Comments on: Ethanol May Fuel Health Problems http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314 Minneapolis + St. Paul Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:11:27 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: alamn http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-82977 alamn Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:31:25 +0000 #comment-82977 <a href="http://www.mncorn.org/mcga/documents/photos/E8514x48Addicted.jpg" target="_blank">Here's our answer to Stanford</a>. Here’s our answer to Stanford.

]]> By: alamn http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81891 alamn Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:07:13 +0000 #comment-81891 In the case of FFVs, it's because the majority of them are big honkers -- a trend that is (too) slowly moving down to smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles like the <a href="http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0608_2006_chevrolet_impala_e85_ethanol/index.html" target="_blank">Impala</a>. <br /> <br /> Anyway, this chart uses a national fuel cost estimate. <a href="http://wcco.com/consumer/local_story_113081303.html" target="_blank">In Minnesota, our fuel costs are generally lower</a> (and have been for years). In the case of FFVs, it’s because the majority of them are big honkers — a trend that is (too) slowly moving down to smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles like the Impala.

Anyway, this chart uses a national fuel cost estimate. In Minnesota, our fuel costs are generally lower (and have been for years).

]]> By: kwatt http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81887 kwatt Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:02:01 +0000 #comment-81887 But a lot of those cars with better pollution are also more expensive fuels costs. But a lot of those cars with better pollution are also more expensive fuels costs.

]]> By: alamn http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81881 alamn Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:29:07 +0000 #comment-81881 <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfuel/FFV2007.shtml" target="_blank">Here's a nice chart</a> that illustrates what I've been saying about air pollution and E85. They didn't have E85 emissions data to compare to gasoline for every FFV listed, but when they did, the air pollution score improved greatly -- from sub-par 3s to respectable 6s or 7s.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2007_Toyota_Prius.shtml" target="_blank">The Prius ranked well</a>, as you might expect. The Honda Civic CNG model <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfuel/CNG2007.shtml" target="_blank">is the best</a>. We had one here at ALAMN for a couple years. Here’s a nice chart that illustrates what I’ve been saying about air pollution and E85. They didn’t have E85 emissions data to compare to gasoline for every FFV listed, but when they did, the air pollution score improved greatly — from sub-par 3s to respectable 6s or 7s.

The Prius ranked well, as you might expect. The Honda Civic CNG model is the best. We had one here at ALAMN for a couple years.

]]> By: alamn http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81778 alamn Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:46:33 +0000 #comment-81778 If the Stanford researcher is right (and he is <strong><em>NOT</em></strong>), at least we know <a href="http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleancities/images/mn_hockey.pdf" target="_blank">why</a> the Gophers didn't win the nation hockey title this year.<br /> <br /> Just kidding. This Z runs on propane. If the Stanford researcher is right (and he is NOT), at least we know why the Gophers didn’t win the nation hockey title this year.

Just kidding. This Z runs on propane.

]]> By: alamn http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81589 alamn Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:55:10 +0000 #comment-81589 The regional ALA office has <a href="http://www.lungil.org/newsarticle.cfm?ArticleID=11" target="_blank">a statement</a> posted on this topic. The regional ALA office has a statement posted on this topic.

]]> By: alamn http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81585 alamn Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:39:02 +0000 #comment-81585 Haven't been on Hugg, but I got the same treatment on Grist. Whole lot of corn haters on that site.<br /> <br /> I suppose they all drive vehicles that run on fairy dust and good intentions.<br /> <br /> sigh...Happy belated Earth Day for trying, Steve. Haven’t been on Hugg, but I got the same treatment on Grist. Whole lot of corn haters on that site.

I suppose they all drive vehicles that run on fairy dust and good intentions.

sigh…Happy belated Earth Day for trying, Steve.

]]> By: yoder http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81543 yoder Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:49:56 +0000 #comment-81543 <em>"E85 is not a perfect fuel (none are), nor is it "the answer," it is cleaner and healthier than gasoline. It's a first step away from gasoline, and I and my organization still stand behind its use.<br /> »» Submitted by »»» alamn at 6:14 AM on April 19"</em><br /> <br /> I agree. I just got spanked on Grist and Hugg for posting similarly. Seems ethanol is another one of those subjects that are either black or white. “E85 is not a perfect fuel (none are), nor is it “the answer,” it is cleaner and healthier than gasoline. It’s a first step away from gasoline, and I and my organization still stand behind its use.
»» Submitted by »»» alamn at 6:14 AM on April 19″

I agree. I just got spanked on Grist and Hugg for posting similarly. Seems ethanol is another one of those subjects that are either black or white.

]]> By: caryc http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81286 caryc Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:16:57 +0000 #comment-81286 Not like ethanol was really a viable solution to the problem anyways Not like ethanol was really a viable solution to the problem anyways

]]> By: bobby_b http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10314#comment-81228 bobby_b Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:54:38 +0000 #comment-81228 "Kinda like me down-sizing to my little abode in Ely, eschewing the good life here in "picturesque and affluent" Mac-Groveland, while Vlad is still dreaming of that first home. heh"<br /> <br /> Yeah, plus the "developed" world telling the Third World it's time to start cutting out industry and energy use and consumerism.<br /> <br /> ("Yeah?! Well, Kyoto <strong>THIS</strong>, a-hole!") “Kinda like me down-sizing to my little abode in Ely, eschewing the good life here in “picturesque and affluent” Mac-Groveland, while Vlad is still dreaming of that first home. heh”

Yeah, plus the “developed” world telling the Third World it’s time to start cutting out industry and energy use and consumerism.

(”Yeah?! Well, Kyoto THIS, a-hole!”)

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