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Ashwin Madia – the Man, the Myth, the One Democrat Who Won’t Call Michelle Bachmann Bat-Shit Crazy

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If the ongoing national embarrassment that is the Democratic primary hasn't yet caused you to gouge out your eyes with a rusty spork, you may have noticed that the local political campaign season is in full swing. And because this year's campaigns are already shaping up to be nearly as contentious as the debate over whether the spawn of Billy Ray is just penance for the Western World's sins, or if her popularity is simply a sign of the end times, The Defenestrator has been tasked with ferreting out the secrets of this year's crop of candidates for local and national office.

Why have we been saddled with this thankless task? Because the staff of The Rake wants nothing but the best for its readers, except Ann Bauer, of course. That lush wants nothing more than to get you loaded and avail herself of your firm and nubile body. But in these times of rapid-fire political rhetoric and skyrocketing consumer prices, knowing is half the battle. Yo, Joe!

In any case, the first in our series of candidate interviews takes us to scenic Congressional District 3, encompassing most of the Twin Cities' western suburbs. Ashwin Madia recently took home the DFL endorsement in the race to replace longtime GOP stalwart, Jim Ramstad, in the House of Representatives. Madia, having never held office anywhere but in the University of Minnesota's Minnesota Student Association - where once upon a time Homer Simpson managed to make a serious run at the presidency, was not expected to make a strong showing, let alone beat the presumptive nominee, Teri Bonoff.

But he did beat her. He beat her like a bad bad donkey, in fact. And now he's all but certain to move on to the general election against GOP candidate Erik Paulsen. We caught Madia in the midst of a fundraising frenzy just after the nominating convention and he was gracious enough to to give us an interview, a few talking points, and at least a little insight into why anyone might want to vote for someone insane enough to put a lucrative law practice on hold after returning from a war zone so he can take a shot at gaining membership to the DMZ otherwise known as the United States House of Representatives.

Defenestrator: So, how's the fundraising coming?

Madia: We set a state record for an unknown candidate. We raised 161k in two months last year. In Q1 of this year we raised 196k. To be able to raise that kind of money, it shows that we've got a good message. It's resonating.

D: What made you decide to run for U.S. Congress, rather than trying for the state legislature or other local office first?

M: Because I care about these issues, the Iraq War - I want to find a way to end it. I care about global warming. I care about civil liberties. Those are federal issues. Some people think there's a path you have to take, city council, local government. We've all got something to contribute. I don't think you have to be a politician already to contribute to our discussion. We all have a voice in this.

I thought this was an opportunity to serve our community and instead of complaining all the time about where our country was going, I figured it would be more productive for me to step forward and actually try to do something about it.

D: When did you get the idea? Did Iraq drive you so insane that you had to come up with ways to torment yourself when you got back home?

M: I pretty much started to think about it when Jim Ramstaad retired. I wasn't really thinking about it in Iraq.

D: Apart from scamming on babes in burqas, what were you doing in Iraq?

M: I was creating a strategic system to establish rule of law in Iraq. It involved coordinating with the State Department, Justice Department, UN, European Union and Iraqi judges to develop a strategic plan to establish rule of law in Iraq. It was a lot of phone calls, a lot of meetings, a lot of supervision. A lot of meetings with different interest groups and brokering compromises to come up with plans everyone could agree on.

For example, I went down to meet with the British in Basra and the British foreign service to find out what plans and strategies they were implementing to strengthen the Iraqi legal system and take that back to Baghdad to fit that in strategically with what we were trying to do throughout the county. We would get assessments of the status of rule of law programs around the country and go brief the generals that were leading the multinational forces on what was going on and the way ahead.

D: Why'd you join the Marines?

M: It was a good way to serve and I really wanted a challenge. Whether you're a grunt or a pilot, you do the same training and I wanted to see if I could do it. I really enjoyed the challenge.

D: The DFL tried to position you as a former Republican intent on undermining the party from within by encouraging SUV use and alienating the party's base from the wisdom of Al Gore. Republicans are trying to position you as a hedonistic Communist, bent on legalizing drugs and using tax dollars to help Eliot Spitzer open a brothel. Who's right?

M: I don't think either one of them is right. What I am is an independent voice for MN. It's true that most of my principles line up on the democratic side now. But 10 years ago Republicans wanted to amend the constitution to balance the budget. They obviously don't now. I think the labels have gotten so mixed up that I prefer to go issue by issue and say where I stand. In the end I'm a fiscally responsible and socially moderate democrat.

D: So why not go the same direction but stay Republican?

M: I don't know. It seems like a lot of that party has adopted the philosophy of spending all that they want, cutting taxes at the same time and borrowing from China to make up the difference.

D: You mean you don't want to give the Chinese the opportunity to finally take their revenge on the white man for hooking them on Opium?

M: No comment on that one.

D: Coming out of a particularly vicious cat fight with the wily, but oh so short Terri Bonoff, How do you feel about parties having presumptive nominees? What's it mean for the political process?

M: Terri was a fantastic candidate. She ran a very spirited, very classy race and I've got a lot of respect for her. I think what this election shows is that even today if you've got a strong message, you can trump money and endorsements and name recognition and all the other things politicians use to win elections.

D: Do you see this as a sea change?

M: I think this is an election where people are much more willing to consider candidates who are from outside the political mainstream and just love our country. They're willing to consider values and authenticity over traditional political experience.

D: What do you think has changed to allow that? Why are people looking for that change?

M: Because the country is in the shape that it is. Because they think the country is on the wrong track and they want someone who's going to get it back on track and in the right shape again.

D: People seem to think the country might function better if Washington nuked itself and became a post-apocalyptic wasteland populated only by the mutant spawn of Newt Gingrich and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Any thoughts on how you'll change that perception?

M: In my mind, good policy is good politics. What that means is that Washington needs to start delivering. We need to end the Iraq War. We need to balance the budget and we need to get our economy back on track. We need to address global warming. If we start delivering on actual results for the American people, then I think they'll start to have more faith in government.

D: How do you think you can make that change? And don't give me any of that one man can make a difference crap. I mean, sure, Keanu Reeves was kinda cool as "The One" in the first Matrix movie, but the only thing worth watching in the sequels was Monica Belucci.

M: By working my tail off. I think there are a lot of people throughout the country who feel the same way I do - That we need a new kind of leadership in Washington. I think, and I hope, that we'll see a new kind of politics in the coming years.

D: Iraq - get the hell out? Stay the course? And now for something completely different?

M: I think we've created a very tough situation over there. It's hard to leave and it's hard to stay. So what I favor is a gradual withdrawal. Phased out over about two years. With a limited number of forces left behind to protect our diplomatic presence, to target high ranking members of Al-Qaeda and to prevent genocide if we start to see it on massive levels.

D: How would that withdrawal occur? Benchmarks? A phased drawdown?

M: A phased drawdown over about two years, with a force left in Iraq to protect our diplomatic interests, target high ranking members of Al Queda, and prevent genocide in conjunction with other nations. Ultimately, it's up to the Iraqis to reach a political solution. We can play a role in helping with security in the interim, but a lasting peace has to be an Iraqi peace.

D: And what happens if Muqtada Al-Sadr takes over Basra and, being too impatient to wait for the afterlife, holds nightly 72 virgin parties in the streets with the Iraqi army powerless to stop him?

M: Hopefully, by drawing down gradually, and by leaving some forces in Iraq for the missions discussed above, we can decrease the possibility of chaos in Iraq. But ultimately, it's true that Iraqis themselves hold the power for their own destinies.

D: Apart from the ability to kill a man 6 different ways, courtesy of the USMC, what are you bringing to CD3?

M: I'm fiscally disciplined, socially tolerant, independent-minded Democrat. I am a Democrat, but my biggest focus is on finding answers to the big challenges facing our country, not party affiliation. I think that makes me similar to most voters in the 3rd District.

D: Most people think politics is about nothing more than money. Now that you're in full-on fundraising mode, what do you say to that?

M: There are many good, honest, and decent people who are kept out of public service because of money. When I got into this race last October, I made a commitment that I wouldn't be one of them. So my team and I have worked very hard to raise what we need to get our message out. Having said that, real campaign finance reform is long overdue because the fundraising demands on candidates are really out of control.

D: How would you contrast yourself with Erik Paulsen?

M: I'm an independent-minded and pragmatic problem-solver who is more committed to getting our great nation back on track than advancing a political ideology. I come from outside the political system and I'm not an insider - I think that will be an asset as I seek to bring real change to Washington.

D: If anything, the state legislature has become even more contentious than the Federal, with DFLer and GOP alike focused more on sticking it to the other party than on conducting business in the people's interest. Do you think this is how politics is trending? Or are we just stupid enough to elect a room full of assholes?

M: No, I think politics will start trending in the reverse direction. People are so hungry for something different and a new kind of politics that they've been reaching outside of traditional areas to find new kinds of leaders, who lead based on ideas, not insults. It's true that sometimes politics gets out of control in terms of the nastiness involved, but I think those are the exceptions, and for the most part, people are voting for good leaders committed to change.

D: How do you feel about party unity? Does being a member of a political party give you a responsibility to that party, or are you ultimately responsible elsewhere, as Ron Erhardt has mentioned on numerous occasions after he was buggered by his own party.

M: Party unity is important and as Democrats we've been at our best throughout history when we've come together to tackle the big challenges facing our country- leading our nation through the Great Depression and fighting to bring long overdue civil rights for all to our nation, for instance. But at the end of the day, I think a legislator's biggest responsibility is to his or her constituents, not a political party.

D: You've mentioned George Bush is the reason you switched parties in 2003. But I've seen chimps on Discovery Channel do a better job of portraying conservative values than him. What makes you a Democrat? Why not a Libertarian, apart from that whole actually "wanting to win" thing?

M: I'm more concerned about getting things done for our country than what label people put on me. I want to responsibly end the Iraq War, balance our budget, address global warming, make health care more accessible and affordable, and stand up for civil liberties in our country. I want government to work efficiently and effectively, without taking a dime more in taxes than it needs while still ensuring the Federal government runs properly, and I also don't think government has a role in pushing its social values on citizens. It's my belief that my values and positions are shared by more Democrats than Republicans, though if there are Republicans out there who believe in some of the same things, then I want to work with them to get good bipartisan legislation on each of these topics.

D: What about the pending Senate race? Franken vs. Coleman -- other than the fact that this race feels like it should be run in New York, what's your take on what's shaping up to be a particularly vicious contest?

M: I think Al is a great candidate, as is the other candidate running for the Democratic endorsement, Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer. Either one will make for an exceptional US Senator.

D: Before you started running for office, you know - back when you had a life, what'd you do with your spare time? Defending our fair city from the undead predations of Cindy Brucato, perhaps?

M: You're right that when you're running for office, you really don't have time for too much else - it takes over your life. Before I got into this, I liked playing pick up basketball, watching old movies, and going out for dinner with good friends - typical stuff. My friends stopped taking my calls a few months ago (I think they think I'm calling to ask them for contributions), so I'm looking forward to spending some time with them after the campaign.

D: Michele Bachmann - direct connection to God or just bat-shit crazy?

M: Now, now - be nice. I disagree with a lot of what she stands for, and I think she's out of step with most Minnesotans on a variety of issues. I think she's in for a tough reelection race.

19 Reader Comments

Anonymous (not verified)09:00am
Apr 24
Check out the way his hand bends backwards. That can't be a good sign.
Rich Goldsmith09:31am
Apr 24
If, for example, a hot double jointed gymnast ran for office and was notable for her ability to contort herself in a variety of ways, I'm sure many Minnesotans would support her candidacy. So why should there be a double standard in this case?
Anonymous (not verified)10:34am
Apr 24
I'm just not seeing the hotness, though. It makes for a different scenario.
Rich Goldsmith11:07am
Apr 24
I don't know. Flexibility in any form is kind of a rare commodity these days.
Anonymous (not verified)11:40am
Apr 24
Thanks. Now I can't help wondering what he can do with those hands.
Rich Goldsmith03:06pm
Apr 24
I think you should submit that to WCCO's Good Question segment.
Anonymous (not verified)10:29pm
Apr 27
Rich, you are so painfully naive, I can hardly stand the whine my 'puter makes when I pop up your screen. Go cruise 5th Avenue. Stop at every corner, where there are Madia-like characters with cardboard boxes and three face down playing cards on each, just waiting for shlemiels like you to come along and satisfy their needs. You say he gave up a "lucrative law practice", blithely ignoring the fact he wasn't even offered a leave of absence, as is general practice for attorneys running for office, by his employer at the time, Ciresi's law firm. Prolly a "lucrative law practice" wasn't an option. You let him get away with a variety of disingenuous crap, demonstrating sycophancy as your primary asset as a reporter. Example, "Q: Why'd you join the Marines?. A: It was a good way to serve and I really wanted a challenge." Real answer: Madia joined the Marines because they paid for law school. Example, "Q: So why not go the same direction but stay Republican?. A: I don't know." Real answer: Ten years ago, Republicans ran everything. Today, Democrats are clawing back power. If you're a narcissistic, sociopathological, completely unprincipled climber like Madia, you go whichever way The Power is flowing. Whassa matter, you missed the Norm Coleman Experiment? Example, "Q: Why not a Libertarian...?. A: I'm more concerned about getting things done for our country than what label people put on me." Real answer: He lied when you asked him this the first time, and you sucked it up. Why d'ya think he'd tell the truth on the second try? Example, "A: They're willing to consider values and authenticity over traditional political experience'." Real answer: It doesn't matter the question. Anybody willing to print this answer to any question needs the word "SUCKUP" branded in large red letters on his forehead. Example, Q: "...back when you had a life, what'd you do with your spare time? A: My friends stopped taking my calls a few months ago..." Real answer: He has no friends, cuz they've figured him out. Check out his contributor lists. No Marines! Get the picture?
Cristina Cordova12:18pm
Apr 28
Hey, Anon, you want to blog for us?
Anonymous (not verified)12:59pm
Apr 28
only if you compensate me with fine Corinthian leather artifacts
Cristina Cordova04:51pm
Apr 28
Well, I don't know how fine it will be, but surely I can find you some leather. How about starting with our Guest blog, Just Passing Through?
Rich Goldsmith05:22pm
Apr 28
I clapped my hands with girlish glee when I saw that I've finally managed to attract a troll to my blog. No one can truly call themselves a successful blogger, regardless of creed or topic, without having a troll.

But, since trolls tend to go away if left alone, leaving me to go through all the effort of attracting a new one, I'll bite.

I'm not sure what you've got against Madia, but not only do you fail to do anything but parrot a passel of GOP attack lines, but you ultimately fail at bringing up any points that concern me in any substantive way. Now, to this I say "bravo," since GOP trolls tend to be much more entertainingly irrational while DFLers lean toward the whiny side of the spectrum. I truly take comfort in the fact that not only did I get an honest to goodness frothing at the mouth ranter, but it makes my heart quiver when I see that the most salient arguments you have to offer are "he's lying" or "no one likes him."

Now, it would worry me had you brought evidence to that effect to the table. Had you been able to cite recordings of him chuckling at those naive DFL twits who've been suckered by this "narcisissistic, sociopathological, completely unprincipled climber," or perhaps a colleague who might offer up information on just how painfully inept Madia was as a lawyer, I might have cause for concern. Instead, you've offered me hope for the future of this blog, and even The Rake. For if we can attract a troll such as yourself, there is no limit to what we can accomplish.

Anonymous (not verified)12:26pm
May 9
Rich, you're the one impersonating a journalist here, not me. I provided grist; the DD is yours. You could start with his voting record, like: "He says he voted for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004." http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2008/04/madias_misstate.shtml?rsssource=1 btw, so how did Madia get you to swap out that pic with the mysterious metacarpals for the much more manly Madia mocks Michael Dukakis makeover now showing? No more hotness?
Oak Borer (not verified)10:58pm
Jun 29
Ignoring Anonymous' other snarks as they are not within my expertise, I can assure you that the Marines most definitely did not pay for Madia's law school. The Marines will pay for law school, but only if you are already an officer on active duty, captain or below, and apply for the Funded Legal Education Program (FLEP, turning the recipient into a FLEPper). In exchange, the FLEPper owes six (6) years on active duty after passing the bar and graduating from Naval Justice School (10 weeks). Madia went to law school before going on active duty, though I do not know when he went through Officer Candidate School, so that may have been before or during law school. The Marines may provide some funding, around $5000/year towards school, but at the cost of additional active duty time. Normal service requirement for a Marine judge advocate (fancy military name for 'lawyer') is 3.5 years. If Madia graduated in 2002, per his myspace page, and left the Marines in 2006, per his campaign website, he served only the required 3.5 years and so must not have accepted that money. There is a bonus program for remaining on active duty after the required 3.5 years: $10,000/year for up to three (3) years. Obviously, he passed on that, also. In sum: Madia joined the Marines, did the required training, served as a deputy staff judge advocate (like corporate counsel, but military), a defense counsel, a prosecutor, did one tour in Iraq on the 'nation building' team, then got out.
Anonymous24 (not verified)06:49pm
Sep 20
You're an ass.
Fridley Fred (not verified)03:35pm
Apr 24
Feels like the author should be jumping in with a "full disclosure" comment about Middlebrook Hall... or is that too personal? Pretty funny stuff, though this reads a bit like one of those Onion advice pieces where the questions and answers don't exactly match (ie, "Ask a Navy SEAL").
Rich Goldsmith03:56pm
Apr 24
True. I did spend a year in the dorms with Mr. Madia. However, I don't think any bias was evident. If there was, I blame the Jameson. As for the answers -- I had hoped I might get some snark out of Ashwin, but I think it was too much to hope for pre-election.
Fridley Fred's sista (not verified)04:26pm
Apr 24
Did you reference Muppets From Space on purpose? If so, I'm ridiculously impressed.
Rich Goldsmith05:14pm
Apr 24
Without a doubt. Pepe is my guardo camino.
Anonymous (not verified)08:57am
May 14
batshit is good stuff. it is really funny.

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