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The Jews get bubonic plague and the gays get the AIDS so it only makes sense the sluts get the cancer.

Parents, let’s get some opt-out parties going!

Whenever democrats are in charge, you see that word “mandate” a lot in their legislation.

Make sense that the first 2 people to make a stupid comment on this are men.

Jews didn’t get bubonic plague. Unlike Christians, we actually bathed with regularity.

Now that’s funny.

I honestly don’t see how this is even controversial. It’s really a no-brainer to vaccinate young women for something that’s completely preventable. It has zero bearing on whether or not they will choose to be sexually active and when (there are still plenty of scary things out there to deter young women from starting too early, like pregnancy and plenty of STDs), and we already have a set of shots children have to get. I don’t see most people throwing a shitfit about MMR vaccinations*. The fact that anyone would even argue about this shows what a bunch of retards people are turning into.

*there are still some crazies out there who somehow don’t agree with this, but they are a tiny tiny minority.

girl, why was that a dumb comment?

this absolutely does not send a “mixed message” about sexuality — it’s a public health issue. the fact this stuff turns political in the us is depressing.

I don’t know nuthin bout no plague, but I got an oz of the bubonic chronic.

I did heavy handedly weigh in on this on the Flu II thread.

Are people aware that 75% of people in the US are infected?

75%

If 75% of the people in the US were carriers of any disease I think the government has the duty to take prudent action.

“gosh, i was thinking about waiting on the whole sex thing, but i did get this sweet vaccination when i was young that prevents cancer!”

i’m not sure removing cancer from “God’s list of sex consequences” really makes the kids go sex-crazy.

I wonder if a single teenage girl will say, “Wait–I can’t get HPV? Then why don’t I have all sorts of crazy unprotected sex? There couldn’t possibly be any other negative ramifications of unprotected sexual activity! Yay, now I can have all the sex I want risk-free, consequence-free! No HPV means sex has no consequences!”

Texas is also looking at making it mandatory. Age 11/12 is one of the last times kids are brought in for vaccinations, so it makes sense to do it then. Other than physicals for middle/high school sports, teenagers aren’t usually brought in for doctor’s visits unless something’s wrong. Also, this vaccine will obviously be more effective before girls become exposed to the virus.

Here we go again…

the thing that seems ludicrous, is that no efforts are being made to vaccinate males. men carry the virus and pass it along, so why arent we vaccinating 12 year old boys too?

and an important tid bit – condoms do not provide guaranteed protection from HPV. it is a virus that is passed through skin contact – not fluid contact. so even if you boys wear a raincoat, you could still be spreading the HPV love.

nazis

I don’t think cervical cancer is funny. Sorry, I’m being sensitive today. I’m mad that I’m too old for the vaccine. and Cancer scares the crap outta me.

And .. Godwin. You’re on a role today, Maz.

so why arent we vaccinating 12 year old boys too?

Isn’t it obvious?

They don’t care if gay men get anal cancer only if women get cervical cancer. Actually I’m only joking. Well 95% joking.

The reason we’re not vaccinating boys at this time, is that Gardisil has not been shown to work in males.

I haven’t read up on the biology of the vaccine, so I don’t know if this would simply be a matter of trials to prove effiacy, or if there is some underlying biological reason that would require a different approach for males.

Actually, the reason they’re not vaccinating boys is because the vaccine is only approved for women aged 9 (I think) to 26. Although off-label use is certainly common, it isn’t covered by insurance.

I imagine that further testing will be done and eventually it will be approved for men, too. It will make sense to reduce the reservoir of the virus.

And Elizabeth beats me to the send button.

But again, it’s possible that there may be more to it than simply running additional trials in men.

It would be great if more trials is all that’s needed, but biology isn’t always that straight forward.

Gradisil is not a silver bullet. But is is still extremely important: It is only effective against 1 or 2 strains of HPV, and those strains are responsible for70-80% of all cases of cervical cancer.

IIRC, the cancers arising from the remaining strains also tend to be less agressive, and more repsonsive to treatment.

First question is who has ties to Merck? (makers of Gardasil) And who will foot the bill for the reported $360 tab ($120×3 shots)? I agree that it is a great step forward in medical progress but is the reasoning behind making it mandatory in the interest of women’s health or the bank account of a few people?

Happy compromise time. Mandatory vaccinations, but Merck loses their patent.

If this is such a public health threat, it would justify allowing the other drug companies to produce the vaccine. But I suppose Merck’s profits are more important than protecting kids from cancer.

Happy compromise time. Voluntary vaccinations, and Merck keeps their patent.

I have a question…
We all talk back and forth/debate on different issues and things that concern us on a pretty regular basis. Does anyone do anything about it in real life or are you all as lazy as me?

I presume Merck spent a buck of two to develop the vaccine… they probably should be allowed to make some of that money back.

http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/HPV/HPVHOME.htm

regarding vaccination and vaccine related injury/death by B.L. Fischer;

“When it happens to your child, the risks are 100 percent. Doctors are fallible and there are no guarantees.

We should all be worried whenever anyone tries to demonize and target minorities who hold different beliefs from the majority in an attempt to pit citizen against citizen. The first step toward totalitarianism is to target the minority in question as a threat to the public health and welfare. The second step is to encourage citizens to identify and round up fellow citizens who belong to the minority and destroy them.”

mandate schmandate, i say….

It certainly raises questions to mandate everyone receive a product made by only one company. But…if we do that, and I owned a medical company, I’d get on it and crank out all kinds of stuff so the government could guarantee me customers.

So, should a child whose parents opt not to vaccinate them against a disease , be allowedt osue their parents, when sadi child later contracts a disease that could have been prevented if they had received the vacccine?

Whenever democrats are in charge, you see that word “mandate” a lot in their legislation. — George W, 2004, what?

I don’t see where there’s a problem with this vaccine. How did tetanus and MMR and all those other vaccines we routinely get as children come into regular usage?

Does anyone do anything about it in real life or are you all as lazy as me?

Well, I hate (heh) to brag, but….

Healthier housing, cleaner alternative fuels, smokefree workplaces…

I am blessed to have a job with a great nonprofit organization that rolls up its sleves and works to improve health and the environment. There’s a lot of good orgs and causes who need workers, leaders and volunteers. Go for it, girl!

Stopping the bold

STOP!

Okay, who messed up the formatting??

the liberals messed up formatting.

That’s awesome alamn!

I was thinking of volunteering w/ Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.

How about I format your face?

Bring it, you comic sans pipsqueak.

Uh-oh. Font fight. There are few spectacles more violent.

Anyone know how I can format this thread to make comments all caps, just to make things even more lively?

Okay, I have a few thoughts on this….

Up until recently, mercury was the base for most of these shots we all recieved as children. This exposed us to over 100 times the designated daily exposure limit. As we all know, mercury has been linked to learning disabilities and autism. The rates of autism have been linked with the rise in vaccinations we experienced.

My fear is that, since there hasn’t really been any long term studies on this, we could be exposing our female population to some potential major problems later on down the road. Exposures to pre-pubescent children have an exaggerated affect because children are still growing and developing. What I would like to know is what are the long-term effects of this? Yes, it could prevent a cancer-causing virus that is rampant in the US, but what else could it possibly cause? Just a thought….

Secondly, I think the issue with Merck is one that requires some more investigation…they do stand to make a lot of money. In Texas where govenor Perry mandated the vaccination, against the will of his conservative base, there are some close connections to Merck. Perry’s former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, is a head lobbyist for Merck. Perry also recieved 6,000 bucks from the Merck Pac.

Anyway, that’s my two cents.

There is a thing called “Herd Resistance” By vaccinating everyone, the amount of the virus is lessened. Further, if someone is not vaccinated or the vaccine is in effective, it is less likely that they will come into contact with someone who is. This is WHY they make the vaccine mandatory…

Make it stop!!!

Up until recently, mercury was the base for most of these shots we all recieved as children. This exposed us to over 100 times the designated daily exposure limit. As we all know, mercury has been linked to learning disabilities and autism. The rates of autism have been linked with the rise in vaccinations we experienced.

The “link” between thimiserol (mercury) and autism has been debunked over and over again. It is simply not true… One vaccination will have the same long term side effect as another.

Though in recent years some parents of autistic children have come to blame mercury-containing vaccines for their children’s condition, their belief is based on a combination of coincidence and conjecture.

For parents who are convinced that vaccines cause autism, it is significant that autism did not exist as a diagnosis until the Johns Hopkins University psychiatrist Leo Kanner first described the disorder in a 1943 journal paperseveral years after children started receiving vaccines that contained minuscule amounts of a mercury preservative. But Kanner merely gave a name to a condition that probably always existed.

The link between vaccines and autism is a favorite bagaboo of anti-vaccine activists, but there’s compelling reason to believe their case is based on prejudice and coincidence.

Up until recently, mercury was the base for most of these shots we all recieved as children. This exposed us to over 100 times the designated daily exposure limit. As we all know, mercury has been linked to learning disabilities and autism. The rates of autism have been linked with the rise in vaccinations we experienced.

This is tremendously misleading. You make it sound like mercury is the active ingredient in childhood vaccinations. Thimerosol, which contains mercury, was used as a preservative in vaccines, especially ones packaged in multi-dose bottles. According to the FDA, a 0.5 mL dose of a vaccine containing 0.01% thimerosol (the upper limit of what’s used) contains approximately 25 micrograms of mercury. I haven’t looked up what the daily exposure limit to mercury is, because I know it varies depending on what form the mercury is in and I actually have work I should be doing right now.

Numerous epidemiological studies have been done showing no link between thimerosol in vaccines and autism. I believe it was Denmark that continued showing an increase in autism years after thimerosol was discontinued in their vaccines. Thimerosol is being greatly reduced and/or phased out primarily because it has bad press. Respectful Insolence has way more on this, as well as a debunking of various “woo” science.

Also, as you can read here, Gardasil contains no thimerosol, or any other mercury-containing compounds.

No, I don’t work for a pharmaceutical company, so please don’t accuse me of being a shill for “Big Pharma.”

I did it!!!

I think everyone can agree that Comic Sans should be banned. We must protect the public from this awful font.

yoink!

I’ve seen some fierce fights over the mercury/vaccination issue. The science does not support a link between autism and thimiserol. But “mercury” is a scary word, and rightly so. The good news is most vaccines no longer use it.

Regardless, of the mercury debate, I think my point regarding the lack of long term studies on it and the increased susceptibility of children are things to think about.

I’m pretty undecided on the whole issue (though leaning toward a mandate), I’m just tossing some ideas around.

I used to think I was alone as a hater of comic sans, but thanks to the magic of the internet, I now know I’m very much not alone. Thank you, internets!

sheesh, tough crowd.

does anyone else think Karina Hill is adorable?

Way to cover up your lack of research there. Oh noes, it’s a vaccine! It must have a lot of teh mercury!

Oh, you’re just “tossing some ideas around.”

I used to think I was alone as a hater of comic sans

Nope, not just you.

Who’s gonna pay for this again?

Sorry, if that sounded misleading. I understand that that thimersol is being phased out and that gardasil doesn’t contain thimersol. I will investigate some of the articles you have all cited regarding the link…thanks:)

In any case, I was just using the mercury issue as an example, and a possible reason to install a precautionary principle to this type of stuff. Although at this point, we don’t really know if there are any reasons to be cautious because we don’t know the long term effects (as far as I know at least)

does anyone else think Karina Hill is adorable?

Down boy!

Well, I really don’t get her “celebrity impressions” thing. I don’t think that looks anything like me.

Not that I care.

Because I don’t.

Ha! Good one, bold one.

If you think $360 is steep, try the cost of cancer treatment on for size.

You could double the cost and vaccinate boys, but I don’t see much point if the rate of male cervical cancer is 0%, and their female partners are immune.

Bill Murray is going to pay for it because he’s rich and cares deeply about the well-being of young women.

An official with the Minnesota Health Department called the HPV vaccine effective, and says the department recommends health care providers give the vaccine to girls.

But the official says the department has not taken a position on requiring the vaccine, because of concerns about the cost, the vaccine’s availability and the expected financial burden on school districts.

Like the school districts would pony up for this??? Yeah right!

because of concerns about the cost, the vaccine’s availability and the expected financial burden on school districts.

Not to mention potential litigation costs. John Edwards is waiting in the wings.

Not to mention potential litigation costs. John Edwards is waiting in the wings.

And here it is — the first mindless Republican talking point in case Edwards gets the nomination for president. Thanks, Maz. Always nice to know the shit that’s going to be forced down our throats in just a few months.

whu …?! I was only making a point about ambulance chasers … his name was the first one to come to mind is all. What with his billion dollar home, he certainly has had his share of the bidness.

He was a personal injury lawyer, but I wouldn’t call him an ambulance chaser. Unless you think permanent brain damage as a result of an overprescription of Antabuse is something that requires no legal remedy.

For God’s sake.

I’m pretty sure God had nothing to do with it.

Everybody hates a successful PI Attorney until they need one (that’s what my old man says, anyhoo). The corporations & politicians make a stink just because they want to keep all of the ill gotten gains for themselves.

I don’t get it. Maz and bud are always defending someone’s right to get rich by any slimy means possible, and then suddenly John Edwards is a bad bad man because he made a lot of money and was successful. Which is it, guys? Is being successful and making good on the american dream ok or bad? Please, make up your fucking minds because you just look like huge retards when you have a double standard completely based on someone’s political leanings.

Seriously, wayne is crushing today …. Maz has been firing back pretty solidly all day, but he’s no match for wayne right now. If this were a boxing match, the ref would’ve called it in the 6th round and sent Maz back to his corner.

Tomorrow’s a new day, maybe Maz gets back off the schnide. (although I liked his “Diff’rent Strokes” reference earlier today, that was quality)…

wayne…what do you know about hypocrisy…you’re only on your 1st job.

Maz isn’t a hypocrite, guys. He just loves freedom, y’all!

Edwards also made money by blaming OB/GYNs for cerebral palsy of children they delivered. What wins cases isn’t always good science. To quote Edwards, “I have to tell you right now  I didn’t plan to talk about this  right now I feel her [Jennifer], I feel her presence…[Jennifer's] inside me and she’s talking to you.”

“First, we kill all the lawyers.” heh.

Henry must have been a Grammy judge too.

Logical thought always makes more sense than snide comments and ad hominem attacks.

Grammy bad…Dixie Chicks
Grammy good…Flaming Lips

Henry must have been a Grammy judge too.

»» Submitted by »»» mazasapa at 3:51 PM on February 13

case in point.

Most undeserved Grammy ever…”My Humps”

I bet Fergie peed herself when she heard that one.

That has been classified as the worst song ever by multiple sources.

Speaking of which, how underwhelming was that Police reunion? I was looking so forward to it, but it was pretty blah. They took their most exciting song and put us all to sleep with it.

Speaking of which, how underwhelming was that Police reunion? I was looking so forward to it, but it was pretty blah. They took their most exciting song and put us all to sleep with it.

Don’t get me wrong, I miss Joe Strummer, but after seeing the Po-lice (not that they are comparable to the Clash…just contemporaneous) I’m glad Strummer had the sense to never try to reunite them…would wrecked a hard won image.

So we all agree then: Henry’s judgment is flawed.

what’s up, Maza, you thought that Police performance was pretty hot or what?

I was never a big Police fan. They were before my time I guess (heh).

There’s logic! Maz compares Henry to the grammy judges, everyone says “boy, those grammys were terrible!” and then maz goes “everyone agrees that Henry has poor judgement!”

Boy the logic flows from your mind like a spring, maz. You should bottle and sell it.

Wayne, that was my impersonation of John Edwards arguing a case in court.

Backpeddling and another ad hominem attack on someone. Obviously John Edwards has no talent as a lawyer because he’s a liberal, nevermind all the money he made apparently being very successful at it. Right?

I’m also pretty curious to how many courtroom transcripts of cases Edwards was involved in that maz has read. I’m guessing it’s somewhere between zero and DNE, but he never let any sort of facts or logic get in the way of a dig on ‘them durn librals!’

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, I always say.

Well, I guess I have to give wayne credit for showing up at a battle of wits completely unarmed.

I like “My Humps” (in limited doses).

There. I said it.

Maz is just bitter that Big & Rich didn’t get a Grammy.

True, true.

Logical thought always makes more sense than snide comments and ad hominem attacks.

Maybe to a math nerd like you.

It’s amazing how maz can still think he’s somehow ‘won’ something after being made a fool of.

And kevin, if that’s a joke, it’s a pretty good one. If not, unintentional hilarity! Either way it made me laugh ( :

i guess i don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want this to pass. i mean, come on! do none of them have young daughers or neices that they can ultimately protect from cancer?? you’d have to be completely retarded to pass up something this important.

and as for the “it will give young girls the permission to have sex at a young age” argument is bullshit. people need to have more faith in the yound women of this country. aren’t the people opposed to this ‘mandate’ educated enough to know that you can get (some strains of) HPV even from protected sex? somehow i don’t think people/lawmakers know how very, very important this vaccine is for young women. i would have loved the chance to be vaccinated for HPV in my early 20s, but now that i’m in my 30s, it’s too late. i’m not at risk at this point in my life, but i’d like to be able to vaccinate my (potential) daughters (and sons, for sure) in the future.

And while we’re at it, let’s pass a bunch of other feel-good stuff without identifying ways to pay for it…

Yeah I feel really good about that war we can’t pay for.

Sorry, that war the asshole republicans in their 50s can’t (won’t have to) pay for, the cost of which will be passed on to my generation

Great, what a way to start off Valentine’s day: state legislatures at the capitol want to control your biological functions.

And you folks thought that the PATRIOT act was frighting enough, regarding civil liberties being taken away etc.

you don’t understand investing, Wayne. See, we are borrowing in order to invest in a stabilized Middle East in order to better the future of our nation. Sorry…I was trolling conservative boards last night and some of BS rhetoric seeped into my consciousness.

Hahahaha. I guess I just can’t understand because I’m only in my first job and never served in the military!

See, we are borrowing in order to invest in a stabilized Middle East in order to better the future of our nation.

Do you actually believe that this will lead to a more stablized Middle East?

On what sort of time line?

Do you think the US can solve a 2000 year old struggle by causing one country to start a civil war?

That’s a thick slice of irony, son.

That’s a hell of a bullshit anwser!

thank you?

I got the joke.

I need a vacation.

I’m on the verge of exploding!

This local photographer decided to “vacation” somewhere warm, though I don’t think that Fallujah is what you had in mind.

If I had the kind of money it takes to put a trip like that together I would. Sadly I don’t have connections and wads of cash to indulge in a little Fantasy Warrior Iraq trip.

“I’m also pretty curious to how many courtroom transcripts of cases Edwards was involved in that maz has read. I’m guessing it’s somewhere between zero and DNE, but he never let any sort of facts or logic get in the way of a dig on ‘them durn librals!’“

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I’ve read several of Edward’s whore docs’ testimony transcripts. I’ve read several treatises concerning the “CP by OB-guy” hoax. Have you? I’m guessing it’s between zero and . . . uh, zero, right?

Is JE a good lawyer? Yeah. Honest? Not at all. Was willing to pay lots of money to get dishonest people – people roundly condemned and loathed by real docs and real researchers – to say things that he and they KNEW were wrong – not just “not yet for certain”, but proveably wrong. For his 40%-50% share. At the expense of the careers of quite a few very good docs.

Effin’ whore. Now, defend him if you think you know jack about the subject.

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