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		<title>By: ak</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-75991</link>
		<dc:creator>ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Lori.  Couldn&#039;t have said it better myself.  I work full time, have two kids, but I depend on that food assistance every month to provide food for my kids.  I, too, use every coupon I can, if I can live without it, I don&#039;t buy it, I buy generic or whatever is on sale, and I make every penny stretch until it can&#039;t stretch any more.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I will say it is the people who abuse the program that give it a bad name for everyone else.  Some of us do hold down a job, sometimes two, sometimes both of them full time.  It&#039;s the people who have multiple children with multiple men (in excess of 3), refuse to work, cannot hold down a job, lack a high school education, and the people who &quot;work the system&quot; that give this program a bad name.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Lori.  Couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself.  I work full time, have two kids, but I depend on that food assistance every month to provide food for my kids.  I, too, use every coupon I can, if I can live without it, I don&#8217;t buy it, I buy generic or whatever is on sale, and I make every penny stretch until it can&#8217;t stretch any more.  </p>
<p>I will say it is the people who abuse the program that give it a bad name for everyone else.  Some of us do hold down a job, sometimes two, sometimes both of them full time.  It&#8217;s the people who have multiple children with multiple men (in excess of 3), refuse to work, cannot hold down a job, lack a high school education, and the people who &#8220;work the system&#8221; that give this program a bad name.</p>
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		<title>By: msparber</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-75472</link>
		<dc:creator>msparber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks you for that, Lori, because writing everything in caps and making open threats does not make you at all seem to be crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks you for that, Lori, because writing everything in caps and making open threats does not make you at all seem to be crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: ?</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-75469</link>
		<dc:creator>?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, is internet access free now?</description>
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		<title>By: Lori S, Roseville, MN</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-75467</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori S, Roseville, MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF &lt;strong&gt;EVERYONE&lt;/strong&gt;-&lt;strong&gt;ESPECIALLY&lt;/strong&gt; THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THIS POSTING-AND ALL YOU &lt;strong&gt;CRYBABIES &lt;/strong&gt;OUT THERE WHO ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT GUY IS DOING, SPENT MORE TIME TAKING YOUR &lt;strong&gt;OWN &lt;/strong&gt;INVENTORIES AND TRYING TO BETTER YOURSELVES INSTEAD OF TAKING OTHER PEOPLE&#039;S INVENTORIES AND PASSING JUDGEMENT - THE WORLD WOULD BE A HE** OF A BETTER PLACE !!  LAST TIME I CHECKED THERE WAS ONLY &lt;strong&gt;ONE &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;JUDGE &lt;/strong&gt;AND YOU &lt;strong&gt;KNOW &lt;/strong&gt;WHO I MEAN.&lt;br /&gt;
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AS AN UNEMPLOYED PERSON, WHO IS USED TO BRINGING HOME AT LEAST 40,000/YR AND IS NOW DEPENDENT ON HITTING A FOOD SHELF TO PUT TOGETHER MEALS-AND YES I COOK FROM SCRATCH AND ALWAYS HAVE-THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH 5 CANS OF PUMPKIN PIE FILLING, 3 CANS OF CRANBERRY SAUCE, AND DRIED BEANS, NO MEAT MIND YOU-YES THAT IS WHAT MOST MORONS BUY TO DONATE, LIKE THE POOR AND HOMELESS SIT AROUND TRYING TO GLEAN SOME SUSTINANCE FROM EATING PIE FILLING ALL DAY. I RESENT THE HE** OUT OF SOME OF THESE COMMENTS.  IT &lt;strong&gt;IS &lt;/strong&gt;ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO BUY MAC AND CHEESE AND 10-PKS OF FROZEN BURRITOS TO STRETCH A DOLLAR AND BELIEVE ME, I HAVE ALWAYS UNIT PRICED, USED EVERY COUPON I COULD GET MY HANDS ON EVEN WHEN I &lt;strong&gt;AM &lt;/strong&gt;WORKING TO STRECH A DOLLAR AS I HAVE &lt;strong&gt;ALWAYS &lt;/strong&gt;BEEN BUDGET MINDED.&lt;br /&gt;
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ALSO, IF I &lt;strong&gt;EVER &lt;/strong&gt;RUN INTO &lt;strong&gt;ANOTHER &lt;/strong&gt;PERSON ON THE STREET THAT CALLS A HOMELESS PERSON AN &quot;ALCOHOLIC BUM&quot; I WILL &lt;strong&gt;PERSONALLY &lt;/strong&gt;KICK THEIR A** ON THE SPOT.  &lt;strong&gt;HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU ORIGINAL POSTER??&lt;/strong&gt;  YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY GOT IN THAT SITUATION, HOW DESPERATE THEY FEEL ALL OF THE TIME, FRANKLY, I DON&#039;T &lt;strong&gt;BLAME &lt;/strong&gt;THEM FOR WANTING TO TRY TO FORGET THE NIGHTMARE THEY ARE LIVING, &lt;strong&gt;I&#039;D WANT A DRINK TOO!&lt;/strong&gt;  PERSONALLY, I HAVE MET MORE &lt;strong&gt;WEALTHY &lt;/strong&gt;&quot;ALCOHOLIC BUMS&quot; THAN I HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE STREET OR IN SHELTERS.  FRANKLY, I THINK I MAY JUST START FERVENTLY PRAYING THAT &lt;strong&gt;YOU, ORIGINAL POSTER &lt;/strong&gt;FIND YOURSELF IN A POSITION OF HAVING 3 MAJOR DEVASTATIONS IN YOUR LIFE THAT CAUSE YOU TO BECOME HOMELESS.  THEN WE&#039;LL SEE JUST HOW &lt;strong&gt;YOU &lt;/strong&gt;HANDLE &lt;strong&gt;YOUR FOOD STAMPS &lt;/strong&gt;AND IF &lt;strong&gt;YOU &lt;/strong&gt;FEEL A NEED TO TAKE A DRINK AFTER YOU HAVE HAD TO SPEND A FEW NIGHTS OUT ON THESE STREETS!!  &lt;strong&gt;DO NOT KID YOURSELF!!!&lt;/strong&gt;  IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT THEIR FINANCIAL STATUS AND RIGHT NOW I CAN&#039;T THINK OF A BETTER PERSON FOR IT TO HAPPEN TO!!!!!!!!!!!  WHY DON&#039;T YOU CLIMB DOWN OFF OF YOUR PEDESTAL AND JOIN THE REAL F***ING WORLD-YOU HIGH AND MIGHTY JERK!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF <strong>EVERYONE</strong>-<strong>ESPECIALLY</strong> THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THIS POSTING-AND ALL YOU <strong>CRYBABIES </strong>OUT THERE WHO ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT GUY IS DOING, SPENT MORE TIME TAKING YOUR <strong>OWN </strong>INVENTORIES AND TRYING TO BETTER YOURSELVES INSTEAD OF TAKING OTHER PEOPLE&#8217;S INVENTORIES AND PASSING JUDGEMENT &#8211; THE WORLD WOULD BE A HE** OF A BETTER PLACE !!  LAST TIME I CHECKED THERE WAS ONLY <strong>ONE </strong><strong>JUDGE </strong>AND YOU <strong>KNOW </strong>WHO I MEAN.</p>
<p>AS AN UNEMPLOYED PERSON, WHO IS USED TO BRINGING HOME AT LEAST 40,000/YR AND IS NOW DEPENDENT ON HITTING A FOOD SHELF TO PUT TOGETHER MEALS-AND YES I COOK FROM SCRATCH AND ALWAYS HAVE-THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH 5 CANS OF PUMPKIN PIE FILLING, 3 CANS OF CRANBERRY SAUCE, AND DRIED BEANS, NO MEAT MIND YOU-YES THAT IS WHAT MOST MORONS BUY TO DONATE, LIKE THE POOR AND HOMELESS SIT AROUND TRYING TO GLEAN SOME SUSTINANCE FROM EATING PIE FILLING ALL DAY. I RESENT THE HE** OUT OF SOME OF THESE COMMENTS.  IT <strong>IS </strong>ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO BUY MAC AND CHEESE AND 10-PKS OF FROZEN BURRITOS TO STRETCH A DOLLAR AND BELIEVE ME, I HAVE ALWAYS UNIT PRICED, USED EVERY COUPON I COULD GET MY HANDS ON EVEN WHEN I <strong>AM </strong>WORKING TO STRECH A DOLLAR AS I HAVE <strong>ALWAYS </strong>BEEN BUDGET MINDED.</p>
<p>ALSO, IF I <strong>EVER </strong>RUN INTO <strong>ANOTHER </strong>PERSON ON THE STREET THAT CALLS A HOMELESS PERSON AN &#8220;ALCOHOLIC BUM&#8221; I WILL <strong>PERSONALLY </strong>KICK THEIR A** ON THE SPOT.  <strong>HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU ORIGINAL POSTER??</strong>  YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY GOT IN THAT SITUATION, HOW DESPERATE THEY FEEL ALL OF THE TIME, FRANKLY, I DON&#8217;T <strong>BLAME </strong>THEM FOR WANTING TO TRY TO FORGET THE NIGHTMARE THEY ARE LIVING, <strong>I&#8217;D WANT A DRINK TOO!</strong>  PERSONALLY, I HAVE MET MORE <strong>WEALTHY </strong>&#8220;ALCOHOLIC BUMS&#8221; THAN I HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE STREET OR IN SHELTERS.  FRANKLY, I THINK I MAY JUST START FERVENTLY PRAYING THAT <strong>YOU, ORIGINAL POSTER </strong>FIND YOURSELF IN A POSITION OF HAVING 3 MAJOR DEVASTATIONS IN YOUR LIFE THAT CAUSE YOU TO BECOME HOMELESS.  THEN WE&#8217;LL SEE JUST HOW <strong>YOU </strong>HANDLE <strong>YOUR FOOD STAMPS </strong>AND IF <strong>YOU </strong>FEEL A NEED TO TAKE A DRINK AFTER YOU HAVE HAD TO SPEND A FEW NIGHTS OUT ON THESE STREETS!!  <strong>DO NOT KID YOURSELF!!!</strong>  IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT THEIR FINANCIAL STATUS AND RIGHT NOW I CAN&#8217;T THINK OF A BETTER PERSON FOR IT TO HAPPEN TO!!!!!!!!!!!  WHY DON&#8217;T YOU CLIMB DOWN OFF OF YOUR PEDESTAL AND JOIN THE REAL F***ING WORLD-YOU HIGH AND MIGHTY JERK!</p>
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		<title>By: ranty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-68842</link>
		<dc:creator>ranty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FFS.&lt;br /&gt;
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I give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFS.</p>
<p>I give up.</p>
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		<title>By: MNLefty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-68828</link>
		<dc:creator>MNLefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...my husband and I both work 2 jobs each to support 2 kids at the University of Minnesota because we don&#039;t qualify for financial aid.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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You conservatives still don&#039;t get it.  Instead of working &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt;, you should work &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt;.  Then you&#039;ll get financial aid.  When my wife went back to school a few years back, I looked at all the things that would change for the better financially if I worked less.  With less Income Tax, the Earned Income Credit and MN Working Family Credit, and Financial Aid, we came out only very slightly worse off than if I&#039;d continued working full-time.  Why work your ass off for what you can get for nothing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;my husband and I both work 2 jobs each to support 2 kids at the University of Minnesota because we don&#8217;t qualify for financial aid.</em></p>
<p>You conservatives still don&#8217;t get it.  Instead of working <em>more</em>, you should work <em>less</em>.  Then you&#8217;ll get financial aid.  When my wife went back to school a few years back, I looked at all the things that would change for the better financially if I worked less.  With less Income Tax, the Earned Income Credit and MN Working Family Credit, and Financial Aid, we came out only very slightly worse off than if I&#8217;d continued working full-time.  Why work your ass off for what you can get for nothing?</p>
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		<title>By: ranty</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-68825</link>
		<dc:creator>ranty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It is very annoying to be in a supermarket line with nonEnglish speaking people using EBT with several kids while my husband and I both work 2 jobs each to support 2 kids at the University of Minnesota because we don&#039;t qualify for financial aid.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Gotta love jealousy-based xenophobia!&lt;br /&gt;
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WTF does the family&#039;s language have to do with whether they deserve EBT relative to you?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what does it matter how many kids they have?  &lt;br /&gt;
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And what do you really know about that family anyway?  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It is very annoying to be in a supermarket line with nonEnglish speaking people using EBT with several kids while my husband and I both work 2 jobs each to support 2 kids at the University of Minnesota because we don&#8217;t qualify for financial aid.</em></p>
<p>Gotta love jealousy-based xenophobia!</p>
<p>WTF does the family&#8217;s language have to do with whether they deserve EBT relative to you?</p>
<p>And what does it matter how many kids they have?  </p>
<p>And what do you really know about that family anyway?  </p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-68823</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very annoying to be in a supermarket line with nonEnglish speaking people using EBT with several kids while my husband and I both work 2 jobs each to support 2 kids at the University of Minnesota because we don&#039;t qualify for financial aid. We drive a 1997 truck and a 1994 car and have lived in the same 3 bedroom rambler for 27 years, but at least we know the value of working hard and supporting our own. Northwest Airlines is always hiring at $9.00 an hour-instead of mooching off the government payroll get yourself a job or 2.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very annoying to be in a supermarket line with nonEnglish speaking people using EBT with several kids while my husband and I both work 2 jobs each to support 2 kids at the University of Minnesota because we don&#8217;t qualify for financial aid. We drive a 1997 truck and a 1994 car and have lived in the same 3 bedroom rambler for 27 years, but at least we know the value of working hard and supporting our own. Northwest Airlines is always hiring at $9.00 an hour-instead of mooching off the government payroll get yourself a job or 2.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby_b</title>
		<link>http://www.secretsofthecity.com/mnspeak/10073#comment-67920</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put all those workers together in a large building.  Give them desks, computers, phones, whatever.  Walk away.  See how much value they generate.  Probably none, because they need ideas and leadership and structure.  Biomass with free time makes no money by itself.&lt;br /&gt;
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A good CEO is the leader of the company, the person charged with constantly reviewing where the company is and where it&#039;s going, directing it toward better paths, setting the right tone and atmosphere and imposing expectations and discipline, deciding what the company can do and should do.  You can see, in profitability terms, how companies with good CEO&#039;s do compared to those without.  As obscene as those pay rates look, in $/hour terms, the good ones are good investments.  McGuire&#039;s compensation looks obscene, until you compare it to the profits the company made that are directly attributable to the decisions he made and the leadership he provided.  (Of course, people can make dumb hiring-the-CEO decisions, too.  Please don&#039;t respond with something like &quot;but, look at Enron . . . !&quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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A billion dollars on pallets?  (Sorry, could you type louder?  I can&#039;t hear you over that straw man mumbling in the corner next to you.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agree about staving off revolution.  But a valid need to provide some safety net is hardly justification for maintaining a permanent underclass through entitlement bribery, and when we&#039;re speaking of an underclass whose main symptom is obesity, I think we&#039;re way past the &quot;We must take up arms to feed our children&quot; stage.  (No real worker&#039;s revolution can be founded on &quot;more diet programs for our kids!&quot;)  Yeah, some level of support keeps the social order.  But there&#039;s also a level that discourages self-improvement, that makes any struggle to achieve something better appear to be simply a sucker&#039;s bet, and I think we&#039;re far closer to that point than we are to revolution. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put all those workers together in a large building.  Give them desks, computers, phones, whatever.  Walk away.  See how much value they generate.  Probably none, because they need ideas and leadership and structure.  Biomass with free time makes no money by itself.</p>
<p>A good CEO is the leader of the company, the person charged with constantly reviewing where the company is and where it&#8217;s going, directing it toward better paths, setting the right tone and atmosphere and imposing expectations and discipline, deciding what the company can do and should do.  You can see, in profitability terms, how companies with good CEO&#8217;s do compared to those without.  As obscene as those pay rates look, in $/hour terms, the good ones are good investments.  McGuire&#8217;s compensation looks obscene, until you compare it to the profits the company made that are directly attributable to the decisions he made and the leadership he provided.  (Of course, people can make dumb hiring-the-CEO decisions, too.  Please don&#8217;t respond with something like &#8220;but, look at Enron . . . !&#8221;)</p>
<p>A billion dollars on pallets?  (Sorry, could you type louder?  I can&#8217;t hear you over that straw man mumbling in the corner next to you.)</p>
<p>Agree about staving off revolution.  But a valid need to provide some safety net is hardly justification for maintaining a permanent underclass through entitlement bribery, and when we&#8217;re speaking of an underclass whose main symptom is obesity, I think we&#8217;re way past the &#8220;We must take up arms to feed our children&#8221; stage.  (No real worker&#8217;s revolution can be founded on &#8220;more diet programs for our kids!&#8221;)  Yeah, some level of support keeps the social order.  But there&#8217;s also a level that discourages self-improvement, that makes any struggle to achieve something better appear to be simply a sucker&#8217;s bet, and I think we&#8217;re far closer to that point than we are to revolution. </p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what exactly do CEOs do that results in their million dollar compensation? I&#039;m pretty sure most of that money is produced by their workers and not any direct work the CEO does. But then, who takes it all home at the end of the day?&lt;br /&gt;
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If you think the war in Iraq was such a great idea and whizz-bang success and money well spent, how do you feel about the 8 BILLION dollars on fucking pallets that mysteriously &#039;vanished&#039; after being sent to Iraq? Is that money well spent? Cost of doing business? Oh, wait, that&#039;s the goverment&#039;s money, right?&lt;br /&gt;
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And furthermore, please desist with the run-on sentences. That&#039;s painful to parse, man.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really want to see some &quot;class warfare,&quot; you should see what would happen if you cut support to all those social welfare programs you hate so much. There&#039;s a lot of resentment under the surface, but television and food in the belly keeps most people from doing anything about it. Take those away and good luck keeping any sort of social order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what exactly do CEOs do that results in their million dollar compensation? I&#8217;m pretty sure most of that money is produced by their workers and not any direct work the CEO does. But then, who takes it all home at the end of the day?</p>
<p>If you think the war in Iraq was such a great idea and whizz-bang success and money well spent, how do you feel about the 8 BILLION dollars on fucking pallets that mysteriously &#8216;vanished&#8217; after being sent to Iraq? Is that money well spent? Cost of doing business? Oh, wait, that&#8217;s the goverment&#8217;s money, right?</p>
<p>And furthermore, please desist with the run-on sentences. That&#8217;s painful to parse, man.</p>
<p>If you really want to see some &#8220;class warfare,&#8221; you should see what would happen if you cut support to all those social welfare programs you hate so much. There&#8217;s a lot of resentment under the surface, but television and food in the belly keeps most people from doing anything about it. Take those away and good luck keeping any sort of social order.</p>
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