or ESL is silly and doesn&#8217;t measure the quality of the teacher or the school.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82308</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear every teacher talk about how accountability is a great idea, but they seem to think that it&#039;s great only as long as it&#039;s applied to other schools, and not their school.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, yeah, most of my kids&#039; teachers seem to really want to teach the kids about the complexities of Iran and the unfairness to the poor if we don&#039;t have higher taxation and how wind farms are better than burning coal, but the testing now being done makes them spend more time than they would like to waste on things like state capitals, and where to find Somolia on a map, and how to do long division . . .  Frankly, it&#039;s sort of been a nice change, because the kids are now getting more of those basics that they were simply missing before (&quot;they&#039;ll have calculators, they don&#039;t need to do that . . &quot;) and fewer &quot;business is evil and pollutes&quot; ignorant diatribes (from people who, in the face of the toughness of math and science and even sociology majors, opted instead for &quot;education.&quot;)  What Waltz calls &quot;nuance&quot;, I call &quot;stuff that&#039;s more fun to spend your paid time on than what you&#039;re supposed to teach.&quot;  I&#039;d rather the kids learned the basics first.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, the testing takes up too much time?  Middle son recently had a few days of that testing.  He asked if I could pick up some pop for him for school the next day, for the free time.  &quot;Free time?&quot; I said.  &quot;Yeah, we take two hours of tests, and then the rest of the day is set up as a free day with movies, fun activities, and the like&quot; he said.  &quot;No classes?&quot;, I said.  &quot;Nope&quot;, he replied, &quot;not on those testing days.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So screw that whole argument. If &quot;testing takes too much time away from teaching&quot;, then the parties do too, as do the surprisingly frequent teachers&#039; workshop days and half-days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear every teacher talk about how accountability is a great idea, but they seem to think that it&#8217;s great only as long as it&#8217;s applied to other schools, and not their school.</p>
<p>And, yeah, most of my kids&#8217; teachers seem to really want to teach the kids about the complexities of Iran and the unfairness to the poor if we don&#8217;t have higher taxation and how wind farms are better than burning coal, but the testing now being done makes them spend more time than they would like to waste on things like state capitals, and where to find Somolia on a map, and how to do long division . . .  Frankly, it&#8217;s sort of been a nice change, because the kids are now getting more of those basics that they were simply missing before (&#8221;they&#8217;ll have calculators, they don&#8217;t need to do that . . &#8220;) and fewer &#8220;business is evil and pollutes&#8221; ignorant diatribes (from people who, in the face of the toughness of math and science and even sociology majors, opted instead for &#8220;education.&#8221;)  What Waltz calls &#8220;nuance&#8221;, I call &#8220;stuff that&#8217;s more fun to spend your paid time on than what you&#8217;re supposed to teach.&#8221;  I&#8217;d rather the kids learned the basics first.</p>
<p>And, the testing takes up too much time?  Middle son recently had a few days of that testing.  He asked if I could pick up some pop for him for school the next day, for the free time.  &#8220;Free time?&#8221; I said.  &#8220;Yeah, we take two hours of tests, and then the rest of the day is set up as a free day with movies, fun activities, and the like&#8221; he said.  &#8220;No classes?&#8221;, I said.  &#8220;Nope&#8221;, he replied, &#8220;not on those testing days.&#8221;</p>
<p>So screw that whole argument. If &#8220;testing takes too much time away from teaching&#8221;, then the parties do too, as do the surprisingly frequent teachers&#8217; workshop days and half-days.</p>
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		<title>By: g rote</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82292</link>
		<dc:creator>g rote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an uncle who was an education coordinator for the Marine Corps Tactical Systems Support Activity at Camp Pendleton, but is now in Saudi Arabia training Saudi Naval Officers.  But since I rarely speak with him, I probably learned it watching T.V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an uncle who was an education coordinator for the Marine Corps Tactical Systems Support Activity at Camp Pendleton, but is now in Saudi Arabia training Saudi Naval Officers.  But since I rarely speak with him, I probably learned it watching T.V.</p>
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		<title>By: mazasapa</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82287</link>
		<dc:creator>mazasapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow grote!  Where did you learn to use the correct terminology?  The only thing missing was &quot;Alert One, Alert One!&quot;  heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow grote!  Where did you learn to use the correct terminology?  The only thing missing was &#8220;Alert One, Alert One!&#8221;  heh</p>
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		<title>By: g rote</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82284</link>
		<dc:creator>g rote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, we have a Troll Defcon Five Alert.  batten down the hatches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, we have a Troll Defcon Five Alert.  batten down the hatches.</p>
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		<title>By: mazasapa</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82282</link>
		<dc:creator>mazasapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polls show that 50% of likely voters say they would not under any circumstances vote for Hitlery.  Looks like the democrats will have to cheat again just to get close.  heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls show that 50% of likely voters say they would not under any circumstances vote for Hitlery.  Looks like the democrats will have to cheat again just to get close.  heh</p>
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		<title>By: acalhoun</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82277</link>
		<dc:creator>acalhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raindog... it&#039;s been awhile? &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raindog&#8230; it&#8217;s been awhile? </p>
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		<title>By: Raindog66</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82276</link>
		<dc:creator>Raindog66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Dems could nominate a bag of chips and it would not only outperform Herr Bush it would win in a landslide over the likes of Rudy &quot;I fucked over the firefighters on 9/11&quot; Guilianni, Flip Flop Mealy Mouthed McCain and the other Robot Religious Cryptofascists that are running.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think if I went out and peed on the sidewalk the wet-spot I leave would defeat any Repub in the next election.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus I could sell the pix on e-bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Dems could nominate a bag of chips and it would not only outperform Herr Bush it would win in a landslide over the likes of Rudy &#8220;I fucked over the firefighters on 9/11&#8243; Guilianni, Flip Flop Mealy Mouthed McCain and the other Robot Religious Cryptofascists that are running.</p>
<p>I think if I went out and peed on the sidewalk the wet-spot I leave would defeat any Repub in the next election.</p>
<p>Plus I could sell the pix on e-bay.</p>
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		<title>By: mazasapa</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82272</link>
		<dc:creator>mazasapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the democrats should nominate Mrs. Bill Clinton.  &lt;em&gt;That&#039;ll&lt;/em&gt; be fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the democrats should nominate Mrs. Bill Clinton.  <em>That&#8217;ll</em> be fun!</p>
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		<title>By: jeffk</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10337#comment-82266</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must surely mean President Richardson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must surely mean President Richardson.</p>
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