Secrets of the City

cool map….most all of them are within 2 miles of I-94…reinforcing raindog’s conspiracy theory?

actually, that link to the list of every person killed with the map and the backstory is fantastic…it’s the fulfillment of bud jr’s dreams…he’ll be up all night wanking to it.

I know that the map points out problems in North Minneapolis, but going through the list, it really seems like a lot of these people were victims in a plague of crime that they helped to spread. How much of that can… or as some might say, SHOULD… we put a stop to?

This doesn’t mean I’ll be making North my new hangout, but it’s always good to point out the infrequency of random acts of violence.

It looks like the orientation of the street grid correlates to homicide density… the only non-north/south incident seems to be #14… is that the infamous Block E?

If it bleeds, it leads.

but it’s always good to point out the infrequency of random acts of violence.

Champs, sadly all that is pointed out is the infrequency of random acts of violence leading to murder charges.

Why the hell would you make a PDF of a rasterized image? All it does is make it bigger without any increase in quality. Someone at the Rake needs to go back to design school.

Since you asked Grote, there’s an excellent article on the Serial Killer who has been preying on young men in Minnesota & Wisconsin:

Only the River Knows

to be fair, it was a konspiracy.

…it really seems like a lot of these people were victims in a plague of crime that they helped to spread. How much of that can… or as some might say, SHOULD… we put a stop to?

To which “we” are you referring?

Reading through the list of victims…. This is so sad.

actually, that link to the list of every person killed with the map and the backstory is fantastic…it’s the fulfillment of bud jr’s dreams…he’ll be up all night wanking to it.

Not quite, it doesn’t say whether or not all the killers were black. He won’t be happy until it’s explicitly stated so he can feel smug in his racism.

I’m kind of surprised by how few of the murders are unsolved. The police may not be great at preventing murders, but they at least seem to be able to solve them most of the time.

Still not terribly comforting, but hey…

wayne, murder actually has one of the highest clearance rates. When you think about, there is almost a relationship between the victim and the killer. Not so with robbery, burglary, etc.

I’m much better at preventing crime than the MPD.

the list includes that police shooting of the guy near my house who allegedly went for officer’s gun, as a homicide…#48

interesting call, Rake.

We were doing a lot better for our murder clearances before McNulty placed all those dead prostitutes in our district.

in fact, they are including all police related shootings in their ‘murder by numbers’ feature.

these are not murders, technically. They are shootings.

18. Clarence David Meat, Jr. (24) May 3; 2000 block of 34th St. E.
Meat, who grew up on the Leech Lake Indian reservation and was taking the spring semester off from Harvard University, was shot after spraying graffiti on a duplex.

Looks like his ivory tower education was really paying off….

we need to cross reference the shootings with a map of houses containing lead paint. i could have all these murders solved in a week…

Cubbie, every house built before about 1978 probably has lead paint.
I don’t think your correlation will yield much.

You might want to read this pamphlet from the EPA.
Educate your self.
You might somehow impregnate someone and this is good information.

Baker, you’re quite the paragon of virtue. Nary a misstep in your exemplary life apparently, to judge from your nostril-baring haughtiness, your sniffing supercilliousness, your pat pronouncements. You ever been to Leech Lake, or Red Lake?

Cubbie, you make a great point about the one-note nature of that map. See this piece from NPR’s Day to Day ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7097476 ) re: a mapping project in Phil that graphically gets the point across that poor neighborhoods where residents exhibit substandard nutrion also lack access to grocery stores.

Of course, this is the sort of story that leaves budjr having to remove his Farah slacks with a spatula. Gird your loins for something truly unhinged from him in response.

Thanks for this post.

There’s some great info here. Nice job.

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Hey SEAN. I hear your mom likes to get rasterized.

I’ve only read as far as #34 and already there are 3 people with the last name Bobo that are suspects in 3 different cases.

kokonutz. that’s sort of an ironic statement on your part. whio’s judging whom here?
You don’t know me, but I will tell you this.

I don’t respect OR tolerate those that break the law. I don’t really care where the hell they come from–Leech Lake or Minnetonka. A 24 year old, partially college educated man has no place vandalizing a property. You can feel free to make excuses for him all you want.

(not justifying the murder obviously)

What’s wrong with Bobo culture that makes Bobo’s so likely to be involved in crime?

We were doing a lot better for our murder clearances before McNulty placed all those dead prostitutes in our district.

I love you, Max.

Baker, I’m operating strictly off your posts. And you’re coming off like a regular Nancy Grace with your bold pronouncements against crime. You’re aginit! Wow! Really sets you apart. Yeah, it’s pretty rare for a 20-something to engage in ill-advised, impulsive behavior. But in those odd cases, like Meat’s, when they do, right ‘em off (sounds he and W would have gotten on famously, though). After all, you and Nancy gave ‘em their chance to lead unblemished lives and, hey, they failed to meet your standards. So, bummer Meat had to be shot and killed, but, subtext–he had it coming. If he’d only led the sort of unblemished life that anyone who spews such sueprcillious tripe would have to have led in order to shave in the morning, he’d have graduated Harvard and worked at Solomon. But he erred, so hell with him.

kokonutz,
fuck off, do not compare me to Nancy Grace, you little twit.

These are not my standards, not Nancy’s standards.
These are society’s standards. Very basic stuff here.

All I did was point out the ‘dark humor’ in that a harvard educated 24 year old man took a semester off to damage other people’s property. I didn’t ‘write em off, I did not justify the murder of him, like you imply, even though I specifically stated that in my post.

There are a lot of people in rough circumstances, who refrain from stealing, hurting, and damaging others’ property. They do what they can to get by. I respect these people to no end. Then there are criminals.

But let’s try to keep this post on topic; I’ll maintain my view of the criminal elements of our society, who are too lazy to take care of themselves, and you can coddle them and make excuses for them, until you feel the tip of that knife.

carry on.

After reading the list I’m going to avoid cars altogether!

I’m guessing in a good half of all of those someone was sitting in a car, driving in a car or arguing over a car. I’m sticking to the bus!

Impressive rejoinder. But where’d you ever get the idea I was little, Baker. Look, tough guy, you spew the same sort of rhetoric as that self-righteous harpy, Nancy Grace, and you invite the comparison. Your child-like, stark (”basic”) morality is only slightly less appalling than your denatured sensibility that finds humor in the senseless murder of a promising-sounding young kid who’d likely overcome more obstacles in his life, for which your stunted imagination could manage to work up so much as a scintilla of empathy, only sniffing dismissal.

I’m really not terribly impressed with Harvard people in general anyway. Don’t get me wrong, many are intelligent and worthwhile individuals, but it’s not ilke the ultra mega collector of the intellectual elite it seems to fancy itself as. Definitely not for undergrad.

But Harvard does pay good money for do-nothing jobs that are nearly impossible to get fired from. I’m half tempted to apply for some so I can move back to Boston.

simpleton, i already gots me a shorty…and don’t worry, lead paint or not, he’s not gonna blow away someone for a basketball jersey. but then again, my kid’s not gonna grow up idolizing gangstas. you see, i’m a good dad – i spend time with my kid, instill good values, etc…but those things don’t matter in your world.

I wonder if cubbie even knows what ’shorty’ means nowdays …

I was about to ask the same thing, wayne.

Wow. I’m impressed. Normally we don’t get that many multisyllabic words or tropes in a thread.

scintilla
rejoinder
a correct usage of “rhetoric”
paragon
haughtiness
tasty alliteration (your sniffing supercilliousness, your pat pronouncements) and anaphora (and double bonus points for using anaphora paired with the alliteration)

LJKokonutz, are you a ringer? Philosophy or PolSci prof, maybe?

how poetic.
respect for others, and peronal responsibility are not child like morals. They are basic morals, that everyone should follow. Those who disrespect others via crime lose my respect in return.

When you learn that not everthing is someone/something else’s fault, you’ll be on the right track.

Oh and, for the 3rd fucking time, I found no humor in the death of this man. In spite of your impressive vocabulary, you can’t read worth a shit.

Baker rocks.

For those still interested, the majority of the killers are – yes, “people of color”.

But not the Barry Obama kind.

wayne, msparber…get your white-slang dictionary out. shorty means a couple different things, and one of them is still your kid. it’s all about context. (it’s true, i just asked my black friend.) but don’t worry, i still think you guys are cool. now go listen to some more krs-one, homey.

Thank you for smearing your inevitable crazy on this thread, bud.

bud…a bit of news that’s sure to brighten your little corner of hell…so are most of the victims.

Well, thank goodness, because I have sex with my shorty.

Stop the presses!

Blacks kill most of the people around here, disproportionally speaking, and Max is doin’ it with a kid?

Or rather, a short wooden pirate doll?

Oh, what a world!

What next – a glowing tribute to “backdoor pleasures”?

Oh, that’s right, Withering Glance comes out Sunday.

that kind of reminded me of that “look I have black friends!” website from the olden internet days.

This one?

anyone else notice that Rick Nelson was depicted in MSP Magazine this month??? from behind, of course.

Sailor Martin was a merchant marine, not a pirate.

Yes, Max!

Bud jr,
Your endorsement is definitely not what I am looking for, but thanks anyways.

actually, please rescind your endorsment, if you would.

Bud jr does not rescind anything.

His support and validation are hard-won.

Be pleased.

Bud, you and I are nothing alike. I don’t want to be associated with you, so I refuse to ackowlege that you think I rock.

in fact, I suck.

Ok, so no one finds it odd that the Rake included police shootings with criminal homicides?
Do you all think the are ‘one in the same’?

Bud jr does not rescind anything.

His support and validation is a hard-on.

Be afraid.

It’s more like a heat-seeking missle…or a Viagra hard-on.

Damn straight.

So, Baker, let me get this straight…you only ‘like” people who are “like” you?

Kind of limiting, that.

By “like” do you mean “have sex with”?

Seriously, your quote mark abuse is quite confusing.

Ok, so no one finds it odd that the Rake included police shootings with criminal homicides?

Well, I agree that Rake shouldn’t have included police shootings. Average readers will assume the police shootings are the conventional criminal homicides. Hell, the end result is that the murder stats are inflated.

of course police shootings don’t belong on this list, but i certainly don’t find it ODD that the rake would include them. farking media.

I am pretty tolerant of most types of people—except criminals and bigots I suppose.

Calhoun, I wonder if the rake is going to catch any flak for that?
I wonder if they did it on purpose, sort of ’subliminably’ [sic]

“simpleton, i already gots me a shorty…and don’t worry, lead paint or not, he’s not gonna blow away someone for a basketball jersey. but then again, my kid’s not gonna grow up idolizing gangstas. you see, i’m a good dad – i spend time with my kid, instill good values, etc…but those things don’t matter in your world.”

ah, and nobody with a “good dad” who spent lots of time with the kids has EVER gone off the straight and narrow.

ah, and nobody with a “good dad” who spent lots of time with the kids has EVER gone off the straight and narrow.

nope. never. it’s never happened in the history of the world. jackass.

no wait, i take that back. mnblrmkrmnblr, make the argument that fathers are irrelevant to a child’s upbringing. convince me that kids who don’t know their dads are just as happy, educated, and successful as kids with strong fathers. come on, do it! ahh, never mind…it’s quittin time.

Oooh, name calling. At least my 1st grade nephew comes up with more interesting ones.

I’ve known plenty of people who grew up in single parent homes, that have turned out just fine. Sure, single family households are more at risk, but that has far more to do with the economic condition of the household.

But that wasn’t the point I was making. Simply repsonding to your smug certainty that YOUR child isn’t going to turn out like one of “them” because YOU’RE such a good daddy.

ah, and nobody with a “good dad” who spent lots of time with the kids has EVER gone off the straight and narrow.

As in, like, smoking a cigarette with their friends at school, or killing someone for their jersey?

“As in, like, smoking a cigarette with their friends at school, or killing someone for their jersey?”

Either one. Take your pick.

Lots of assumptions there. Like, uh, single-parent families are always female-headed, and the kids never see their dads.

But those kids are just fine!

(Cubbie’s kid, on the other hand, is clearly fucked.)

Oh, and PS: Single parent families, particularly female-headed, ARE ALMOST ALWAYS poorer than two-parent families.

So yeah, economics factors in, but all of these things are connected.

“But those kids are just fine!”

Never said that. I acknowledged that they were at higher risk.

“(Cubbie’s kid, on the other hand, is clearly fucked.) “

Never said that either. Just said that even if he’s a regular Ward Cleaver, there’s no guarantee that his kid won’t turn out to be another John Wayne Gacy.

“Lots of assumptions there. Like, uh, single-parent families are always female-headed, and the kids never see their dads.”

Only assumption I was making was that he was actually refering to father-absent households.

One little bit on why we included the three police shootings. They were homicides, in the strict sense of the word, although not murders. Homicide simply means the killing of one person by another. We should have been more precise in our language and titled the piece differently. Sorry.

That said, the story is about violence. Homicide is only one aspect of the violence in the city. Aggravated assaults are probably a more reliable measure of the violence than is murder.

It would be interesting to cross-reference these “victims” names with their criminal records to see how many assaults, drug related offenses, etc… they’ve been charged with.

Now, that would be a revealing story. In fact, they ought to show the propensity for violence these “victims” have every time they cover their stories on the 10 o’clock news.